Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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Just been reading the BBC'S article on his potential departure. It seems odd as although he has unfortunately become one of the many serious problems at the club, it also reads like the hierarchy trying to deflect from the endless list of other problems by thinking people will be fooled that the poor performances are essentially down to his presence alone and that him leaving would somehow result in this dramatic turnaround in fortunes.
 
altodevil said:
Maybe - I also think our current crop are quick to blame anyone but themselves. Ronaldo for all his faults actually cares about results and winning. Not sure if that's the kind of mentality we want to be losing.
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From the second he's arrived here it all went to shit though. Even this pre season. Good mood in the camp instantly gone to shit when he arrived. Everyone cares about winning and results. With Ronaldo it's 100% about himself though and separating himself from the team when things don't go well. That's a horrible thing to have in your team, someone who thinks they're above it (despite also playing like shit).

I don't care who the player is, if he doesn't want to be at the club and doesn't see himself as part of the team, then they are a toxic presence to the others. It is always true.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
My opinion that Ronaldo is one of the most famous people alive?

What can I do if people dislike the truth?
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No, you suggested that he was the most famous with maybe Trump. Him being one of the most famous isn't a debate, he is definitely somewhere in the top 100.
 
redcucumber said:
Dalot is pretty senior at this point, he starts every game and plays for Portugal. He's only a year younger than Rashford who I reckon you'd include as a senior player. But fair enough.
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In terms of importance and importance, Dalot is most likely in the lowest group
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I would argue with The Queen, Beiber and Obama.

In fact Trump is more famous than Obama (probably says something about the internet but I won't get into that). The Queen is interesting because it's a position as well as a person. Anyway that is definitely a more current list than George Clooney and Phil Collins so wouldn't argue too much.
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None of these people listed could write Another Day in Paradise, mind.
 
JPRouve said:
No, you suggested that he was the most famous with maybe Trump. Him being one of the most famous isn't a debate, he is definitely somewhere in the top 100.
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Yes I think he probably is in the top 3 or 4 personally. Either way don't you think that looking at your post the differential is a bit pedantic and a very strange reason for so many people to get so upset.
 
steffyr2 said:
Seriously, what awful thing has he done to his teammates, do you think?
I'm thinking it's making them feel bad about eating pudding for dessert, and they want to get back to that.
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Its just a toxic presence, and when it's someone as big as Ronaldo, obviously it has a big impact. Someone who all the focus is always on, yet will always complain about not getting his way, someone who doesn't see himself as part of the team, someone who wants out of the club, someone who separates himself from the others after a bad result and puts the blame on the rest as if he is above them.

On the pitch as well - the guy does feck all. He walks around, he does nothing defensively, he's never been a good #9 anyway (let alone at 37)... He's just a bad player to have in the team right now and it's causing problems. The others aren't suited to him at all either. Problems arose with him in the team pretty early on after joining and it's all gone to shit. Pre season mood was decent, and then coincidentally all turned into a shit show the second he came back into the picture.
 
Cargsy said:
The way the man is being scapegoated through the media and club leaks is disgusting. If he leaves and individual performances don't dramatically improve throughout the team, there are no more excuses or anyone for them to hide behind.
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He's not THE problem. THE problem are the Glazers. He's is one of many, many, many smaller problems which cumulatively have added to another gigantic problem - the squad in it's entirety. They're psychologically done on a level rarely seen.

Ronaldo and the rest of them have to go. Whether he's the first out, last out or inbetween, he's got to get the hell out. It will not make the team any better at all, but the squad needs the deepest of deep cleans.
 
I mean surely Donald Trump is the most famous. Vastly prefer this conversation to all previous ones in this thread.

Had to be the Donald now though, doesn't it? Ronaldo definitely makes the top 10.
 
He is not wrong for wanting to leave. Anyone would if you are one of the best players in the history of football playing amongst…this.

HOWEVER, there is a professional way to go about it that involves NOT publicly disgracing your club and teammates. He is not the first or last player to stand out amongst a pile of crap.
 
phelans shorts said:
He did also write the line “‘my momma don’t like you and she like everyone” which makes up for it somewhat
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I think Mr Ed Sheeran wrote that one, didn't he? Another contender for most famous I spose.

Edit: Surely he is the most famous ginger anyway? After Ronaldo Mcdonald possibly.
 
SER19 said:
Has to go im afraid. Would give ten hag authority among players and the hassle isn't worth it for one more season. Get in the atletico guy and one more cheap short term option like vardy, and just accept that it's an essential part of rebuilding this team
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Ronaldo has to go, yes, but please no more stop gaps.
Work with what we got till the right longterm prospect at the right age appears.
 
