Cristiano Ronaldo : The Juventus Chapter | Fin

[Member 117152]

Worth noting that he has scored more goals for Portugal in his last 30 something games then he did in his first 100.

That also has to do with he has played in a very bad national team for 85% of his career. Now we have a lot of decent players coming through it seems.

Never knew that fact! That’s actually insane.

Portugal are defo a top team these days. About on par with England. Both are capable of winning the Euros or a World Cup possibly in the not too distant future.

Bernardo Silva and Jao Felix are top talents. I’d love players like that at United.

 

[SportingCP96]

Never knew that fact! That’s actually insane.

Portugal are defo a top team these days. About on par with England. Both are capable of winning the Euros or a World Cup possibly in the not too distant future.

Bernardo Silva and Jao Felix are top talents. I’d love players like that at United.

The jury is for sure still out on Joao Felix but Bernardo Silva is a magician. If Ronaldo was a few years younger I would like our odds of capturing more trophies but once he is gone I am not too sure where the goals will come from. Maybe Felix will turn into a Star but if not then we have an issue

 

[tomaldinho1]

The hate for Ronaldo on here is insane, there seem to be an absolute gaggle of posters who can't wait to shit on him. Guy's a living legend, just drink it in whilst you can - it won't be too long before he and Messi hang up their boots

 

[duffer]

The hate for Ronaldo on here is insane, there seem to be an absolute gaggle of posters who can't wait to shit on him. Guy's a living legend, just drink it in whilst you can - it won't be too long before he and Messi hang up their boots

Could you quote one or two examples of the "hate" on here?

 

[fps]

Guys stop including international goals it's weird and doesn't tell us as much as their goals for their actual clubs.

Ronaldo has 6 this season and it's clear Juve aren't playing to his strengths and he's saving himself for bigger matches.

 

[Bepi]

Ok did my homework to understand better why CR7 is not happy with Sarri and it seems he neither wants to play as a striker (a la Inzaghi) in a 4-4-2 with Ramsey or Bernardeschi as #10 nor stay on the left as a glorified winger (a la Morata) in the canonical 4-3-3, with Sarri more inclined to use Dybala, Higuain and Costa as magic futsal midgets.

 

[Kinsella]

The hate for Ronaldo on here is insane, there seem to be an absolute gaggle of posters who can't wait to shit on him.

The 'hate' you refer to isn't really for Ronaldo himself, it's more like a reflex response brought on by the other gaggle of posters who display an almost homoerotic devotion towards him.

There's something Pavlovian about it.

 

[spontaneus1]

Ahh the yearly Ronaldo is shite debate. Happened every year in September to December for the last 3 years and then he puts it back up a gear again. I am sure this season will be no different.

 

[SirAF]

The hate for Ronaldo on here is insane, there seem to be an absolute gaggle of posters who can't wait to shit on him. Guy's a living legend, just drink it in whilst you can - it won't be too long before he and Messi hang up their boots

Bang on.

The 'hate' you refer to isn't really for Ronaldo himself, it's more like a reflex response brought on by the other gaggle of posters who display an almost homoerotic devotion towards him.

There's something Pavlovian about it.

If that is your view - why do you (or the others) even go into the thread? Life is too short to bother with a player you’re not a fan of.

 

[Kinsella]

It that is your view - why do you (or the others) even go into the thread? Life is too short to bother with a player you’re not a fan of.

I just posted an observation. I didn't criticise the player.

 

[SportingCP96]

The 'hate' you refer to isn't really for Ronaldo himself, it's more like a reflex response brought on by the other gaggle of posters who display an almost homoerotic devotion towards him.

There's something Pavlovian about it.

I have to disagree the hate you see is almost a weird obsession and desperateness to see him fail so they can be like “see he isn’t good”’or whatever goes through there mind. When ever he has bad performances the haters flock to this thread and then when he puts on a show like last night they are no where to seen.

As to your point IF you or others feel there is a homoerotic cult of fans in the Ronaldo thread where we have pictures and shrines of him everywhere then....why even come to the thread? Don’t make much sense to me.

There are literally “haters” who watch this thread like hawks and swoop in the moment he performs bad.

 

[Kinsella]

I have to disagree the hate you see is almost a weird obsession and desperateness to see him fail so they can be like “see he isn’t good”’or whatever goes through there mind. When ever he has bad performances the haters flock to this thread and then when he puts on a show like last night they are no where to seen.

Perhaps, but I think much of it is directly proportional to the excessive adulation provided by his supporters.

