Rolaholic
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which is more than can be said for pathetic comments like thatit’s pure gold at this point
I've had the very dubious pleasure of being in a room with Morgan more than once... of course that's what this is aboutPiers what a twonk, Ronny hasn't had a run in the side?? Jeez he's played more than Martial? Piers listen to yourself ffs talking shite to get relevant again using Ronaldo to get back to being that.
So let me get this straight. One of the best professional footballers of all time, who has played at the top level for 21 years needs to be told that if his performances are not up to standard he won't be starting games ? and if he's not putting in the performances he'll be dropped ? and if not told that it's considered disrespectful ?That's a good point, but I think alternatives would have been found, if Ronaldo knew he wouldnt be a key first team player. Like they will be found in Jan, when its even more difficult to get a deal done. But that is guesswork on my part, yes. Anyway, I was addressing the "disrespect" thing, and my point was not about what happened over the summer.
Cut the patronizing. Dunno why an Arsenal fan is getting so triggered over this.
And you say another PL, another CL, like its so easy, when we have all seen how easy it is to fail at United as a manager. I have high hopes for Ten Hag, but I'm not a blind optimist, and will not count imaginary trophies in the future.
So you don't think they are above it and you don't feel Ronaldo was 'disrespected' but understand him feeling that he was? It's because people like you can 'understand' that feeling that they think it's right.Cool that's where we disagree. I'm not saying they are above that, but if anybody has the right to think they are, its them. Nobody else.
Even SAF forgave Rooney and brought him back after the City saga, do you think he would have done the same with a lesser player?
100% wins us the league if he stays for the rest of the season
white text but i actually believe it
He's not wrong about the state of the club but it's something fans know (and been vocal) for years. Criticizing old jacuzzi, swimming pool, chef feels like he's in for petty point and he doesn't even do it in constructive manner.
Ralf Rangick said it much better and actually offered solutions (sort of) but fanbase treated him as clueless old man so why is Ronaldo different?
It's no secret that club need to be modernized, fans know it. But is Ronaldo the key to it? At best case scenario, he's bringing him and Glazers down with this game of throne but don't pretend for a second that he put club's interest above his.
His fanboys think their idol has cracked the code and we're the clueless ones but they don't want to admit that this signing is the direct result of United's bad management. Ronaldo is part of the problems.
Sure, but Ronaldo has zero leverage. His only valid threat is that he can create a bad atmosphere with his whining. Not exactly compelling stuff.
I think there's quite a lot of difference between manager and whatever the hell Darren Ferguson is. For the record, I was against Ole becoming manager for many reasons - not least the mad idea that it would work when the similar tactic had failed time and again at places like Liverpool, Leeds and NewcastleYou could make the same argument with equating Fergie & Souness, one was a miles better player, but at the start of their post careers, no-one knows who’ll be a good manager, CEO (VdS), DoF’s (Overmars?) and who won’t. Lots of great players have turned into utter shite managers.
Plenty of clubs give jobs and titles to past players. Juve had Pirlo, United Ole. Both were shite.
For me, the only place it has worked consistently is Bayern. I think a few of the other names you mention were brought in by the manager himself or because they had previously had a good working relationship. Darren Ferguson, from my knowledge, had never even met ETH (or RR for that matter)...This kind of opinion always bothers me. Not saying Darren Fletcher is a world-class technical director (I don't even know what this job entails), BUT...
Edu (Arsenal), Hasan Salihamidzic (Muenchen), Marco Monti (Inter), Santiago Solari (Real Madrid), and Jordi Cruyff (Barcelona) are not exactly a world-beating players either. According to transfermarkt, Juventus even appoints Marco Storari as a Squad Leader. Wth is that?
Almost all historically great European football clubs are "old boys clubs," particularly Bayern Munich. At some point, Milan hired Christian Brocchi and Ajax hired Marcel Keizer as a manager, both are former players with less credentials than Darren Fletcher.
I agree to an extent but I'm willing to believe that he didn't know quite how far we'd fallen or quite what a huge mess we were/are in. I mean I had no idea what a state of disrepair Old Trafford itself had fallen in to until recently and I've followed the club virtually my whole life. I think he thought he could help get us out of it (which, of course, has much to do with a rather large ego)No. I’m not. I’m saying there is little point in him moaning about the Glazers now when he has been employed by them not once but twice. Now that I write that he’s probably the only person to be employed by them twice ??? I could be wrong though.
