If Ronaldo denied every rumour that exists about him he wouldn't do anything else. People saying he's used Manchester United are being ridiculous, he used the media to try to get Real Madrid to do whatever he wants them to do but the Manchester United rumous have nothing to do with him.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Transfer Speculation
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If Ronaldo denied every rumour that exists about him he wouldn't do anything else. People saying he's used Manchester United are being ridiculous, he used the media to try to get Real Madrid to do whatever he wants them to do but the Manchester United rumous have nothing to do with him.
Too bad.
Why not ?
He's getting an extended break after Confederations Cup.
That went well.. Is everyone still with us/compus mentis?
Maybe we will have finally learned. It's not good for the image of the club to let Real toy with us. This affects the way fans see us and just as importantly how players see us. Real have just given a small demonstration of their power and unfortunately "we blinked first".
Maybe we will have finally learned. It's not good for the image of the club to let Real toy with us. This affects the way fans see us and just as importantly how players see us. Real have just given a small demonstration of their power and unfortunately "we blinked first".
Terrible post. We haven't bid for him, it's just newspaper and twitter nonsense.
Ah ok.
What are you talking about. What exactly have we done? Did we bid for the player? No. Did we even express interest in the player? No. In fact, the only stories from our side were to say Jose wasn't interested in him. Seems that some people wouldn't have been happy unless we immediately issued a statement saying we weren't interested in signing him. And why would we even do that? The press makes up stories and people get angry at the club over it. If anyone is being played it's you and the other people who believe this nonsense.
no one actually thought it was serious. at least anyone with any sense. just media BS as usual
Who wants him anyway, could get Babel for a fraction of the price.
This will go back and forth. It's not over yet.
Right now the media are just guessing. I highly doubt Ronaldo made a decision when he's focused on the Portugal NT.
Right now the media are just guessing. I highly doubt Ronaldo made a decision when he's focused on the Portugal NT.
To the casual observer it might seem if nothing happened as the club didn’t make an official statement, but something did happen. i understand that the club is trying to keep our internal transfer movements out of the press but we have really been outmanoeuvred (by events) on this one.
So what happened? Following on from their win in the CL final and after the way we asserted our might in the Pogba transfer, Real Madrid (and events) have put us in our place. They have put us back in our box. They have (or rather the situation has) demonstrated that their potential castoff would be a dream for this club and that in itself reemphasises and underlines the widely held notion that there is a gap between us. Not a performance gap BUT a status gap
The club may not have said anything but everyone else did. Twitter, bloggers, press, fora, TV, players inc. ex man utd players - online and offline. These are the people that drive the narratives in sport to a degree that is comparable to and in some circumstances superior to that of club itself.
Where does the image of a club come from? It comes from achievements but it also comes from peers and authority figures making claims which in time become received wisdom.
Even though Liverpool were more successful they never quite established a mythos to compare with ours and so have, in living memory always been behind us in the glamour and prestige stakes. This glamour factor was not formed by internal forces at the club alone. Media and common consensus turned the nebulous contributing glamorous factors which in themselves are not proof, into the current irrefutable factoid that exists in the minds of the footballing public that MU > LFC in the glamour stakes.
Think also of the example of AFTv. As far as I know Arsenal FC has never made an official statement about their existence or indeed what they do. Nonetheless the existence of AFTv and their activities contribute heavily to a narrative that is building around Arsenal, one which heavily influences the way that others (inc. players) see them. So nothing official happened concerning AFTv BUT in reality a lot has happened where it counts i.e. in the minds of the broader footballing public/participants.
Likewise with us the disproportionate kerfuffle that a potential Ronaldo transfer to us generated EVERYWHERE with the main narratives being “getting on in age but good”, “he will save us”, “everything has to pause (and did pause) for this” (along with the doubters of course) served to reinforce the notion that they are higher up the global footballing pecking order than we are. The fact that he left us and has twice done something like this and that both times we the “MU-o-sphere” were bewitched by it signals that we want him more than he wants us AND that he wants RM more than he wants us. It adds credence to the suggestion that we cannot just move on and get the “next” Ronaldo BUT if RM wanted to they could. (MBappe is waiting in the wings isn’t he?).
The club doesn’t have to officially say anything for events to set a narrative in stone in the minds of observers and as I mentioned before, most importantly, future targets.
Remember he forced his way out of the club, toyed with us once and all it took was the hope of him coming back for things to go crazy. A bigger club than RM (if such a thing exists) and a set of fans who were convinced of their preeminence in the footballing world would not react in that way.
Ronaldo has already shown which club he thinks is the better/bigger one and it is within that context that this has occurred. Yet that is the elephant in the room which shall not be named but the reality of which has only been strengthened by this turn of events.