As to your point IF you or others feel there is a homoerotic cult of fans in the Ronaldo thread where we have pictures and shrines of him everywhere then....why even come to the thread? Don’t make much sense to me.

Well the thread isn't the Cristiano Ronaldo adulation thread (current title notwithstanding), it's a discussion thread. Personally speaking I just go into it for the performance updates, as I don't really follow Serie A, and the last time I posted in it was a couple of months ago.

There are literally “haters” who watch this thread like hawks and swoop in the moment he performs bad.

True, but I think they do that more to get a rise out of his supporters. I doubt they actually hate Ronaldo.

In other words, if the praise wasn't as excessive as it is then neither would the criticism or 'hate'.

 

[pregra]

Its still early season, majority of Messi goals scored so far were against Celta Vigo (18th in La Liga), Levante (12th), Elba (15th) and Slavia Prague (Czech), not exactly top clubs in Europe. I am merely stating all the goals they scored this season so far in all competition (league, CL, International/Euro Qualifiers) . Anything you are not happy about?

Still miles better than Lithuania though, who have one win in the last three years. Yesterdays game was a training session from the first second. It took Lithuania 17 minutes to even complete a pass in Portugals half ffs.

 

[momo83]

Ahh the yearly Ronaldo is shite debate. Happened every year in September to December for the last 3 years and then he puts it back up a gear again. I am sure this season will be no different.

Obviously one of the greatest ever. Amazing to be doing it at his age to the level that he’s doing it. But just a thought , people who watch Juve week in week out , are in better position to have an opinion.

Football for some managers is more then goals... if now the only thing of Ronaldo is goals, and during the rest of the time he offers little else, maybe there’s the argument that until/if he scores Juve are playing with 10 men and they’ll be better of having a player who contributes more over more of the game.. so then it would make sense to sub him or even start him on the bench.

Again this is not an opinion...but I do know that often iconic players that play late into their career usually ends up becoming a bit of a burden eg Gerrard, Shearer, Rooney, etc

 

[momo83]

But he’d be a great loan signing for United in January.. hopefully he can fall out enough with Sarri for it to be even the most remote of possibilities

 

[spontaneus1]

Obviously one of the greatest ever. Amazing to be doing it at his age to the level that he’s doing it. But just a thought , people who watch Juve week in week out , are in better position to have an opinion.

Football for some managers is more then goals... if now the only thing of Ronaldo is goals, and during the rest of the time he offers little else, maybe there’s the argument that until/if he scores Juve are playing with 10 men and they’ll be better of having a player who contributes more over more of the game.. so then it would make sense to sub him or even start him on the bench.

Again this is not an opinion...but I do know that often iconic players that play late into their career usually ends up becoming a bit of a burden eg Gerrard, Shearer, Rooney, etc

He still is Juventus top scorer so far this season, most of them match winning goals too. Ultimately its not only how many he scores that makes the difference but always comes up with the goods when needed. Last season vs Atletico a prime example.

 

[mdvmia]

He still is Juventus top scorer so far this season, most of them match winning goals too. Ultimately its not only how many he scores that makes the difference but always comes up with the goods when needed. Last season vs Atletico a prime example.

The only match winning goals were the two penalties

 

[Red Stone]

Still miles better than Lithuania though, who have one win in the last three years. Yesterdays game was a training session from the first second. It took Lithuania 17 minutes to even complete a pass in Portugals half ffs.

But still, "you can only beat what's in front of you" still rings true, and Lithuania have only conceded two hat-tricks in the last 19 years*. Both of those were Ronaldo, and both were this year, with one being a four goal haul. Just showing up and netting hat-tricks against Lithuania clearly isn't something anyone can just do. Except Ronaldo. He did it two times out of two.

*I couldn't be arsed to trawl for statistics from long-forgotten friendlies, so I can't confirm this exactly. I know for sure that they hadn't conceded hat-tricks since February 2002, while the last one I found definite proof of was from October 2000 by the late Miklos Feher.

 

[Schneckerl]

But still, "you can only beat what's in front of you" still rings true, and Lithuania have only conceded two hat-tricks in the last 19 years*. Both of those were Ronaldo, and both were this year, with one being a four goal haul. Just showing up and netting hat-tricks against Lithuania clearly isn't something anyone can just do. Except Ronaldo. He did it two times out of two.

Lithuania used to be way more competitive and are right now in their worst state in decades if you look at their results.

