MrEleson
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Come back when your boy Haaland wins 5 Balon d’ors. He’s had a promising start and you’re getting carried away. Typical knee jerk behaviour.
wow, ronaldo's bodyguards are out on duty tonight.
Simply pointing out the foolishness of your absurd post. I'll be waiting to see Haaland score "50-60 goals a season for the next 5-7 years" - this is a projection you've made after watching less than 10 games
The guy putting him in his 5-a-side thinks he’s the GOATThere’s something very funny about your boy being the third best with the name Ronaldo in that five a side team.
Not true and just pure revisionism. If Ronaldo really kept these players as slaves like you’re insinuating, they wouldn’t say they loved to play with him so much. Benzema still says that till this day. Ozil played his best football next to Ronaldo & always has nothing but praise for him.Prime ronaldo, needed rooney, tevez to do the donkey work for him and at real benzema and ozil were basically his servants paid to play for Ronaldo.
Not true and just pure revisionism. If Ronaldo really kept these players as slaves like you’re insinuating, they wouldn’t say they loved to play with him so much. Benzema still says that till this day. Ozil played his best football next to Ronaldo & always has nothing but praise for him.
And btw, Ronaldo actually assisted Rooney more times than vice versa.
He was the reason they achieved.. If they didn't have ronaldo do you think they would have won 3 CL in a row, with prime Messi around ?
He's very far from our best striker. He's just not a good footballer anymore due to his age. He's slow, his reactions are slow, he's not agile, he can't get shots off even against a team from Moldova and looks every bit his age now.There wouldn't be so much fuss about Ronaldo not starting if Manchester United had better and reliable forwards, as it is Ronaldo at his age is still their best striker and he can't be expected to start every game. Before half time the game was already done and at that point the priority was to stop conceding goals. It's a shame he isn't used in this type of games but it can't be helped and I wouldn't blame ETH or Ronaldo for being in this situation.
Thank God someone said it.Ffs is this a Ronaldo performances thread or a Haaland thread? Every other post is the same shit.
Which player was this? I don’t remember of such. I do remember a chess world champion saying he was told to say Ronaldo was the best in the world when he did an interview on his visit to Real Madrid.There was a leaked interview from a former madridista player who done a interview where he said players were instructed to praise Ronaldo in the media but it's been pulled down, so I would take what they say with a pinch of salt, especially since ronaldo left, it is only then Benzema was able to blossom into the world class elite player he is today instead of being known for being Ronaldo's supplier. Hand on his heart behind closed doors Benzema would probably say it was a blessing when he left.
It was a chess player who supports Real, he was instructed by the club to say it.There was a leaked interview from a former madridista player who done a interview where he said players were instructed to praise Ronaldo in the media but it's been pulled down, so I would take what they say with a pinch of salt, especially since ronaldo left, it is only then Benzema was able to blossom into the world class elite player he is today instead of being known for being Ronaldo's supplier. Hand on his heart behind closed doors Benzema would probably say it was a blessing when he left.
Please please be true.Well according to the Telegraph he'll be allowed to leave in Jan.
That would be incredible.
Comparing their goal record really doesn’t make any fathomable sense and is quite disingenuous when they’re completely different players. One was playing primarily as an orthodox RW in a conventional 4-4-2 while the other is playing as a pure #9 in an ultra attacking set-up.
Also, Ronaldo in 06/07 was clearly in a planet of his own in a league with prime Gerrard, prime Lampard, prime Drogba and other defensive greats of the league like Ferdinand, Vidic, Terry et al.
He wasn’t even topscorer in the league back then but became the first (and still the only player) to win all 4 major PFA awards in the same season and subsequently finish 2nd in the Ballon D’or behind Kaka.
If Halaand achieves this sort of feat over the next season then we can have some sort of discussion but their skillset is still different. Ronaldo elevated us back then, while I’d argue Halaand while a top, top player; is a product of a great side in a fundamentally different era of football.
So it's going to play out like the summer with no one showing tangible interest again?Well according to the Telegraph he'll be allowed to leave in Jan.
That would be incredible.
I don't think so.So it's going to play out like the summer with no one showing tangible interest again?
