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Go on then who do you think wanted him?
Al Hilal (Saudi) wanted him.
Sporting wanted him but their manager threatened to quit...
So Sporting didn't want him then (as in made an offer)
The club would have bitten the hands off a Saudi offer if he was willing to go.
Sporting denied being in any negotiations concerning Ronaldo (the player himself also denied it). The manager denied any claims that he threatened to quit if Ronaldo joined.
Jesus Christ. The circus around this man is at an all time high. I hate it as a fan of him, always have, but since last year, the combination of him coming back with an even grater status + the British media means it comes to times where it's almost insufferable to just try and enjoy the goddamn man for his football (regardless of whether he then ends up perfoming or not on the pitch, for me).
The guy must print an insane amount of ad money for the news outlets, cause they can't just let him go for 24 hours. He didn't play today. Just leave him and Ten Hag alone for a single match day. I hate the incessant asking about Ronaldo to Ten Hag, which honest to God has way more important things to do than to answer the same question every time Ronaldo doesn't start. His answer today makes no sense whatsoever to be fair, but I'm giving him a pass because he's just trying to be politcally correct and has to find 101 ways to answer the same question every 2 weeks. It made zero sense for Ronaldo to start today, for many other reasons other than just past performances or current form. Even when we reduced to 4-1, I still thought it made zero sense to bring him on. It's the worst game possible to start Ronaldo in, City eats all the possession, teams don't create many chances against them, etc, etc, I was never expecting him to start and Ten Hag made the right call. Then he has to say things like he did today to the media, because if he's just honest and upfront about it, a bigger media storm forms where there's none to be had in the first place. Kudos on Ten Hag for knowing this was a game that's really not made for Ronnie.
Then Keane, as much as I absolutely agree with everything he says about Ronaldo, and I really do cause I think he really speaks out a lot of the same thoughts I think of myself, just decides to pull out the "United are disrepectful to Ronaldo" ace card out of his, well, y'know, arese, putting himself on a dicussion level worthy of a lot of posters in this Redcafe thread. You couldn't tell the difference with that sentence, could've been a poster here saying that. C'mon Keane, you can't tell me you don't know what's it like to be in a dressing room....Like things are so simple that you can just reduce things to a single word/feeling. I get disappointed with him because it's hot take at the worst game possible, THE game in a season where it literally makes every sense to not play Ronaldo. About subbing subbing him in, and for a guy who played with him and I can really notice has watched him regularly over the years, that has my respect because I do think he really knows well how Ronaldo plays, what his weaknesses and his strengths are, how his mind works, I'm baffled he'd even think bringing Ronaldo in would change something while being 3 goals down. It's a bad, bad take to come out with the disrespectful card on a day like today, too much of an emotional hot take.´
It's just a mess, and it extrapolates to everywhere, including this thread. Which is a shame cause what I really love is when we get some really nice footalling discussion going on in here, whether negative or positive. I also feel a bit bad about Ten Hag having to deal with all of this too, when he really just made a right call. I'm so sorry for the rant, promise it's an exception from me.
The guy must print an insane amount of ad money for the news outlets, cause they can't just let him go for 24 hours. He didn't play today. Just leave him and Ten Hag alone for a single match day. I hate the incessant asking about Ronaldo to Ten Hag, which honest to God has way more important things to do than to answer the same question every time Ronaldo doesn't start. His answer today makes no sense whatsoever to be fair, but I'm giving him a pass because he's just trying to be politcally correct and has to find 101 ways to answer the same question every 2 weeks. It made zero sense for Ronaldo to start today, for many other reasons other than just past performances or current form. Even when we reduced to 4-1, I still thought it made zero sense to bring him on. It's the worst game possible to start Ronaldo in, City eats all the possession, teams don't create many chances against them, etc, etc, I was never expecting him to start and Ten Hag made the right call. Then he has to say things like he did today to the media, because if he's just honest and upfront about it, a bigger media storm forms where there's none to be had in the first place. Kudos on Ten Hag for knowing this was a game that's really not made for Ronnie.