I don't know people realize how abysmal Lithuania currently is (maybe because they aren't a microstate) or if the ignorance is deliberate.

This isn't "hating", it's valid criticism and isn't something that's only applied to Ronaldo either. When Kane or Messi scored a hattrick vs Panama most people (rightfully) knew to not make too much of a big deal out of it.

 

[Daysleeper]

Lithuania used to be way more competitive and are right now in their worst state in decades if you look at their results.

I don't know people realize how abysmal Lithuania currently is (maybe because they aren't a microstate) or if the ignorance is deliberate.

This isn't "hating", it's valid criticism and isn't something that's only applied to Ronaldo either. When Kane or Messi scored a hattrick vs Panama most people (rightfully) knew to not make too much of a big deal out of it.

Exactly, it’s almost embarrassing the amount people are talking up a match against a god awful Lithuania side. Ranked 132nd in the world FFS

 

[shamans]

Exactly, it’s almost embarrassing the amount people are talking up a match against a god awful Lithuania side. Ranked 132nd in the world FFS

If only messi could perform against these god awful sides just one time and win his country anything other than tears.

You've been trolling in the Ronaldo thread for years its surprising youre still allowed here.

 

[Acrobat7]

It tells you how his season is going, if we have to hype goals against Lithuania.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Still miles better than Lithuania though, who have one win in the last three years. Yesterdays game was a training session from the first second. It took Lithuania 17 minutes to even complete a pass in Portugals half ffs.

I am talking about this season so far, not just 1 or 2 games. I am sure Messi has face many weak opponents throughout his career too, does it matter to you?

 

[RedRonaldo]

Exactly, it’s almost embarrassing the amount people are talking up a match against a god awful Lithuania side. Ranked 132nd in the world FFS

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

 

[SirAF]

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

Bingo. This whole off topic debate had just settled - then, lo and behold pregra appears like Beetlejuice to reignite it

 

[Prometheus]

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

Ouch!

Anyway, that Ali Daei record is as good as gone for me. Only 11 goals to go.

 

[Schneckerl]

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

Bingo. This whole off topic debate had just settled - then, lo and behold pregra appears like Beetlejuice to reignite it

Exactly that's what I'm talking about. You may not be aware of it, but there is a massive difference between a La Liga relegation team (Celta Vigo) and Lithuania. I just want to help people who don't understand. It's more like somebody would hype up a hattrick in the FA Cup vs Tranmere Rovers or Rotherham United.

Or maybe you are not intrested in the truth, I don't know.

 

[Bole Top]

what some don't understand is that no one is laughing at Ronaldo. some simply find it funny that his fans are now drooling over his goals against teams like Lithuania and Luxemburg after using the "it's only Betis/Bilbao/Valencia" argument all these years. that + the fact La Liga suddenly became "easy to score in" right after Ronaldo left for Italy. they aren't laughing at Ronaldo, they're laughing at their most vocal fans here.

 

[broccoli]

Reality is Juventus has been playing dire football for a while now. And even if I think Allegri is a better tactician than Sarri, who is more of a fundamentalist, i think Juve's problem is a mixture of overrated players and teams setting themselves too negatively against them.

A dogmatic approach a la Sarri or Guardiola, even if they change game to game, will always require a massive investment. In my opition Juve haven't bought players that are far superior to the rest in serie A. Their most dangerous players are still the same as ever.

 

[Prometheus]

what some don't understand is that no one is laughing at Ronaldo. some simply find it funny that his fans are now drooling over his goals against teams like Lithuania and Luxemburg after using the "it's only Betis/Bilbao/Valencia" argument all these years. that + the fact La Liga suddenly became "easy to score in" right after Ronaldo left for Italy. they aren't laughing at Ronaldo, they're laughing at their most vocal fans here.

The irony, as has been pointed out, is that Ronaldo fans are actually less vocal than the Messi fans, and tend to go after Messi far less, in fact. I personally think the opposite of what you say is true: it's due to Ronaldo himself being perceived as someone who is arrogant, calls himself the best, calls himself handsome, and generally oozes certain vibe that rubs people the wrong way. I remember I didn't like him when he was starting out at United because while he was very entertaining and incredibly talented, something about him just pissed me off; whereas I immediately liked Messi after seeing him at the youth championships in 2005.