Additionally he didn’t need to be at United in the intervening years to know what the issues were. They are well known and well reported. What he is telling us isn’t some revelation or unreported news till now.
He’s piggy backing on to the issue to save some face.
Oh man, I didn't know that. He was my favorite to come in. Guess Gapko it is.Toney has been charged for betting breaches. Gapko should be achievable in January who shares the same agent as ten Haag.
Sure, but Ronaldo has zero leverage. His only valid threat is that he can create a bad atmosphere with his whining. Not exactly compelling stuff.
I think it’ll be “mutual termination” with zero pay off. Us threatening to sue him is the stick to get him to agree. If he fights it he can be stuck on gardening leave with no club for months.
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I think there are probably a lot worse examples than Salihamidzic. Seems OK-ish to me although of course in the Bundesliga, Bayern very rarely have any competition either in games or in pursuit of players, so you may be right and I was certainly hugely surprised when he got the job. I have watched Oliver Kahn with interest, however, because it's quite unusual for keepers to get any jobs including as managerI'm equating made up titles for ex-players, such as Special advisor to the President. In fact we don't need to go to made up titles, some of the current best clubs in the world gave key jobs to ex players that had zero experience and still haven't shown any sort of quality for the job. Exhibit A: Salihamidzic.
I will never be not amazed by how little some of you know about what happens outside of United.
If we were successful, the narrative would have been how bringing in an ex player who understood the club brought the players together, made them closer to the manager blah blah. The results decide the narrative just like the same thing does at Bayern because no one on Twitter or redcafe actually knows what Fletcher really did or the impact it had vs what it was supposed to have.This kind of opinion always bothers me. Not saying Darren Fletcher is a world-class technical director (I don't even know what this job entails), BUT...
Edu (Arsenal), Hasan Salihamidzic (Muenchen), Marco Monti (Inter), Santiago Solari (Real Madrid), and Jordi Cruyff (Barcelona) are not exactly a world-beating players either. According to transfermarkt, Juventus even appoints Marco Storari as a Squad Leader. Wth is that?
Almost all historically great European football clubs are "old boys clubs," particularly Bayern Munich. At some point, Milan hired Christian Brocchi and Ajax hired Marcel Keizer as a manager, both are former players with less credentials than Darren Fletcher.
That's not how it works.Some of the folks keep saying Ronaldo is dumb and hasn’t been advised. That is patently not true. It will not be a straightforward case.
He will argue he is merely saying what others have said re the Glazers.
His attack on the younger players are his opinions only and he said they are a product of the period.
Even his attack on ETH is premised on him being disrespected first.
You can say this is all BS which I agree as his intent is to force an exit, but from a legal standpoint he has defences.
I don't like Simon Jordan but it was satisfying to seem him destroy Piers and his shite journalism/pushing of Ronaldo's narrative uncontested.
Ben Foster said on his Youtube show the other day that there is technically nothing against the rules with slagging off your club or manager in the press. He said only hitting another player will get your contract terminated and basically nothing else.
You're literally saying that it's fine for some players to get picked on reputation. That's the last thing a sports team that wants to be successful should do. Is it fine to handicap ourselves and potentially lose more games to honour some player's legacy? Specially someone who spent their peak years playing at another club?I dont think he had a problem with coming on vs Spurs. What was disrespectful was giving him the VdB treatment, and just putting him on for 3 mins to waste time. Obviously, this is up for interpretation, but I think doing this to someone like Ronaldo or Messi is not right. Any other player, its fine. Yes they are not the same player they once were, but you have to honor their legacy in the game.
I think the only reason ETH kept Ronaldo was because he knew the board did not have funds for another CF. So he did the practical thing, and what was best for the club. The best scenario would have been if Ronaldo was told to leave in summer, because I have zero doubt he would have wasted 6 months of his very last days of football, if he knew ETH considered him a sub player. Dunno if other clubs were interested, but surely a solution would have been found, if they really wanted.
Good riddance. I hope all his fans follw him out.
Good riddance. I hope all his fans follw him out.