He’s not famous for his thinking, luckily for himThe guy putting him in his 5-a-side thinks he’s the GOAT
To be fair, if we compare their first 150 goals or something, Ronaldo does has far better catalogue of goals, as many of his early goals (scored as being winger) were spectacular (ie long range rockets, freekicks, dribble goals etc)Haaland is just getting started. Ronaldo has a better catalogue of goals because he's played football for 16 more years. I'm sure James Vardy has a better catalogue of goals too, doesn't mean anything.
Real Madrid just won a CL without Ronaldo.
Also RM never faced peak Messi in the UCL when they won it 3 times in a row.
Real had Modric,Kroos,Benzema,Bale,Ramos, Casemiro, and Marcelo...all of them at their prime.
Ronaldo isn't the only reason they won 3 CLs in a row, as a matter of fact he had a poor game against Atlético and Liverpool in the finals, other stepped up for him, which is good, because it's a team game.
Martial appears to have got back into decent form this season, so when he's fit he is our best striker. Our entire attack and build-up functions far better with him up front than anybody else.Who is better than him? I believe he was the top scorer last season and the player who dragged you out of groups stages in UCL.
Ok I can see the angle you are coming from now and I agree yes it’s comparable if we are looking at whether Haaland can beat the record. I just didn’t think it was comparable in the sense to say Haaland has done better than Ronaldo at the same age.
But yes in terms of being able to beat Ronaldo’s record he is on track, but I’m still not convinced he will beat it simply because of the phenomenal effort it is going to take every season for 15 years. Just one big injury to Haaland would probably derail any chance of getting the record as he already needs around 50 every season.
I don’t recall Ronaldo ever having a major injury which has kept him out of most of a season.
Ronaldo was great that season but so was Rooney and many other players. I actually liked that Ronaldo the most because he combined style and substance, by the end of his career he had pared down his game so much that it was goals or nothing else. Whereas that season he was the perfect balance between the two. And I'd be the first to say in other threads that goals aren't everything, for example I really rate what Hazard did pre-Real Madrid. Context is important.
But.. that season of Ronaldo wouldn't be the best PL season ever, meanwhile Haaland on current clip is on track to be easily the greatest PL season ever. I think it's unlikely he keeps up this pace, but if he does, there's no real argument of Ronaldo in 06/07 being better than a 40-50 goal Haaland this season.
It doesn’t help either when the likes of Rio and Keane are joining in spouting the same narrative that he has to start because he’s a goal scorer. Completely ignoring the fact he’s on the decline. He’s not even at the level he was when he joined us last year never mind his earlier years. The whole world knows the only way you beat City is on the counter attack. So why on earth would Ronaldo be a good option when he can barely get past any defender nowadays and he’s never been great at hold up play.It was obvious the agenda regarding Ronaldo not starting would rise the moment we lost. The media have been waiting. Completely ignoring how shot his been when his played for club & country.
How the hell has he been disrespected when ETH has done nothing but praise him even when he refused to show up for work. Ronaldo not being sharp is his own doing and his had plenty time since pre season to get fit and he still looks rough. Martial scores 2 and people thing Ronaldo not playing was the problem.
Carragher and Ferdinand at it too
For FFS
Someone needs to pass to Haaland to score goals, just as someone used to pass to prime Ronaldo. So if that's donkey work that goes for both players. In other words, I'm far from being Ronaldo fan but you're speaking a lot of waffle here. Not to mention that in 2008 season he scored 42 goals in all competitons playing as a winger.The irony. Do you know the word projecting? How do you know I've only watched less than 10 games of Haaland? The only foolishness was people saying that he would struggle to adapt to the premiership, get injured all the time and pep wouldn't know how to utilise him when Haaland adapts to all systems and doesn't need a system catered towards his style neither does he need to scream, flap his arms in the air and throw tantrums while bullying his teammates into passing him the ball every time there is a chance at goal
Haaland makes things happen of his own accord by being in the right place at the right time while at the same time making sure he selflessly holds up the ball to play others into the game.
Prime ronaldo, needed rooney, tevez to do the donkey work for him and at real benzema and ozil were basically his servants paid to play for Ronaldo.
Someone needs to pass to Haaland to score goals, just as someone used to pass to prime Ronaldo. So if that's donkey work that goes for both players. In other words, I'm far from being Ronaldo fan but you're speaking a lot of waffle here. Not to mention that in 2008 season he scored 42 goals in all competitons playing as a winger.
Also I'm actively avoiding Haaland threads, only to find one here. What's that about?
