Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr

el3mel said:
You're absolutely hilarious. You realize you're not forced to reply back right ? You could have not posed this post if you don't want to waste your precious time any more. :lol: :lol:

Thanks for giving me a good laugh.
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Glad you find me hilarious mate. Stay on my leash :lol:
 
el3mel said:
This team didn't challenge for any big trophy, finished 2nd miles away from the top spot and was out of every competition bar Europe League in March. This team was going to collapse eventually and most of us saw it coming way before it happened.
Anyway, you like facts, I mentioned facts, this team finished 2nd but didn't challenge for the title and wasn't close to a title challenge either.
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21/22 season
6th by a hair with 56 points
last 16 in the CL
4 round of the FA cup (loss against Middlesbrough)
3 round in the Carabao
Scoring 72 and conceding 67 in 49 games
1,47 goals scored per game - 1,37 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +5 goals or +0,10 goals per match

equals:

20/21 season
2nd in the League with 74 points
Final in the EL
Q-final in the FA-cup
Semi final in the Carabao Cup
Scoring 121 goals and conceding 67 goals in 61 games goaldifference of +54 goals
1,98 goals scored per game - 1,10 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +54 goals or +0,88 goals per match
?

...or United in the PL this season before and after Ronaldo's last match against Villa:

Round 1 - 13: 13 games, 23 points, 18 goals scored and 19 goals conceded.
1,77 points per game
1,38 goals scored per game
1,46 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of -1 or -0,08 per game

Round 14 - 20: 7 games, 16 points, 14 goals scored and 6 goals conceded.
2,29 point per game
2,00 goals scored per game
0,86 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +8 or +1,14 per game
?

The man was a disaster for us on and off the pitch. Drama, drama, drama, me, me, me.....24/7
In the period he was here we scored on average more than half a goal less in every match compared to the periods before and after.
We also conceded between 0,27 and half a goal on average more every match compared the periods before and after.

That Piers interview is the best thing that's happened to us the last 9,5 years.
Focus on football is back and we're all pulling in the same direction again.

I don't believe anyone expected us to be challenging for the EPL or CL titles with the squad we had in 20/21 or have this season. Should have won the EL though, I'll give you that, but De Gea wouldn't have it.

Jog on ;)
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'm sorry - but I just have to say it:

No - it is not.

Because Cristiano Ronaldo was never anywhere near Ali in any shape or form.
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The comparison to Ali is actually quite apt. There are important differences between the two athletes though — Ali was a warrior for social justice and Ronaldo is not; Ali was an underdog at times and prevailed, whereas that’s never been the case with Ronaldo; Ali was abusive toward his opponents whereas Ronaldo has consistently been respectful toward his opponents.

But Ali and Ronaldo hung on too long and tarnished their reputations with their poor play in their last few years. That’s the comparison being made, nothing more, and in many other respects these two men have little in common.
 
meamth said:
This equivalent to Muhammad Ali's latter career, which is sad to see.

But who cares? He did that interview with Piers, there is no sympathy for me or majority of United fans and that is fair game.
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Ali had no money and that's why he agreed to these embarrassing and damaging fights at the end of his career. I doubt it would happen in 2020s that anyone would allow a man in his state to fight and be abused like this. Cristiano has all the money in the world and is not doing this well against his health. Not similar at all.
 
troylocker said:
21/22 season
6th by a hair with 56 points
last 16 in the CL
4 round of the FA cup (loss against Middlesbrough)
3 round in the Carabao
Scoring 72 and conceding 67 in 49 games
1,47 goals scored per game - 1,37 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +5 goals or +0,10 goals per match

equals:

20/21 season
2nd in the League with 74 points
Final in the EL
Q-final in the FA-cup
Semi final in the Carabao Cup
Scoring 121 goals and conceding 67 goals in 61 games goaldifference of +54 goals
1,98 goals scored per game - 1,10 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +54 goals or +0,88 goals per match
?

...or United in the PL this season before and after Ronaldo's last match against Villa:

Round 1 - 13: 13 games, 23 points, 18 goals scored and 19 goals conceded.
1,77 points per game
1,38 goals scored per game
1,46 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of -1 or -0,08 per game

Round 14 - 20: 7 games, 16 points, 14 goals scored and 6 goals conceded.
2,29 point per game
2,00 goals scored per game
0,86 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +8 or +1,14 per game
?

The man was a disaster for us on and off the pitch. Drama, drama, drama, me, me, me.....24/7
In the period he was here we scored on average more than half a goal less in every match compared to the periods before and after.
We also conceded between 0,27 and half a goal on average more every match compared the periods before and after.

That Piers interview is the best thing that's happened to us the last 9,5 years.
Focus on football is back and we're all pulling in the same direction again.

