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rednev said:
Isn't the point of the reference the complete opposite of what is being implied in that Tweet?

I.e. they are not digging dirt for the purpose of making a right wing point against Muslims/immigrants failing to integrate, but to highlight how a this particular member of Leeds' Muslim population has done a good job of integrating?

It's a weird point to make, but if we are going to ridicule the Daily Mail, we should at least do it honestly. If you read the actual article without looking at which paper it is in you would surely be more inclined to think it was written by a liberal trying to make a cliched/cringy pro-multiculturalism argument than a middle-Englander at the Daily Mail.
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This is the same paper that a few days ago suggested people bring their own plastic bags to shops as a feck you to get around a 5p levy...

Something tells me you might be giving them too much credit.
 
So...the Mail's consolation for hard-working, tax-paying middle class people who didn't win the Bake-Off is "Oh well...at least she's not a terrorist*."


*Yet.
 
rednev said:
Isn't the point of the reference the complete opposite of what is being implied in that Tweet?

I.e. they are not digging dirt for the purpose of making a right wing point against Muslims/immigrants failing to integrate, but to highlight how a this particular member of Leeds' Muslim population has done a good job of integrating?

It's a weird point to make, but if we are going to ridicule the Daily Mail, we should at least do it honestly. If you read the actual article without looking at which paper it is in you would surely be more inclined to think it was written by a liberal trying to make a cliched/cringy pro-multiculturalism argument than a middle-Englander at the Daily Mail.
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Bang on. Here's the actual article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3265811/Nadiya-race-relations-UK-politician.html

Written by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. People prefer to get irate rather than checking sources, though.
 
The article - classic "despite the provocative rubbish we routinely publish, here's a curveball to (hopefully) disarm & bewilder our critics" Mail tactics - more or less says that people who reside in this country should be obliged to become just like 'us'; this is problematic, I feel. Nadiya being somehow posited as the acceptable face of Islam is an insult to both her and her faith, and the frankly bizarre mention of the 7/7 attacks only reverses the supposed message of the piece: that Nadiya is an exception to a grossly unfair and wrongfully assumed 'rule'.
 
SteveJ said:
The article - classic "despite the provocative rubbish we routinely publish, here's a curveball to (hopefully) disarm & bewilder our critics" Mail tactics - more or less says that people who reside in this country should be obliged to become just like 'us'; this is problematic, I feel. Nadiya being somehow posited as the acceptable face of Islam is an insult to both her and her faith, and the frankly bizarre mention of the 7/7 attacks only reverses the supposed message of the piece: that Nadiya is an exception to a grossly unfair and wrongfully assumed 'rule'.
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Pretty much.
 
SteveJ said:
The article - classic "despite the provocative rubbish we routinely publish, here's a curveball to (hopefully) disarm & bewilder our critics" Mail tactics - more or less says that people who reside in this country should be obliged to become just like 'us'; this is problematic, I feel. Nadiya being somehow posited as the acceptable face of Islam is an insult to both her and her faith, and the frankly bizarre mention of the 7/7 attacks only reverses the supposed message of the piece: that Nadiya is an exception to a grossly unfair and wrongfully assumed 'rule'.
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Spot on.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Just saw this on twitter - from the Mail on Sunday

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Erm... isn't that the point?!
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But what to do when you run out of bags?
 
SteveJ said:
The article - classic "despite the provocative rubbish we routinely publish, here's a curveball to (hopefully) disarm & bewilder our critics" Mail tactics - more or less says that people who reside in this country should be obliged to become just like 'us'; this is problematic, I feel. Nadiya being somehow posited as the acceptable face of Islam is an insult to both her and her faith, and the frankly bizarre mention of the 7/7 attacks only reverses the supposed message of the piece: that Nadiya is an exception to a grossly unfair and wrongfully assumed 'rule'.
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It's written by a self-proclaimed liberal muslim woman ffs.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How will you run out of bags? The whole point is you keep re-using them, so you can't run out.
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They can be flimsy though and don't last forever. Is the bag thing just at supermarkets? The offy didn't try and charge me yesterday for a bag yesterday.
 