 

[SirAF]

The irony, as has been pointed out, is that Ronaldo fans are actually less vocal than the Messi fans, and tend to go after Messi far less, in fact. I personally think the opposite of what you say is true: it's due to Ronaldo himself being perceived as someone who is arrogant, calls himself the best, calls himself handsome, and generally oozes certain vibe that rubs people the wrong way. I remember I didn't like when he was starting out at United because while he was very entertaining and incredibly talented, something about him just pissed me off; whereas I immediately liked Messi after seeing him at the youth championships in 2005.

That’s sort of the point many are trying to make. If some of the die hard Messi/Barcelona/Argentina fans find the Ronaldo fandom to be so insufferable why spend time in the Ronaldo thread? Why spend time at such an unimportant issue that annoys you so much? It’s bizzare.

I mean, you have posters that has been here for years and years and most of their meagre post count has been spent at a player they do not even like.

 

[Gehrman]

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

It was 2 sweet freekicks though.

 

[Zehner]

Talking about hypocrisy. There’s only been a reasonable amount of post talking about the hat trick, before some Messi fanboy arrived and trying to spoil the party. In fact, when Messi scored hat trick against La Liga relegation team the other day, there’s also full page of talking up at Messi thread. Only difference is Ronaldo fans wouldn’t invade and spoil the thread there.

Come on. The Messi thread at times laid dormant throughout periods in which Messi scored 10+ goals in the meantime. The Cristiano thread has twice as many posts as the Messi one and gets bumped every game he scores a goal. Thing is, the mental gymnastics in this thread often trigger responses because it is hard not to call them out when you come across them. I mean, just look at the last pages. It immediately irks in your finger tips when you see how some are glorifying a hatrick vs Lithuania as proof that the "haters" were wrong and go on to praise his current goal record when he scored 50% of those goals against a national side whose quality wouldn't even good enough to be considered a candidate for a preseason match if they were an actual football club. Some even post misleading statistics by deliberately leaving out crucial contextual information. You rarely see that kind of stuff in the Messi thread and if you do you can be sure it'll be called out. So yeah, what do you expect?

 

[SirAF]

Come on. The Messi thread at times laid dormant throughout periods in which Messi scored 10+ goals in the meantime. The Cristiano thread has twice as many posts as the Messi one and gets bumped every game he scores a goal. Thing is, the mental gymnastics in this thread often trigger responses because it is hard not to call them out when you come across them. I mean, just look at the last pages. It immediately irks in your finger tips when you see how some are glorifying a hatrick vs Lithuania as proof that the "haters" were wrong and go on to praise his current goal record when he scored 50% of those goals against a national side whose quality wouldn't even good enough to be considered a candidate for a preseason match if they were an actual football club. Some even post misleading statistics by deliberately leaving out crucial contextual information. You rarely see that kind of stuff in the Messi thread and if you do you can be sure it'll be called out. So yeah, what do you expect?

No one is forcing the Messi fans to enter though.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Come on. The Messi thread at times laid dormant throughout periods in which Messi scored 10+ goals in the meantime. The Cristiano thread has twice as many posts as the Messi one and gets bumped every game he scores a goal. Thing is, the mental gymnastics in this thread often trigger responses because it is hard not to call them out when you come across them. I mean, just look at the last pages. It immediately irks in your finger tips when you see how some are glorifying a hatrick vs Lithuania as proof that the "haters" were wrong and go on to praise his current goal record when he scored 50% of those goals against a national side whose quality wouldn't even good enough to be considered a candidate for a preseason match if they were an actual football club. Some even post misleading statistics by deliberately leaving out crucial contextual information. You rarely see that kind of stuff in the Messi thread and if you do you can be sure it'll be called out. So yeah, what do you expect?

Its Ronaldo thread, what do you expect? The man is nearly 35 and won't be playing forever, and all we want is to enjoy while it last. Why do you people strongly feel the need to spoil the party at every chances here? Especially when Ronaldo just scored a hat trick (including a good goal too), its really not necessary, its haters mentality, those type of things we won't do in Messi thread.

The stats being discussed here are all factually correct anyway (16 goals in all competitions this season, 700+ career goals etc), no one said he is anywhere near the form of best player in the world this season, but scoring 16 goals in past 3 months, for a player who is nearly 35, we are happy about it.

 

[2mufc0]

The irony, as has been pointed out, is that Ronaldo fans are actually less vocal than the Messi fans, and tend to go after Messi far less,

It's because they are insecure, how can such an inferior player in their eyes be compared to their god? If they were that confident about it they wouldn't be bashing Ronaldo at every opportunity and circling like vultures waiting for him to fail.