I don't believe anyone expected us to be challenging for the EPL or CL titles with the squad we had in 20/21 or have this season. Should have won the EL though, I'll give you that, but De Gea wouldn't have it.

Jog on ;)
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No one is arguing Ronaldo wasn't a disaster for United. That's not the point of the talk.

The point is contributing our entire down fall under Ole and Ralf to be due to Ronaldo joining which is just a very narrow sighted vision coming from one who probably either didn't watch Ole's United or was watching but was deluding himself the team is improving or going forward. This team wasn't good, it was flattering to deceive, and finishing 3rd and 2nd with only 66 and 74 points which is quite low is more of a proof the team wasn't really that good from the start.

Ole's United was going to collapse regardless. That doesn't contradict the fact Ronaldo's signing was a mistake or caused a lot of issues. He was definitely not the only reason United went down hill under Ole and then Ralf. That's trying to throw all your problems on the shoulder of one person because it feels good.
 
lex talionis said:
The comparison to Ali is actually quite apt.
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I would say it is not.

On the whole (that was the point).

If it's just about carrying on (not actually retiring) beyond a point where you really should have just retired, then yes.

But there's nothing genuinely tragic about seeing Cristiano Ronaldo fail to score in...South Arabia. He was never great enough to begin with to make it tragic.

That's the point.

He isn't on Ali's level in any shape or form (the idea that is he the greatest ever is ridiculous, nobody outside his Instagram fan club believes this).

It's a bit embarrassing, perhaps. To most (beyond his insane fan club) it's more amusing than anything. It clearly is not tragic, though - he is not, and never was, on a level which would make it so in the first place.
 
Second game was still an improvement on his proper debut though.

 
Chesterlestreet said:
I would say it is not.

On the whole (that was the point).

If it's just about carrying on (not actually retiring) beyond a point where you really should have just retired, then yes.

But there's nothing genuinely tragic about seeing Cristiano Ronaldo fail to score in...South Arabia. He was never great enough to begin with to make it tragic.

That's the point.

He isn't on Ali's level in any shape or form (the idea that is he the greatest ever is ridiculous, nobody outside his Instagram fan club believes this).

It's a bit embarrassing, perhaps. To most (beyond his insane fan club) it's more amusing than anything. It clearly is not tragic, though - he is not, and never was, on a level which would make it so in the first place.
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Yeah that's a bizarre comparison and pretty much gives away that someone hasn't watched any of Ali and doesn't have a grasp of his standing in boxing as well as his skill level. Ronaldo is nowhere near as good at football as Ali was in boxing. And he's as much of laughing stock as he is respected in football, never-mind being on the pedestal Ali was on; Ali was the biggest icon in the history of sports, beyond even Michael Jordan.

As you said, the majority of the viewing audience finds Ronaldo's current struggles hillarious. Ali had almost the entire boxing community in sorrow. Anyone even attempting to put Ronaldo in the same sentence as Ali just makes them look silly.
 
Ronaldo has truly been on a decline since 2015/16 season. His poaching kept him afloat since then. Once that timing was gone, it was the end.

Should have finished this season with us as a squad player while guiding younger teammates and gone into semiretirement with dignity wherever he wished.
 
troylocker said:
21/22 season
6th by a hair with 56 points
last 16 in the CL
4 round of the FA cup (loss against Middlesbrough)
3 round in the Carabao
Scoring 72 and conceding 67 in 49 games
1,47 goals scored per game - 1,37 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +5 goals or +0,10 goals per match

equals:

20/21 season
2nd in the League with 74 points
Final in the EL
Q-final in the FA-cup
Semi final in the Carabao Cup
Scoring 121 goals and conceding 67 goals in 61 games goaldifference of +54 goals
1,98 goals scored per game - 1,10 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +54 goals or +0,88 goals per match
?

...or United in the PL this season before and after Ronaldo's last match against Villa:

Round 1 - 13: 13 games, 23 points, 18 goals scored and 19 goals conceded.
1,77 points per game
1,38 goals scored per game
1,46 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of -1 or -0,08 per game

Round 14 - 20: 7 games, 16 points, 14 goals scored and 6 goals conceded.
2,29 point per game
2,00 goals scored per game
0,86 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +8 or +1,14 per game
?

The man was a disaster for us on and off the pitch. Drama, drama, drama, me, me, me.....24/7
In the period he was here we scored on average more than half a goal less in every match compared to the periods before and after.
We also conceded between 0,27 and half a goal on average more every match compared the periods before and after.

That Piers interview is the best thing that's happened to us the last 9,5 years.
Focus on football is back and we're all pulling in the same direction again.