This is a step backwards and we the collective “MU-o-sphere” should have told the prodigal son where to go. BUT we cannot because he is the shining beacon in our recent history and the single player that we have had play for us in some time with a realistic claim to belonging to the global pantheon of GOATS. We cling to him because in doing so we cling to our belief that we are on the same level as teams like Real when in reality we are not. It is for this reason that too many would want him back.
Remember the regular claims post SAF to being the “biggest club in the world”. LvG said it when he arrived didn’t he? But somehow you seem to hear less and less of that these days. One massive contributing factor to that is how hard we find it to attract players. Internally people reason “well if we are the biggest shouldn’t the latest and greatest be begging to play for us”. Internally they ask “If we were wouldn’t Ronny be begging to come back to us now that he has had his Madrid adventure”? It is not inconceivable that others reason similarly
In football image counts for a lot. Glamour counts for a lot. This episode has tarnished ours and has added a burnish to Madrid’s.
Your claim is that the fact that the club (MU) did not comment means that nothing happened. In this post I tried to show that that doesn't in itself matter. Ideas can take hold without the club saying anything at all.
give over. The player threw his predictable hissy fit, Madrid were quite measured and sensible about it for a change
I've seen some shit posts on this forum but that one by @pghcc ranks up there.
This minor episode has tarnished nothing. Christ, it was barely an episode. And yes, Ronaldo prefers Madrid to United. He thinks they're the bigger team. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that, because it's blindingly obvious given he left in his prime. Madrid are more successful than us and usually attract the bigger stars. Why do people care so much about that? The obvious insecurity dripping through posts like that is disturbing.
We are one of the biggest clubs in the world because of our history, because of the premier league, our success, and our managers. It's not because of a galactico policy on a par with Madrid, that's for sure. Woodward is changing that somewhat through necessity more than anything else, given the increased money in the premier league.
Sometimes I wonder why fans just don't start supporting Madrid given they're so jealous of their success and 'prestige'.
This minor episode has tarnished nothing. Christ, it was barely an episode. And yes, Ronaldo prefers Madrid to United. He thinks they're the bigger team. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that, because it's blindingly obvious given he left in his prime. Madrid are more successful than us and usually attract the bigger stars. Why do people care so much about that? The obvious insecurity dripping through posts like that is disturbing.
We are one of the biggest clubs in the world because of our history, because of the premier league, our success, and our managers. It's not because of a galactico policy on a par with Madrid, that's for sure. Woodward is changing that somewhat through necessity more than anything else, given the increased money in the premier league.
Sometimes I wonder why fans just don't start supporting Madrid given they're so jealous of their success and 'prestige'.
Calm down. Calm down.
Fortunately I never read posts more than a 100 or so words.
The only thing being tarnished is Ronaldo's own reputation, or rather his already delicate rapport with the Madrid fans.
Dearie me...
This. I don't see who else comes off bad from this saga besides Ronaldo and his "irrevocable" decision which he will deny shortly as being a pure media fabrication. The only aspect where CR7 didn't disappoint was that he's doing exactly what the vast majority of us here expected. Incredible player, but at 32 he's still behaving like a child. Does this mean Gareth Bale is out of the BBC then? If sources on Zidane's call to Mbappe are correct that one of the three BBC members will be gone this summer, it could be something worth exploring down the line assuming it's not complete bs.
This one is funnily enough easing down now, as people count up the sheer insane cost involved, the fact he's at the best team in Europe, the fact he's starting to catch up Messi in trophies and individual awards, with the chance to overtake in the latter, and all in all, it'd be mentalism of ridiculous levels to leave for the foreseeable.
I do worry this'll always blow up though, and we'll always be interested.
Even when he's 35, 36 etc.
I can see posters now, it'll be 2020/2021 or so, he'll be 35/36, and people will say he's worth £100m still, as he's still "super fit" and still better than Ibra who did well etc.
I do worry this'll always blow up though, and we'll always be interested.
Even when he's 35, 36 etc.
I can see posters now, it'll be 2020/2021 or so, he'll be 35/36, and people will say he's worth £100m still, as he's still "super fit" and still better than Ibra who did well etc.
If I recall rightly, CR7 always planned to move to Real because he was a childhood supporter.
For me he is a United legend because of what he did while he was here, he has, unless I missed something, always talked fondly of United and it's fans and even Ferguson made it a point to talk about his not celebrating a goal against us in the CL game at OT and how he came into the United dressing room after the match to see the players whom he clearly missed.
So yeah, He is a United legend.
Don't forget the "jersey" sales....
Apparently was a Benfica fan as a kid, think it was always he just wanted to play in Spain for one of the top clubs.
Excuse my ignorance but if we're not one of the biggest, if not the biggest, why are we so commercially successful? Why not winning the biggest competitions over the past few years, not hindered this? Heck, we have the biggest kit & shirt sponserhip deals?
Everyone around the world knows that weather in Spain helps those teams a lot more. Heck, even London helps attract a lot of players. So even with all this against us, we some how still manage to be the most valuable football club in the world!