JPRouve said:
I'll give you a fairly simple example in french speaking Africa, on TV you have/had access to foreign games mainly through Canal Horizon which is the same package that gives you access to american movies and TV shows. So here the key point becomes the timeframe. Then it's also worth mentioning that in Africa people have VHS, DVDs and USB of movies and they watch them a lot.

Some of you are acting as if poorer counties are culturally detached from the west, that's completely wrong.
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Fair enough but that’s a very specific example. I’m speaking more broader.
What about kids or people in regions that have no access to TV and maybe just access to basic radio? They can tune in and listen to games of teams and hear of how good Ronaldo was. And when these kids then go play football, they probably know someone that have seen him play and know about the hype and is copying his style. The others then join in and you have a number of kids trying to be like Ronaldo. Or what about football shirts that some these kids would have gotten or been donated with his name on the back? Or stickerbooks etc.
Ronaldo definitely has a wider reach than someone like Tom Cruise.

EDIT: Wasn’t there a kid involved in the 2004 Tsunami that was spotted in a documentary wearing Ronaldo’s jersey (when he was nowhere as famous as he is today) and Ronaldo then found him and put him in Sporting’s academy?

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/tsunami-boy-found-wearing-ronaldo-jersey-in-2004-now-signed-by-club/
 
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Offside said:
I’m all for selling him but I can’t be arsed with us buying either some no mark to replace him, or fecking Vardy or somebody which is insanity. The other alternative is Martial, also can’t be arsed with him.

Really Ronaldo should have been left out the squad until the window closes, as he was in 08/09 (that injury stuff was bollocks) to avoid disruption. Bad call to include him in the team when he wants out. He’s going to sulk about to try and force a move.
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What can Martial or any of our other strikers do that Vardy can’t? You guys have a habit of turning your noses up at all these players, only for them to have Maguire and co. firmly placed in their back pockets when they face us.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Yes I think he probably is in the top 3 or 4 personally. Either way don't you think that looking at your post the differential is a bit pedantic and a very strange reason for so many people to get so upset.
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Impossible to conduct such research but I have little doubt that if you did a global survey something like “link the name of a person with its face” or “have you ever heard of X” Ronaldo would be much more recognizable than Hollywood stars and would come in top3. Perhaps Trump and pope Francis beat him.
 
Somebody should start a new thread about this "Fame" discussion.

It's actually quite interesting but not really on topic.

Your fan base is a divided mess right now.

It's going to be like the RR departure if he leaves , every win his detractors will say "See look what happens when we get rid of Ronaldo" and every loss his supporters will say the same.
 
MrEleson said:
Fair enough but that’s a very specific example. I’m speaking more broader.
What about kids or people in regions that have no access to TV and maybe just access to basic radio? They can tune in and listen to games of teams and hear of how good Ronaldo was. And when these kids then go play football, they probably know someone that have seen him play and know about the hype and is copying his style. The others then join in and you have a number of kids trying to be like Ronaldo. Or what about football shirts that some these kids would have gotten or been donated with his name on the back? Or stickerbooks etc.
Ronaldo definitely has a wider reach than someone like Tom Cruise.
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No one said that Ronaldo was unknown which is seemingly the point that you are trying to defend. The point was that it's ludicrous to suggest that Ronaldo is the single most famous person on the planet at the exception of maybe Trump.
 
Sara125 said:
What can Martial or any of our other strikers do that Vardy can’t? You guys have a habit of turning your noses up at all these players, only for them to have Maguire and co. firmly placed in their back pockets when they face us.
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Whether they’re better than Martial or whether they run us ragged when they face us, neither are a reason to buy them.
 
Sara125 said:
What can Martial or any of our other strikers do that Vardy can’t? You guys have a habit of turning your noses up at all these players, only for them to have Maguire and co. firmly placed in their back pockets when they face us.
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Pass the ball and dribble.
 
JPRouve said:
No one said that Ronaldo was unknown which is seemingly the point that you are trying to defend. The point was that it's ludicrous to suggest that Ronaldo is the single most famous person on the planet at the exception of maybe Trump.
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I’m not saying he is necessarily the most famous person on the planet. But it isn’t far fetched to say he’s up there. He’s more famous than a lot of the Hollywood actors/actresses being mentioned on the planet as a WHOLE even though they they’re more famous in America and surrounding countries.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
I hope that's bullshit. I hope he's a toxic cnut and that things will improve when we get him out.
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And what if it doesnt? Who do we blame then? If the remaining players still dont perform? Who is to blame next? Ten Hag being to harsh on them?
 
Reapersoul20 said:
I mean surely Donald Trump is the most famous. Vastly prefer this conversation to all previous ones in this thread.

Had to be the Donald now though, doesn't it? Ronaldo definitely makes the top 10.
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I reckon Donald, the Pope and Ronaldo are the father, son and Holy Ghost of this discussion.
 
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