I don't believe anyone expected us to be challenging for the EPL or CL titles with the squad we had in 20/21 or have this season. Should have won the EL though, I'll give you that, but De Gea wouldn't have it.

Jog on ;)
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Staggering drop-off when he joined, wasn't it? :lol:
 
el3mel said:
No one is arguing Ronaldo wasn't a disaster for United. That's not the point of the talk.

The point is contributing our entire down fall under Ole and Ralf to be due to Ronaldo joining which is just a very narrow sighted vision coming from one who probably either didn't watch Ole's United or was watching but was deluding himself the team is improving or going forward. This team wasn't good, it was flattering to deceive, and finishing 3rd and 2nd with only 66 and 74 points which is quite low is more of a proof the team wasn't really that good from the start.

Ole's United was going to collapse regardless. That doesn't contradict the fact Ronaldo's signing was a mistake or caused a lot of issues. He was definitely not the only reason United went down hill under Ole and then Ralf. That's trying to throw all your problems on the shoulder of one person because it feels good.
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He obviously wasn't the only reason, but he was the main reason.
When everything is changed to accomodate a 36 year old egomaniac and primadonna, who's game is no longer on top, who only makes offensive efforts on the pitch and makes a lot of drama and noise when he doesn't get his way, you ain't going anywhere good.

His presence had a huge negative impact and stole a lot of focus from what was important both on and off the pitch. I don't think we've ever had a more divided and split squad than we had the 15 months he was here. Even more than at the end of the Toxic one's reign.
 
mshnsh said:
Ronaldo has truly been on a decline since 2015/16 season. His poaching kept him afloat since then. Once that timing was gone, it was the end.

Should have finished this season with us as a squad player while guiding younger teammates and gone into semiretirement with dignity wherever he wished.
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Lots of the recent lists have him way outside the top 30. And he's been dropping (ranked 51st here by the Guardian, in their list).
 
Ladron de redcafe said:


Lots of the recent lists have him way outside the top 30. And he's been dropping (ranked 51st here by the Guardian, in their list).
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If we are honest and critical, he’s not in the top 500 anymore.
 
FreakyJim said:
for his blatant disrespect
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Who did tenHag disrespect and in what way?

rimaldo said:
where to start? sorry for forcing the undisputed goat out of the door by not picking him?

sorry for playing stupid mind games and distracting ronaldo from his world cup, forcing his performances to drop a few notches (he’s only human) and allowing that worm messi to sneak in and win an undeserving crown. well done ten hag, ruining the last world cup that actually matters. they’re all irrelevant now without ronaldo.

sorry for giving the worm fanboys ammunition to claim their steroid team needer is the best of all time (news flash, he’s closer to the worst (gary neville.))

sorry for being jealous of ronaldo’s fashion sense and copying his style in that chess advert with the worm and wearing turtle necks the whole time.

sorry for forcing ronaldo to do an interview like a captive, detailing just how bad things are under ten hag and then using his media pull and illuminati ties to twist every word and make ronaldo seem like the bad guy.

ten hag never even came out and said ronaldo was the best ever. he never came out and criticised the worm. he never once played ronaldo in a way that meant he could score the goals he deserved.

imagine having to go back to your family after a long day and tell them you didn’t score today because a man with no hair was jealous of your hair and turtle neck? imagine going to the office and not being able to siuuu every time an excel formula didn’t return a hashtag error. imagine coming home to your wife and breaking down in tears when she asked you how your day was because a bald man didn’t let you siuuu on your lunch break? “sorry for what?” he says. jeez.

p.s i am not into discussion = will not reply back
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Thank you. I was going to ask if you are serious or not but you don’t want to discuss so I take that you just want to joke.

always_hoping said:
Curious also. Ronaldo should have said sorry for doing that interview with that gobshite Morgan and accept he's a squad player whereby he could have featured in the cup games.

Edit* rimaldo has since replied, a deluded fanboy it seems and no more needs to be said there.
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I respect his opinion. But I do wonder if this is some joke I don’t get.
 
McGrathsipan said:
There was no succession plan.
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And Gill said there was. The new man, he said, would be a top coach with experience winning trophies and with European competition. This was a few seasons before Fergie called it a day. They had time to implement that plan. They appointed Moyes. So what happened? Did Gill tell us a whopping great pork pie? A lot of us wondered if the club would make the same error they did when Matt retired and they did.
 