 

[Bole Top]

Especially when Ronaldo just scored a hat trick (including a good goal too), its really not necessary, its haters mentality, those type of things we won't do in Messi thread.

well, it's not like Argentina dismantled Burundi or Hong Kong and now you have bunch of Barca fans swarming that thread and saying "You see, Valverde? that's how it shoud be done." not a single sane person would do that yet it's happening here for some reason. personally, I never post here and I have no problems with fans praising their idols, but this has nothing do to with Ronaldo, it's about pure common sense. I wouldn't even post here if it weren't for those strange calls for Sarri/Allegri and Juventus. at this point I'm still not sure whether some of you are joking or simply pretending, or you actually aren't aware of the level of these national teams when comparing his games for Portugal with those in Juve shirt.

I still remember posts about Portugal before last WC and how dire and shit their football is, yet I also remember them dismantling pretty much every of those NT's on Lithuania level in their group. dire teams don't score 3 goals per game and it can only happen when you get drawn with teams like Andorra, Latvia and Faroe Islands in same group. Juventus will never play against such teams since there aren't any in Serie A. hell, there aren't such teams in Serie B.

I mean, if he failed to repeat the same now against Lazio and Atalanta, would that be considered as underperforming or what? serious question.

 

[RedRonaldo]

well, it's not like Argentina dismantled Burundi or Hong Kong and now you have bunch of Barca fans swarming that thread and saying "You see, Valverde? that's how it shoud be done." not a single sane person would do that yet it's happening here for some reason. personally, I never post here and I have no problems with fans praising their idols, but this has nothing do to with Ronaldo, it's about pure common sense. I wouldn't even post here if it weren't for those strange calls for Sarri/Allegri and Juventus. at this point I'm still not sure whether some of you are joking or simply pretending, or you actually aren't aware of the level of these national teams when comparing his games for Portugal with those in Juve shirt.

I still remember posts about Portugal before last WC and how dire and shit their football is, yet I also remember them dismantling pretty much every of those NT's on Lithuania level in their group. dire teams don't score 3 goals per game and it can only happen when you get drawn with teams like Andorra, Latvia and Faroe Islands. Juventus will never play against such teams since there aren't any in Serie A. hell, there aren't such teams in Serie B.

I mean, if he failed to repeat the same now against Lazio and Atalanta, would that be considered as underperforming or what?

Well you are over-over-analysising the situation. Like every other hat-tricks Ronaldo had scored over his career, we are simply here to enjoying the moment. No one is suggesting he has just scored the greatest hat trick ever and hence he is better than Messi. Rather, its just "enjoying the moment" type of thing, just like Messi fans did over scoring a hat-trick last week. But it really turn into a case of some haters here trying to bash Ronaldo at every chances, like they always do.

Its no denying his form in Serie A over past few games are bad. But its still early season, and he is still top scorer in Juventus. Let's wait a little longer than a few bad games to judge.

 

[Bole Top]

Well you are over-over-analysising the situation. Like every other hat-tricks Ronaldo had scored over his career, we are simply here to enjoying the moment. No one is suggesting he has just scored the greatest hat trick ever and hence he is better than Messi. Rather, its just enjoying the moment, just like Messi fans did over scoring hat-trick last week. It really is a case of some haters here strongly feel the need to bash Ronaldo at every chances, like they always do.

Its no denying his form in Serie A over past few games are bad. But its still early season, and he is still top scorer in Juventus. Let's wait a little longer than a few bad games to judge.

dude, I don't think a single word I wrote made it to you. no offence.

look:

Ronaldo scores hattrick against Lithuania -> his fan: "great, GOAT, maestro!" -> I don't write a single post in that case
Ronaldo scores hattrick against Lithuania -> his fan: "you see? it's Juve's fault because he doesn't score as much in Italy" -> in that case I debate.

it's simple.

nothing to do with hate or anything, more with pure common sense. it has also nothing to do with Messi btw.

 

[RedRonaldo]

dude, I don't think a single word I wrote made it to you. no offence.

look:

Ronaldo scores hattrick against Lithuania -> his fan: "great, GOAT, maestro!" -> I don't write a single post in that case
Ronaldo scores hattrick against Lithuania -> his fan: "it's Juve's fault because he doesn't score them in Italy" -> in that case I debate.

it's simple.

nothing to do with hate or anything, more with pure common sense.

No offence, but I've never raised such point, so there's nothing there to debate.
Not that I agree or disagree, but you are targeting the wrong person I'm afriad.