Then Keane, as much as I absolutely agree with everything he says about Ronaldo, and I really do cause I think he really speaks out a lot of the same thoughts I think of myself, just decides to pull out the "United are disrepectful to Ronaldo" ace card out of his, well, y'know, arese, putting himself on a dicussion level worthy of a lot of posters in this Redcafe thread. You couldn't tell the difference with that sentence, could've been a poster here saying that. C'mon Keane, you can't tell me you don't know what's it like to be in a dressing room....Like things are so simple that you can just reduce things to a single word/feeling. I get disappointed with him because it's hot take at the worst game possible, THE game in a season where it literally makes every sense to not play Ronaldo. About subbing subbing him in, and for a guy who played with him and I can really notice has watched him regularly over the years, that has my respect because I do think he really knows well how Ronaldo plays, what his weaknesses and his strengths are, how his mind works, I'm baffled he'd even think bringing Ronaldo in would change something while being 3 goals down. It's a bad, bad take to come out with the disrespectful card on a day like today, too much of an emotional hot take.´
It's just a mess, and it extrapolates to everywhere, including this thread. Which is a shame cause what I really love is when we get some really nice footalling discussion going on in here, whether negative or positive. I also feel a bit bad about Ten Hag having to deal with all of this too, when he really just made a right call. I'm so sorry for the rant, promise it's an exception from me.
Pretty much. Keane is very entertaining but his reasoning is pretty basic. I laughed when I heard him say a United player should have fouled a City player. That's his solution whenever United lose: "Be braver and foul more"
To be fair, a lot of players has scored more goals than Ronaldo at the same age (at around age 21-22) as Ronaldo wasn’t even a striker/goalscorer at that age yet.
This thread needs some siuuuu moments, it’s a tough read 
Yes Haaland has always been a CF and Ronaldo hasn't, but pointing out how many goals they had scored at age X when the discussion is about Ronaldo's goal scoring record and whether Haaland will end up beating it isn't weird, futile or some apples&oranges comparison at all. In fact to not compare their goal records like that would be the weird thing here.
Don’t you think it’s still too early to make such comparison? For example, due to injuries last season he only scored 25 goals. To beat Ronaldo’s record, it doesn’t just a few outstanding season, it takes over 15 years of fit, consistent and outstanding seasons to do so. A few more seasons similar to last one, he would probably be out of contention. We also don’t know how he would end up at age 30+. Usually players who rely heavily on physical strength and pace, would struggle harder during their 30s (ie Rooney).
Haaland might have a decent chance of matching Ronaldo’s record in 15 years or so, if everything’s going the perfect way for him, but comparing any young striker’s goal record with Ronaldo at around age 21 (32 goals), would be rather pointless, as it would make a lot of player being a contender too. One example is Fowler, who had 85 goals when he was 21, nearly 3 times as many as Ronaldo at same age. I don’t even want to start mentioning L.Ronaldo. There are lots of factors to decide those goals records.
However, as of now, I think it’s worth discussing whether Haaland could match/beat Messi goal record in single season.
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Thank you for explaining it better. Sometimes I think my non-native English causes misunderstandings.
Name the options because every club was debying interest left, r8ght and center.
His being the goat is a red herring. The bloke is almost 38 and past it. What mayters is is usefulness now and the coach has deemed it not good enough.
If Ronaldo was so sure about leaving, he should have bought his contract out. The interested club would have paid him back.
His being the goat is a red herring. The bloke is almost 38 and past it. What mayters is is usefulness now and the coach has deemed it not good enough.
If Ronaldo was so sure about leaving, he should have bought his contract out. The interested club would have paid him back.
Keane is full of it, if teams were genuinely interested, Ronaldo wouldn’t be at United, period. Ronaldo is facing a very cold hard truth this season.
I usually agree with Keane but he's speaking a lot of waffle here.
If he had options he would have left.
If anything Keane is showing disrespect to ETH, cause ETH is a manager and its his decision if he'll play Ronaldo or not, respect doesn't have anything to do with it.
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This thread needs some siuuuu moments, it’s a tough read
Maybe when United get his insane wages off the books the fans can celebrate again
All right, he'll take down all Ronaldos records.
Ronaldo should be grateful he didn't start considering the form he's in. He'd have been exposed as completely done had we lost with him on the pitch without scoring. The fact he doesn't start now leaves question marks in people's minds who are desperate to believe prime ronaldo still exists
Haaland can be compared to the Real Madrid version of Cristiano where he essentially was a forward and scored the exact same type of goals Haaland is currently scoring. At United in his first stint, Ronaldo played more as a winger.
It's just a topic of conversation and with the numbers Haaland has been putting up these sort of things are going to be brought up, I don't get why so many are having a problem with that. It's not like a million other footballers haven't been compared like this before.
Nah you're all good. I think some people in here are just being a bit over-protective of our dear Ronnie.
Rashford was horrible yesterday but he has done well for EtH let's not rewrite things, he was just voted player of the month.
Let’s not overplay the POTM either - he got 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 games.