Can see the manager already having digs at Ronaldo. How long before a new interview with piers Morgan?
 
troylocker said:
21/22 season
6th by a hair with 56 points
last 16 in the CL
4 round of the FA cup (loss against Middlesbrough)
3 round in the Carabao
Scoring 72 and conceding 67 in 49 games
1,47 goals scored per game - 1,37 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +5 goals or +0,10 goals per match

equals:

20/21 season
2nd in the League with 74 points
Final in the EL
Q-final in the FA-cup
Semi final in the Carabao Cup
Scoring 121 goals and conceding 67 goals in 61 games goaldifference of +54 goals
1,98 goals scored per game - 1,10 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +54 goals or +0,88 goals per match
?

...or United in the PL this season before and after Ronaldo's last match against Villa:

Round 1 - 13: 13 games, 23 points, 18 goals scored and 19 goals conceded.
1,77 points per game
1,38 goals scored per game
1,46 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of -1 or -0,08 per game

Round 14 - 20: 7 games, 16 points, 14 goals scored and 6 goals conceded.
2,29 point per game
2,00 goals scored per game
0,86 goals conceded per game
Goaldifference of +8 or +1,14 per game
?

The man was a disaster for us on and off the pitch. Drama, drama, drama, me, me, me.....24/7
In the period he was here we scored on average more than half a goal less in every match compared to the periods before and after.
We also conceded between 0,27 and half a goal on average more every match compared the periods before and after.

That Piers interview is the best thing that's happened to us the last 9,5 years.
Focus on football is back and we're all pulling in the same direction again.

I don't believe anyone expected us to be challenging for the EPL or CL titles with the squad we had in 20/21 or have this season. Should have won the EL though, I'll give you that, but De Gea wouldn't have it.

Jog on ;)
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Only PL is more than enough for me

20/21: 38 games, 73 goals, 74 points, 2nd
21/22: 38 games, 57 goals, 58 points, 6th

First 3 games last season, without him, 7 goals scored (5 against Leeds, 1 each against Southampton and Wolves).
Remaining 35 games in the PL, United scored mighty 50 goals!!
He scored 18.
10 of those goals came in 4 games, 2 hattricks (Spurs and Norwich) and 2 goals vs Newcastle and Arsenal each.
That is 18 goals he scored in 12 games.
He played 30 games in the PL.

Also, had a period of 8 games scoring only one goal.

English media, ex players, and his fanbois: "Without him and his 18 goals, United ends 10th..."
 
Mindhunter said:
Not him. Ferguson did it all by himself. “Cut from the same cloth”, they said.
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MTF said:
I mainly blame SAF for that, though. It seems like the succession plan was decided by him pretty much alone.
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I'd mainly blame Ed Woodward and the other clueless business men who were the ones that appointed him. Ferguson is in honorary position and doesn't or didn't have to power to appoint managers.
 
Moriarty said:
And Gill said there was. The new man, he said, would be a top coach with experience winning trophies and with European competition. This was a few seasons before Fergie called it a day. They had time to implement that plan. They appointed Moyes. So what happened? Did Gill tell us a whopping great pork pie? A lot of us wondered if the club would make the same error they did when Matt retired and they did.
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Moyes Was knee Jerk given SAF retired quite suddenly in the end.
SAF should have had his successor on his lap for two seasons before he retired if there was a plan
 
So across Utd, Portugal national team and Saudi Arabia he has 4 goals for the entire season so far.

2 of them penalties. Shockingly bad.

Also, there isn't a chance he's the 51st best player in the world. Not even close, he shouldn't be anywhere near a top 100.
 
They couldn’t find a single positive to say in the write up.

All good things must come to an end, they say, and this was the year that Cristiano Ronaldo fell out of the top 10 for the first time since these rankings were introduced in 2012. A two-time winner of the Guardian’s top 100, the Portuguese drops to 51st in a year that included a fallout with Erik ten Hag and Manchester United, that Piers Morgan interview and a rather chastening World Cup, during which he was criticised by his coach, Fernando Santos, for his reaction to being substituted against South Korea and then benched. The 37-year-old joined Saudi Arabian club Al Nassr in December. Marcus Christenson
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Compared to, say, Otamendi who took the 100th spot.

On our list for the first time, the 34-year-old can look back at a wildly successful 2022 that was crowned by the World Cup victory in December. The former Manchester City defender started every game and played every minute in Qatar, the coach, Lionel Scaloni, sticking by him despite the opening defeat against Saudi Arabia. At club level Otamendi played an integral part as Benfica finished third in 2021-22. The club then went on to win their Champions League group ahead of PSG and Juventus. His coach, Roger Schmidt, is a fan and recently said the club are keen to extend the veteran’s contract. Marcus Christenson
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Judge Red said:
They couldn’t find a single positive to say in the write up.



Compared to, say, Otamendi who took the 100th spot.
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The amazing thing is Ronaldo and his fans will see his placing as an insult, when in reality it's merciful as feck.
 
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