We really were taught a lesson by Real!
Everyone around the world knows that weather in Spain helps those teams a lot more. Heck, even London helps attract a lot of players. So even with all this against us, we some how still manage to be the most valuable football club in the world!
We really were taught a lesson by Real!
We pay our taxes!Excuse my ignorance but if we're not one of the biggest, if not the biggest, why are we so commercially successful? Why not winning the biggest competitions over the past few years, not hindered this? Heck, we have the biggest kit & shirt sponserhip deals?
Everyone around the world knows that weather in Spain helps those teams a lot more. Heck, even London helps attract a lot of players. So even with all this against us, we some how still manage to be the most valuable football club in the world!
We really were taught a lesson by Real!
Nor do I, but it took close to an half hour to scroll past that cr#p.
I think there's more to it than just the weather. The fact that most of these so called 'galacticos' are from spanish/portugués speaking countries helps the spanish clubs. Also, our failure to constantly improve our squad didn't help us either. If you have a good team, you're more likely to attract the superstars. I personally think we should focus on building a great team first.Excuse my ignorance but if we're not one of the biggest, if not the biggest, why are we so commercially successful? Why not winning the biggest competitions over the past few years, not hindered this? Heck, we have the biggest kit & shirt sponserhip deals?
Everyone around the world knows that weather in Spain helps those teams a lot more. Heck, even London helps attract a lot of players. So even with all this against us, we some how still manage to be the most valuable football club in the world!
We really were taught a lesson by Real!
Exactly, at the end of the day it's true that despite a rough patch, Manchester United is still on top as far as value is concerned, but a more important metric to me would be interest from young talented prospects all the way to superstars in their prime. In that regard, major trophies have the most effect, so it starts with building a good team. From what I've heard, there's pre-determined biases depending on where the talent comes from which I tend to agree with. With South America and Western Europe, the two Spanish giants have built a great reputation with the upcoming talent, and Eastern Europe is more interested in the Premier League and Manchester United generally. You can always attract world-class talent with money alone, which Man Utd has in abundance, but I feel it sometimes attracts mercenaries more than players who are dying for success with the club.
Building a great, balanced team is something that can be done in this one summer, and now that the focus of CR7 is gone (and I don't believe anyone who matters at the club were very preoccupied with that), the time to get the Fabinho's and <insert needed player here> is now. This is going to be a very interesting season in regards to Mourinho. I'm not exactly sold on him yet, I know he's definitely capable of turning teams into champions but I have a short memory, I think he's very outdated in some ways, and with these resources at his disposal I'd like to see a top 2 finish next season so he can shut me up.
To be fair, hypothetically, if Ronaldo came back to United, and led us to the Premier League, this would be a bigger accomplishment for his legacy (and head to head with Messi) than winning la liga again, and dare I say the CL. Taking a stumbling giant back to the top would be akin to Maradona and Napoli. A huge part of Maradona's legacy is that he was with Napoli and he made an ok team great. It would be a big risk, but also a big reward. He also has to consider Messi is younger and you'd have to think a couple more years at peak form.
Just throwing that out there, not that I think he'd do it.
The mental contortions...
Oops.. Must remember not to stray from the #orthodoxy .
Oops.. Must remember not to stray from the #orthodoxy
.It's only been a week or so, but it feels like the whole fevered discussion about this was years ago now...
Ronaldo must have thought this would reach fever pitch by the time he's finished with Portugal this summer but feck me this died a death.
The big reveal that he's staying will barely register.
The big reveal that he's staying will barely register.
It will start up again after the Confederations Cup.
So what's happening with this transfer, chaps?
A few days ago, he issued a "Get me to United" plea to his agent.
Is this the annual "Ronaldo to MUFC" transfer rumour, which never actually comes true?
A few days ago, he issued a "Get me to United" plea to his agent.
Is this the annual "Ronaldo to MUFC" transfer rumour, which never actually comes true?
Did he...?
People still believe Ronaldo actually wants to leave RM? The only reason he'll ever leave there is if they literally shove him out the door. Considering they're begging him to stay, that's not going to happen.
He throws a fit whenever he wants Perez to do something for him. It's usually for a wage increase but this time he's telling Perez to bail him out of this his tax fraud.
He throws a fit whenever he wants Perez to do something for him. It's usually for a wage increase but this time he's telling Perez to bail him out of this his tax fraud.
News coming out now that he's decided to stay. Shocking, I know.
Someone needs to teach him what "irreversible" means. Faint hope, but I hope next Summer when he leaks that he "100% definitely is going, there's zero chance I'll be at Madrid next season" the media will just skip ahead and announce he's getting a pay rise.
Someone needs to teach him what "irreversible" means. Faint hope, but I hope next Summer when he leaks that he "100% definitely is going, there's zero chance I'll be at Madrid next season" the media will just skip ahead and announce he's getting a pay rise.
That wouldn't sell some papers though now, would it?
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