Not exactly a storming month to be honest.
Keane talking a lot of shite really, I can understand why the club didn’t sell him, all the offers were terrible for United financially. Give him away for free on loan, pay the wages and pay €100 million for Osimhen for example. Or buy out Ronaldo’s contract of €20 million to lose a player instead of gaining a player. All options were terrible bar the Saudi offer and Ronaldo didn’t want to take that one.
Keane is exactly like the Ronaldo fanboys you see. This summer was the second time Ronaldo has completely disrespected United and tried to have himself sold and we should show HIM respect? Hilarious.
I get its Ronaldo and he's one of the greatest players but people seem to forget that he's 37 and not in form. The fact that he was one of the greatest players doesnt cancel out the second part. No player has a God given right to play no matter what. You dont bench Ronaldo was true at one time but at some point he and everyone else needs to realize that isnt true anymore. He wouldnt be a guaranteed starter at any other top team. Heck even Jesus would be starting ahead of him at Arsenal a lot. Can he come back and bag a load of goals for us? Sure why not. Is he undroppable? Definitely not.
Every great player sees when they are declining and accepts that they are not quite at it. Its just a fact of life. If Ronaldo is pissed that he isnt a guaranteed starter at 37 and in poor form then he's delusional.
Every great player sees when they are declining and accepts that they are not quite at it. Its just a fact of life. If Ronaldo is pissed that he isnt a guaranteed starter at 37 and in poor form then he's delusional.
Sure you are free so such comparison, no matter how naive it sounds. It’s just like saying L.Ronaldo would beat Pele’s record when he was just 21-22, nothing wrong there, except it’s just way too early to make such claim. No need to be over-protective of yourself when people are pointing out how naive it sounds to make such early comparison.
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You're name is RedRonald, how can you be objective? There is nothing naïve about the possibility of Haaland breaking every single one of Ronaldo's record. he scored 86 in 89 appearances last season in an inferior team.
He's scored 17 goals 2, hattricks in just 11 games. Not even prime ronaldo at madrid or man utd was doing those numbers. His best return was 53 goals for Real. Haaland does those numbers every season in his sleep.
Classic example of if you can’t deal with argument, go for ridiculing the names.
Look I didn’t say he couldn’t beat Ronaldo record in future, in fact he is by far my favourite player from new generationat the moment. but I am just pointing out its naive to suggest at this early stage, as he is still around 600 goals behind. He is known to be injury prone (last season only scored 25), while very few striker with his style (pace+strength) shines past their 30+, these are both valid arguments.
Although I think this season he may challenge for Messi’s record first (most goals in a single season). Maybe 10 years from now, we could start discussing him challenging Ronaldo‘s career goal record.
He isn't really injury prone, Dortmund's medical team is just simply one of the worst in football. There are multitude of players consistently picking up regular injuries there in last few seasons like Giovanni Reyna, Schelmezer, Moukoko, Dan Axel Zagadou because the medical team there are crap. Before that it was Goetz who kept getting injured there until his career nosedived due to injuries
Pep is known for reducing player injuries, he did it with a young messi and I have no doubt he will lesson Haaland getting injured as he always works with the best medics in the game.
A serious injury is the only thing stopping haaland from overtaking ronaldo except maybe ballo'rds as that is out of his hands. But goals, assists, he will make ronaldo's record at club level a distant memory in the next 5-7 years
I think most people are still unsure about him being injury prone or not, as he has been on and off having trouble with many minor injuries over past 2-3 seasons.
Whereas apart from serious injury, I think the toughest part is to remain being consistent over next 12-15 years, and staying relevant when he reaches his 30+ years of age. No one could foresee those at this point.
To make Ronaldo’s club record a distant memory in 5-7 years time, he would need to score 100+ goals per season, including 20+ CL goals per season. Ridiculous isn’t it? If you believe so.
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You’re not being objective either as you can’t even get the facts right. Firstly, prime Ronaldo for Man Utd was far from being primarily a goalscorer like Halaand is right now (a pure #9).
Secondly, “prime Ronaldo” at Real Madrid got these kind of numbers in most of his season there and even better:
Thirdly, his record goals for Madrid is actually 61 goals in all comps not 53. And he scored more than 60 goals in two separate seasons and scored 50+ goals in 6 seasons in a row (only player in history to do this). I can’t grasp why people are quickly trying to downplay Ronaldo’s feats now Halaand is around.