Ubik said:
It's written by a self-proclaimed liberal muslim woman ffs.
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The very fact that this is a Daily Mail article means that I don't feel it necessary to defend the points raised in my post; the reason for this should be obvious. They'll probably be publishing 'Is this the ghost of Nadiya in a wheelie bin?' articles before long.
 
Jippy said:
They can be flimsy though and don't last forever. Is the bag thing just at supermarkets? The offy didn't try and charge me yesterday for a bag yesterday.
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Companies with less than 200 employees don't have to do the charge and certain things you buy can come with a free bag.

Those bags for life - if the handle breaks or something you can get them replaced for free.
 
We've had to pay 5p for bags for ages. It's easy enough on self service to say you've brought your own bag and nick one anyway.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I've abused the self service plenty of times.

The amount of times that deals you were meant to get just don't go through, I'm sure I'm still at a loss.
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Aye they cock up quite a fair bit. My mate was scanning a Capri-Sun through once and it nearly charged him around £18 for sausages through a weird glitch/code error. It sounds ludicrous now I'm reading it back but they're really not reliable at all :lol:
 
Welsh Wonder said:
We've had to pay 5p for bags for ages. It's easy enough on self service to say you've brought your own bag and nick one anyway.
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On the self service checkouts, usually just buying 1 item, I used to click on 'used your own bags'. When it asks 'how many bags used' I used to click on 9 (the maximum), so I can get the 9 extra Nectar points.

Sadly, anything over 4 bags needs to be verified by a member of staff. I found this out the hard way. #badboy4lyf
 
Jippy said:
They can be flimsy though and don't last forever. Is the bag thing just at supermarkets? The offy didn't try and charge me yesterday for a bag yesterday.
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Which is an incentive for people to invest staggering sums of money like 50p to buy one of those "bags for life" instead of flimsy, crappy plastic bags. The whole rationale behind this initiative is to take as many of them out of service as possible, so they don't end up strewn all over hedgerows any more.
 
Mockney said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3267211/PLATELL-S-PEOPLE-fear-Nadiya-s-celebrity.html

Platell's done a bizarre aboutface on Nadiya...By which I mean, a craven attempt to sell papers by pretending something hateful she said merely a week ago didn't exist.
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Let us hope she and her ‘dreamboat’ husband are grounded in those values, and are sufficiently level-headed not to let fame destroy what they have. And that, while she can become a celebrity Domestic Goddess (and how nearly stardom destroyed Nigella Lawson!), she remains first and foremost a goddess in her own home.
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'Know your place, Nadiya - at home in the kitchen.'

Platell's even managed to get the Daniel Craig story wrong.


And as for this...

A Guardian reviewer of the new film Suffragette proclaims it’s ‘a tart reminder to those who are casual about democratic gender equality that votes for women were not something that naturally evolved due to the ruling classes’ innate decency; they had to be fought for’.

Such sanctimonious drivel is enough to make you want to throw yourself under a racehorse.
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It isn't drivel - it's the truth.
 
In truth it takes plagues, wars, financial crises, political expediency or pressure to effect progressive changes; supposed decency has rarely come into it.
 
SteveJ said:
The very fact that this is a Daily Mail article means that I don't feel it necessary to defend the points raised in my post; the reason for this should be obvious. They'll probably be publishing 'Is this the ghost of Nadiya in a wheelie bin?' articles before long.
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Very surprised to be honest that you'd judge a piece based on the publisher alone, rather than the context and author. Most people jumped on the outrage train based on a mobile screenshot of a sentence posted to twitter.
 
