Cristiano Ronaldo
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No. But I think he will move on.
For the most part yes, but there will be exceptions - especially with Ronaldo. Fergie clearly wants him back.
Yes I also think he'll move. But he'll go to PSG this summer.
It's not as simplistic as that though. Even if Nike say increase our contract by 3 million a year and it's a 6/7/8 year contract. it will be worth near to 20 million there. And surely 1/2 other sponsors might be attracted ?
We've signed 3 2/3 year deals in japan already since Kagawa signed. Even if it is worth on average 750k per year that's like 7 million from those deals plus 2 tour games which are already sponsored in Japan.
We don't handle image rights like in Madrid either, so he can earn more money from that.
Not that this is happening, mind you.
They have elections due in the summer too and won't let him go cut price.How exactly is it clear? I am curious.
If he does and it's for £55M, then you'de have to be mad to turn him down.
City would be interested...
I'd spunk out the £55m purely if it meant him not going to City.
Where is the evidence for that? Is that just your inference or has he said something?
Just go over his quotes since Ronnie has left.
Why does anyone care about the money, we sometimes talk as if it's coming out of our piggy banks. The club haven't spent irresponsibly before so if they decide to wax £60million on him who cares.
No. Because the total package would be £100m+ for a 29 year old. That would be madness. But on a free? Yes please.
Holy Mother of God. 18 hours after I write up a post about Ronaldo likely coming back this summer I wake up to this!
I won't go so far as to say this is in the cards, but this really is pretty easy to imagine happening. Scrounging up the 55m will be the easy part of the deal. What I worry about is what Real will have to do to save face with its adoring fans -- will they demand we cough up De Gea and/or Hernandez? I would think so. Casillas is still only 32 so I'll just rule out any demand for De Gea. Hernandez is a possible target and, confessing my bias, I'd be absolutely gutted if Hernandez left us. There's also the possibility of Nani being part of the deal, but I'm going to rule that out on account of their likely desire to bring in Bale.
Early days and it's easy to get swept up in speculation. All I will say is that if there's a way to bring in Ronaldo this summer Fergie will absolutely do it. The man (Fergie) wants one more treble before he goes off into the Govan sunset.
I won't go so far as to say this is in the cards, but this really is pretty easy to imagine happening. Scrounging up the 55m will be the easy part of the deal. What I worry about is what Real will have to do to save face with its adoring fans -- will they demand we cough up De Gea and/or Hernandez? I would think so. Casillas is still only 32 so I'll just rule out any demand for De Gea. Hernandez is a possible target and, confessing my bias, I'd be absolutely gutted if Hernandez left us. There's also the possibility of Nani being part of the deal, but I'm going to rule that out on account of their likely desire to bring in Bale.
Early days and it's easy to get swept up in speculation. All I will say is that if there's a way to bring in Ronaldo this summer Fergie will absolutely do it. The man (Fergie) wants one more treble before he goes off into the Govan sunset.
I wouldn't care if it meant we still bought a CM or two.
He'd improve any team in the world, so yeah, I'd love to have him back. But if we're going to start spunking massive money like that I'd prefer to see us buy a top midfielder and sort that for the foreseeable future.
It's not as simplistic as that though. Even if Nike say increase our contract by 3 million a year and it's a 6/7/8 year contract. it will be worth near to 20 million there. And surely 1/2 other sponsors might be attracted ?
We've signed 3 2/3 year deals in japan already since Kagawa signed. Even if it is worth on average 750k per year that's like 7 million from those deals plus 2 tour games which are already sponsored in Japan.
We don't handle image rights like in Madrid either, so he can earn more money from that.
Not that this is happening, mind you.
You think they are chumps working at Nike? These guys are smarter than you think and are bereft of any emotions like you and I. You think they'll give us extra money for an 8 year contract based on Ronaldo, when they know that he doesn't have that long left at the top of the game?
Kagawa is a different animal, as his signing opens new avenues for us in a market where he comes from. A huge, relatively untapped market.
How is him earning money will benefit us?
Because fans like to idiotically pretend as if they have a say in how the club spends its money.