People getting stressed because Haaland might eclipse some of the scoring stats of Messi and Ronaldo is amusing. Their incredible numbers are still incredible but the main striker of a modern super team can score at historically stupid rates, as shown by so many current goalscorers being so high up in the all time lists.
Conclusion, don't make stats the be all and end all of judging a player, context matters.
Conclusion, don't make stats the be all and end all of judging a player, context matters.
He's right. Believe me when I say I'm very aware how gash of a general performer Rashford typically is but his production was literally a big ingredient in why we won those games. Saying the decision hasn't paid off is nonsense. Those 3 goals yesterday came from the scorers creating for themselves. Subbing someone else (martial) in place of Ronaldo literally got us 2 goals and people like Keane think this is a good time to second guess the decision. Like could they have picked a worse time to bring this up? This is what happens when sentiment replaces thinking. Just so the match can maybe finish 6-0 and the players behind him can get chewed out for not getting him the ball in his spots.
But perhaps the biggest value of picking anyone over Ronaldo is not having to play through him gives us a fighting chance to win games when he isn't playing well or maybe also when the CBs are on top of their game. I can't even imagine Antony taking that shot if Ronaldo was the one making a run. Good luck if it doesn't go in. One death stare is usually all it takes for them to fall back to the predictable Ronaldo system.
Comparing goal records is fine when they are both goal scorers but a more realistic comparison is to compare them at the end of their careers.
But to say Haaland has scored this many more goals than Ronaldo by the age of 22 is just pure silly. Because Haaland has played as striker for the whole of his career. Ronaldo hadn’t. Ronaldo didn’t start playing striker regularly till he was into his later 20’s. At Utd he never played striker regularly. Only on certain occasions in big games.
The comparison is so out of context it’s meaningless.
More than anything, it just highlights how phenomenal Ronaldo’s goal scoring record is considering he didn’t even start of as striker in his first half of his career.
Pretty much this. The stat comparisons at a certain age between the two are silly.
I still think Haaland will break all sorts of records. I’m not convinced he’ll have the longevity to beat Ronaldo/Messi records but that doesn’t change the fact that I think he could end up being the greatest striker I’ve seen after R9 in my lifetime.
As much as i love Keano, his comments after that United were disrespecting Ronnie by not letting him go... Im not so sure about that. half wrong half right..
Most of the main transfer sources we usually trust all said the same thing. His agent offered him to every other CL team and no one was interested for whatever reason. plus he left it very late to decide to leave & he never bothered showing up for pre season... Respect goes both ways..
But i do agree with Roy that if we are going to keep him, might aswell use him.. i actually thought he would play a big part yesterday. Im hoping he gets decent run outs in europa & vs everton and Newcastle.. give martial the europa games to get up to speed too
Most of the main transfer sources we usually trust all said the same thing. His agent offered him to every other CL team and no one was interested for whatever reason. plus he left it very late to decide to leave & he never bothered showing up for pre season
... Respect goes both ways.. But i do agree with Roy that if we are going to keep him, might aswell use him.. i actually thought he would play a big part yesterday. Im hoping he gets decent run outs in europa & vs everton and Newcastle.. give martial the europa games to get up to speed too
Are you saying that in 5-7 years, Haaland will have scored more club level goals than Ronaldo has in his career?!
The notion he's better than our current option and is hence being mistreated is garbage nonsense. Sometimes I think we will agree with anything as long as it's said passionately.
Keane was just talking about this lot throwing the next manager under the bus yet he's the one throwing the manager for not backing one of our worst attacking performers. Ronaldo plays bad enough when there's service, he would offer nothing in a game we legit got choked. This is made extra ridiculous when you realise our actual striker sub scored 2 of the 3 goals. That's now how many goals and assists from the position?
This is pure sentimentality agenda bs. Of all the things you could have nitpicked from yesterday you chose the one that has been panning out all season. Yeah let's hang the manager for not wanting to flush the first month of his tenure to back Ronaldo. Let him find form after the sack has been decided. Did wonders for Rangnick.
Keane was just talking about this lot throwing the next manager under the bus yet he's the one throwing the manager for not backing one of our worst attacking performers. Ronaldo plays bad enough when there's service, he would offer nothing in a game we legit got choked. This is made extra ridiculous when you realise our actual striker sub scored 2 of the 3 goals. That's now how many goals and assists from the position?
This is pure sentimentality agenda bs. Of all the things you could have nitpicked from yesterday you chose the one that has been panning out all season. Yeah let's hang the manager for not wanting to flush the first month of his tenure to back Ronaldo. Let him find form after the sack has been decided. Did wonders for Rangnick.
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