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Impressive of course. As I said he’s a great player with an extraordinary career. But still, I’m talking percentage. In relation to other players many of his goals are against small teams and when his team are already winning comfortably. Or even losing comfortoably. That’s all I’m saying. It has partly to do with the fact that he is a good counter player but also that he doesn’t stop trying hard when the games already are won or lost. He still wants to score. Get his individual goal statistics up. Call it gut feeling or whatever but I’m sure I’m right.
Huh? Weird comment, seems you never followed his football at all. There’s one reason why nobody shares your gut feeling opinion here, because it’s simply not true. I am sure he has scored more winning goals than anyone, and it isn’t even up for debate for many years. Scoring important goals has always been one of strong arguments for Ronaldo being GOAT, and no one would question that because it’s so obvious.
 
I don't know the stats about league games, but Ronaldo has scored far more goals than Messi in CL-knockout games (can't proof it, i know it because i made a excel file like 2 years ago to compare their cl stats but i can't find it unfortunately, was on my old laptop). But i don't think you provided any (valid) statistics to support your claim?
It’s an astronomical difference as well if I’m not mistaken, it’s like a 60-20 split something like that.
 
True. But I want to see club statistics before dropping my claims.
Just look it up then. You made an unsubstantiated claim and now you're expecting other people to do the leg work to prove or disprove it. The burden of proof lies on you.
 
It’s an astronomical difference as well if I’m not mistaken, it’s like a 60-20 split something like that.

The gap is big but Messi has a lot more than 20. 2 years ago it was (according to reddit/twitter) 63-40.



But it is also worth to mention that Ronaldo had some phenomenal performances in big ties in the knockout stage in the CL-wins of Real. 16/17 he scored 5 of their 6 goals against Bayern in quarter finals, 3 of their 4 against Atletico in semi, 2 of 4 against Juve in the final. 17/18 3 of their 5 against PSG, 3 of their 4 against Juve. 15/16 all 3 goals against Wolfsburg to turn around the tie.
 
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2-1 vs Netherlands 2012

first goal vs Netherlands semi finals 04

1-0 goal vs czech QF 2012

1-0 vs Wales semi final 16

3 goals vs Spain 18

3 goals vs Wolfsburg16

3 goals vs atlético 19

1-0 vs barca final

1-0 vs Juve final

1-0 vs Juve semi final

1-0 vs barca copa del Rey final

1-0 vs Sweden playoffs

3-2 vs Sweden playoffs

Should I keep going? These were literally all off the top of my head.

your high.

You can’t be this stupid surely. I’ll just assume you’re tired after a rough day. No one has suggested he hasn’t scored important goals. Remember that when you wake up tomorrow.

Those last three goals against Sweden are bad examples by the way. Counterattacking goals when Sweden was pushing forward. The last goal was typical Cristiano. Game already won comfortably, Sweden had to score two goals with ten minutes left. As I said his percentage of non-important goals must be extremely high compared to other players. What I didn’t say was that he barely scored important goals. Now go sleep.
 
That 2nd goal was incredible.

I do find it a bit weird our socials keep promoting him so much. No smoke without fire?
 
As I said his percentage of non-important goals must be extremely high compared to other players.

But you have only a feeling while @Ekkie Thump posted some interesting stats that indicate that this is simply not true, at least compared to Messi. The only stats you posted are stats that don't show anything more than Ronaldo playing against more small teams on international level than Messi.
 
You can’t be this stupid surely. I’ll just assume you’re tired after a rough day. No one has suggested he hasn’t scored important goals. Remember that when you wake up tomorrow.

Those last three goals against Sweden are bad examples by the way. Counterattacking goals when Sweden was pushing forward. The last goal was typical Cristiano. Game already won comfortably, Sweden had to score two goals with ten minutes left. As I said his percentage of non-important goals must be extremely high compared to other players. What I didn’t say was that he barely scored important goals. Now go sleep.

The score in the Sweden playoff went 1-0 Portugal (Ronaldo), 1-1, 2-1 Sweden. 2-2 (Ronaldo), 3-2 Portugal (Ronaldo). Of course Portugal already had a goal advantage from the first leg thanks to an 82nd minute strike by Ronaldo.

Overall I reckon Ronnie featured rather heavily in that tie.
 
That 2nd goal was incredible.

I do find it a bit weird our socials keep promoting him so much. No smoke without fire?
I don’t think our social team has any contact with the scouting/recruitment departments. It’s their job to generate interactions and a club legend like Ronaldo will do that. If they had any sort of inside knowledge on our plans to bring Ronaldo back you can guarantee it would have been leaked to a journo or two by now and the links would be much stronger.
 
Impressive of course. As I said he’s a great player with an extraordinary career. But still, I’m talking percentage. In relation to other players many of his goals are against small teams and when his team are already winning comfortably. Or even losing comfortoably. That’s all I’m saying. It has partly to do with the fact that he is a good counter player but also that he doesn’t stop trying hard when the games already are won or lost. He still wants to score. Get his individual goal statistics up. Call it gut feeling or whatever but I’m sure I’m right.

What you’re doing is not called gut feeling. It’s just a bullshit way to basically maintain a belief that has no basis in fact or stats. You’re welcome to have it. It’s your opinion. But you can’t make up shit like “I think he scores more goals against small teams and when his team is already winning” with no evidence or statistics which back it up, and then when someone provides contradictory evidence; say it’s “gut feel”. It’s not.
 
GOAT.. easily... different leagues.. national team.. what a player.

It’s just wonderful to watch his desire to test himself and put himself on the 3 hardest leagues - because he wants to be known as the goat.