(Speaking personally) its more a case of speculating about what the club will decide to do. As you said, if the club made the decision to spend £60m on him I wouldnt be coming out in protest, and I cant imagine many others would either. If SAF decides not to spend the money, I imagine its the same thing, people would accept SAF's judgement. Until we know, we are just debating whether we think it would be worth it or not.
Is anyone here actually saying that?
No one should care.
But also, I don't think there is any harm in discussing the viability of such a huge a deal from the financial perspective. Yeah, if it is 15m on a potential it doesn't matter but 60m + high wages on 29 year old is a different ball game all together.
No chance of it happening but if it did I'd be delighted. We wouldn't just be getting a great player in his prime, we'd be bringing a stone cold United icon back to the club. How could we pass that up?
I would also do this. I'd prefer a Wilshere (muppet mode) to Ronaldo at £55m.
May be should do that. I haven't seen a quote that says he "really" wants him here.
I don't actually him returning is on the cards, actually I think you're all in the realms of fantasy.
BUT, when you say would it be worth it. Well it's not costing us, it's not my money that's paying for him, so why turn down the option based on cost. We the fans can only benefit from him signing.
Contrary to what Raoul said, to me it seems pretty clear that this is the sort of transfer only a fan or a club run by a billionaire would consider. For someone like SAF, who is always looking for "value in the market" and is likely to look at this with a completely impassive eye, it is a complete non-starter. He would have to be a lot cheaper than £55m.
This.
There's an obsession with some people on the cafe to play accountant regarding every transfer, the way I see it is if the club and manager are willing to pay it then it's fine.
Now we're talking. Let the masturbation commence!
No, not really. As a fan I'd rather we use that money elsewhere. Like.. the midfield.
Its a commonly accepted practice. Whenever a price is quoted, its immediately interpreted by fans as a good or bad deal relative to the perceived market.
Count me in.
I suspect Pompey fans would disagree. Or Leeds. Etc. etc.
That's not the situation we're in, obviously, but as fans we're entitled to have our say on what we think we need. And a signing like this would impact everything else, so of course it's going to be discussed.
And what does offering an opinion have to do with "fans like to idiotically pretend as if they have a say in how the club spends its money"?
Okay.
I would agree with you if it weren't Ronaldo. Irrespective of his age, he's at the top of his game right now and I doubt, especially given their mutual respect for one another, that Fergie wouldn't jump at the chance. It may or may not happen, but it most definitely should happen.
After they have lost a number of kit sponsorship battles in recent times to Adidas and even to new players, we are their number 1 property at the moment. While Ronaldo is their number 1 commercial property in terms of footballers even ahead of Messi and playing for a Adidas team.
It makes perfect sense for them for him to want to come here commercially. And extra 3 million per year is nothing for them even though the new contract will start in 2015. And since they will be paying us 40/50 million per year anyway, it isn't nowhere near as ludicrous as the Training kit sponsorship and Chevrolet deal we have signed.
Plus Ronaldo helps us commercially in a lot more ways getting attention than RVP except the kit deal too. Also, If he wins us things in the long term that boosts our profile which then raises revenue.
And as far as emotion is concerned see the bidding war Nike and Adidas engage with each other to pay way over the top for properties in each other's home countries. Adidas pays OTT for US sports teams, and Nike wanted to pay OTT to take away the German national football team from Adidas before they accepted a lesser offer to stay with Adidas as it became a political issue.
I only said 10 to 20 percent of the fee anyway, which is pretty conservative estimate.
And him earning more elsewhere means we have to pay less in basic wages in terms of the structure of the contract.
I reckon SAF wants another CL Medal before he goes and I'm sure he would think of the idea of buying Ronaldo as the best way to get it. I don't think him being 28 would weigh too heavily in his mind, just like RvP being 29 didn't, because he knew buying him would be the difference in winning the league or not this season.
Sorry, I meant our manager in particular. Im confident he wouldn't oversee the clubs fall into administration.
Discuss away, everyone's entitled to put thiers views across as you say and that's what I did.
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