Ubik said:
Very surprised to be honest that you'd judge a piece based on the publisher alone, rather than the context and author. Most people jumped on the outrage train based on a mobile screenshot of a sentence posted to twitter.
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Is it not the same sentiment that led to you criticising Corbyn (I could be wrong and thinking of someone else's post) for doing interviews with RT?
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Is it not the same sentiment that led to you criticising Corbyn (I could be wrong and thinking of someone else's post) for doing interviews with RT?
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No, this particular case is of a line being removed entirely from its context in order to provide an easy example of the Mail being the Mail. When actually taking the writer, her previously held views and the rest of the piece into account, it makes the claim that this was an attempt to tie Nadiya to suicide bombers for no reasons other than bigotry seem fairly absurd, unless Alibhai-Brown is particularly masochistic. Considering how easy it is to find bullshit pieces in the Mail, it just strikes me as lazy, and concerning in political debate terms that we're now piling on to writers who actually present the liberal case to Mail readers because we can snip a section out in the middle and make it look bad. There was much criticism of the removal of context from Corbyn's "Bin Laden's death was a tragedy" line, so I'm unsure why different standards suddenly apply because the target is one we don't like.

Corbyn's problem was what he was saying on Russia Today, as well as encouraging people to watch it as an objective source of news.
 
Ubik said:
No, this particular case is of a line being removed entirely from its context in order to provide an easy example of the Mail being the Mail. When actually taking the writer, her previously held views and the rest of the piece into account, it makes the claim that this was an attempt to tie Nadiya to suicide bombers for no reasons other than bigotry seem fairly absurd, unless Alibhai-Brown is particularly masochistic. Considering how easy it is to find bullshit pieces in the Mail, it just strikes me as lazy, and concerning in political debate terms that we're now piling on to writers who actually present the liberal case to Mail readers because we can snip a section out in the middle and make it look bad. There was much criticism of the removal of context from Corbyn's "Bin Laden's death was a tragedy" line, so I'm unsure why different standards suddenly apply because the target is one we don't like.

Corbyn's problem was what he was saying on Russia Today, as well as encouraging people to watch it as an objective source of news.
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It's that last line that I'm getting at. I think what she says ties in very well with the Mail's concept of 'acceptable Muslim', which is why they published it. In the same way Corbyn's criticisms of the West tied in with RT's anti-Western propaganda, which is why they interviewed him.

In both cases you have to ask whether you're A) really getting across the message you want to, rather than being used as part of a separate narrative and B) whether you're legitimising those publishing/airing your views.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How will you run out of bags? The whole point is you keep re-using them, so you can't run out.
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They wear out. Unless you buy reusable ones that are a great deal more than 5c. Even then they wear out eventually and then you need to buy new ones. The Mail will have a meltdown. Some sort of charity event is in order - Mail Reader Bag Aid?
 
Ubik said:
Very surprised to be honest that you'd judge a piece based on the publisher alone, rather than the context and author. Most people jumped on the outrage train based on a mobile screenshot of a sentence posted to twitter.
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To be fair, if I read in the Daily Mail that I supported United I'd have to check just to be sure.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
It's that last line that I'm getting at. I think what she says ties in very well with the Mail's concept of 'acceptable Muslim', which is why they published it. In the same way Corbyn's criticisms of the West tied in with RT's anti-Western propaganda, which is why they interviewed him.

In both cases you have to ask whether you're A) really getting across the message you want to, rather than being used as part of a separate narrative and B) whether you're legitimising those publishing/airing your views.
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Because you have to twist the content of what Alibhai-Brown says to come upon anything that can be viewed negatively. Put that on the Guardian, no-one bats an eyelid. What Corbyn says is the same anti-western stuff he's been saying for decades, comparing the US forces with ISIS and saying there should be a political solution with the latter is going to draw criticism regardless of the platform.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Which is an incentive for people to invest staggering sums of money like 50p to buy one of those "bags for life" instead of flimsy, crappy plastic bags. The whole rationale behind this initiative is to take as many of them out of service as possible, so they don't end up strewn all over hedgerows any more.
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I hate those bags for life and I recycle my plastic bags. Having a shopping bag is bit old woman-ly and I struggle somewhat with the concept of it.
 
Jippy said:
I hate those bags for life and I recycle my plastic bags. Having a shopping bag is bit old woman-ly and I struggle somewhat with the concept of it.
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You'll get over it. I used to feel weird as feck lugging an empty shopping bag round with me but we're a few years into this in Ireland and it's normalised completely. I just wish my missus didn't keep collecting pink, flowery bags. She's also got a bunch of Planet Organic ones that make me die inside a little, every time I carry one out our front door.
 
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