The guy was crying when not winning the euro’s a decade back - those tears have influenced so many players of Portugal due to his pure desire to win.

He is my GOAT because of his mentality as a footballing human being - it’s the best I’ve ever seen; even if another player can outshine him at times in a technical manner with their feet - he is good at it too with the added aspect of his legendary mentality.
 
It’s just wonderful to watch his desire to test himself and put himself on the 3 hardest leagues - because he wants to be known as the goat.

The guy was crying when not winning the euro’s a decade back - those tears have influenced so many players of Portugal due to his pure desire to win.

He is my GOAT because of his mentality as a footballing human being - it’s the best I’ve ever seen; even if another player can outshine him at times in a technical manner with their feet - he is good at it too with the added aspect of his legendary mentality.

He is definitely my GOAT. No doubt about that.
But his actions last night during the post match debrief when he pushed the three bottles of Coke out of the way and replaced with a bottle of water meant that he went up even further in my view.
That action was really significant and well done Cristiano.
 
He's GOAT even without his desire to win with his national side and his mentality.. Once you start factoring that in, its not even a content.. He is up against a guy who retired from international football 5 years ago because he couldnt be bothered.
 

We're bringing him home, aren't we? I can't remember any other case of any club's social media stanning another team's player this much.

Including the other Portuguese players in this is just misdirection. There's no way this would have been posted if not for Ronaldo.
 
What a player is has been and still is. GOAT for me.

That last goal is superb.
 
You can’t be this stupid surely. I’ll just assume you’re tired after a rough day. No one has suggested he hasn’t scored important goals. Remember that when you wake up tomorrow.

Those last three goals against Sweden are bad examples by the way. Counterattacking goals when Sweden was pushing forward. The last goal was typical Cristiano. Game already won comfortably, Sweden had to score two goals with ten minutes left. As I said his percentage of non-important goals must be extremely high compared to other players. What I didn’t say was that he barely scored important goals. Now go sleep.
The point was did he not score the first goal vs Sweden ? Or are jusr choosing to focus on the third?

Yourr talking about stupid but your post was as “stupid” as they come.

I named all those games off of the top of my head and your talking about “gut feelings “ and “hunches”
 
With a trophy he didn't play in the final for.
Would they get to the final without him?
If your answer is yes then do me and a favor and just log off for the rest of the day because your point is next to null.
 
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Would they get to the final without him?
If your answer is no then do me and a favor and just log off for the rest of the day because your point is next to null.
Would they win the trophy without Eder?

So defensive.
 
The gap is big but Messi has a lot more than 20. 2 years ago it was (according to reddit/twitter) 63-40.



But it is also worth to mention that Ronaldo had some phenomenal performances in big ties in the knockout stage in the CL-wins of Real. 16/17 he scored 5 of their 6 goals against Bayern in quarter finals, 3 of their 4 against Atletico in semi, 2 of 4 against Juve in the final. 17/18 3 of their 5 against PSG, 3 of their 4 against Juve. 15/16 all 3 goals against Wolfsburg to turn around the tie.


The big gap you're mentioning is when you skip the R16 and include only from quarter finals onwards, there the difference is really big.
 
The score in the Sweden playoff went 1-0 Portugal (Ronaldo), 1-1, 2-1 Sweden. 2-2 (Ronaldo), 3-2 Portugal (Ronaldo). Of course Portugal already had a goal advantage from the first leg thanks to an 82nd minute strike by Ronaldo.

Overall I reckon Ronnie featured rather heavily in that tie.
That guy is playing some gold medal worthy mental gymnastics.

I have legit felt brain cells leaving my brain reading the last few posts.
 
Would they win the trophy without Eder?

So defensive.
Your jab at trying to discredit the win based on a game he was purposely injured to try to prove a non existent point warrants a response.
 
Your jab at trying to discredit the win based on a game he was purposely injured to try to prove a non existent point warrants a response.
The point is clear and hardly up for debate. Ronaldo didn't carry Portugal at Euro 2016 as much as you want that to be the narrative. He contributed of course like the top player he is.
 
The point is clear and hardly up for debate. Ronaldo didn't carry Portugal at Euro 2016 as much as you want that to be the narrative. He contributed of course like the top player he is.
2 goals in the game that decided if we leave the group stage or go home.

his shot led to the rebound winner vs Croatia

galvanized his team and scored the penalty vs Poland (unlike someone else that same summer)

goal And assist in the semi finals.

So he literally had a direct influence in every single knockout game (Hungary was essentially a knockout game) all the way to the final.

I don’t know what else you expect him to do.

I would bet he would of probably scored in the final as well.
 
Obviously Ronaldo deserves recognition for their euro win. Its a team game and he was influential getting them to the final.

of course.

1. historically easy draw (you won't see Wales and Poland in semis again)
2. Eder
3. Ronaldo as the most important player beside Pepe

in that order I'd say.
 
The big gap you're mentioning is when you skip the R16 and include only from quarter finals onwards, there the difference is really big.
QF is where the really big gap is actually. They're pretty even otherwise
 
No one is denying Ronaldo's work ethic. But let's be honest, Sir Alex never had a player of his caliber in his career. Towards the end, CR was a beast in a class all his own. Ronaldo made it pretty clear he wanted out. There would be nothing for ferguson to gain to flog him to Real, if anything, ferguson needed him, not the other way around.

Its amazing to me how far some united fans go to "defend" ronaldo and slag rooney.


True.
Rooney is much more an United-legend than Ronaldo is, and yet one doesnt always get that impression.
 
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