So you're moving goalposts now. First it was somebody needs to make a donkey work for him and now it's the system changing stuff. Changing system or not he did score all those goals and it doesnt make it any less significant just cause Haaland supposedly brings others to play and Ronaldo supposedly didnt do that (and its somewhere in the middle between the 2). When you have a player like Ronaldo in his prime you change your system to suit him. Are Messi's goal less important cause the whole Barcelona system was made to suit him?Difference is the whole system doesn't need changing to cater towards Haaland, where the whole team needs to be structured around ronaldo for him to thrive. Look at his time at Juve and last season with us. Ronaldo sucked all the goals out of the team no one else was scoring besides him, as he plays for himself. Dybala scoring rate dropped at Juve, bruno and rashford's scoring rate dropped last season when ronaldo was central figure. Benzema's scoring rate dropped at Real.
Players around Haaland like young Foden are still able to shine because Haaland brings them into play and doesn't need the whole team to be set up to service him alone.
In 2008 he was an inverted forward interchanging between rooney and tevez where he often took up centre positions up front alongside them and was assigned free kick and penalty duties so was not a conventional winger by any stretch of the imagination
The myth about his time at Juventus needed to be stopped. You are just cherry picking one example with Dybala, who wasn’t known to be consistent goalscorer anyway. I can also said Morata scored most in his career best season playing alongside with Ronaldo too. Truth is, Juventus overall tally has dropped significantly after Ronaldo left last season, which defeat your whole theory there.Difference is the whole system doesn't need changing to cater towards Haaland, where the whole team needs to be structured around ronaldo for him to thrive. Look at his time at Juve and last season with us. Ronaldo sucked all the goals out of the team no one else was scoring besides him, as he plays for himself. Dybala scoring rate dropped at Juve, bruno and rashford's scoring rate dropped last season when ronaldo was central figure. Benzema's scoring rate dropped at Real.
Players around Haaland like young Foden are still able to shine because Haaland brings them into play and doesn't need the whole team to be set up to service him alone and actually it brings joy to Haaland seeing his teammates score.
In 2008 he was an inverted forward interchanging between rooney and tevez where he often took up centre positions up front alongside them and was assigned free kick and penalty duties so was not a conventional winger by any stretch of the imagination
So you're moving goalposts now. First it was somebody needs to make a donkey work for him and now it's the system changing stuff. Changing system or not he did score all those goals and it doesnt make it any less significant just cause Haaland supposedly brings others to play and Ronaldo supposedly didnt do that (and its somewhere in the middle between the 2). When you have a player like Ronaldo in his prime you change your system to suit him. Are Messi's goal less important cause the whole Barcelona system was made to suit him?
It's as if you dont like Ronaldo much and are a Haaland and Foden fan. Do you feel privileged watching them?
Interchanging or not, conventional or not, Ronaldno was a winger in 2008. What do freekicks and penalties have to do with anything in that regard?
Difference is the whole system doesn't need changing to cater towards Haaland, where the whole team needs to be structured around ronaldo for him to thrive. Look at his time at Juve and last season with us. Ronaldo sucked all the goals out of the team no one else was scoring besides him, as he plays for himself. Dybala scoring rate dropped at Juve, bruno and rashford's scoring rate dropped last season when ronaldo was central figure. Benzema's scoring rate dropped at Real.
Players around Haaland like young Foden are still able to shine because Haaland brings them into play and doesn't need the whole team to be set up to service him alone and actually it brings joy to Haaland seeing his teammates score.
In 2008 he was an inverted forward interchanging between rooney and tevez where he often took up centre positions up front alongside them and was assigned free kick and penalty duties so was not a conventional winger by any stretch of the imagination
Not moving the goalposts, you brought up the he use to be a winger, as if his role was just to hug the touchline and whip in crosses when he was more or less playing similar to the role mane and salah played at Liverpool. I agree it was right to change systems for prime ronaldo and what he achieved was unbelievable. There's no doubting that, but we need to include other equations into why and how he managed to thrive and score so many goals. It always came at the cost of other players, even rooney who was our talisman, was delegated into being a glorified donkey to service Ronaldo. The point of bringing up Foden is to show you how he isn't being made to being a servant for Haaland, they both work in tandem together and Haaland takes great joy out of seeing his team mates score and you can't say that about Ronaldo who only last weekend looked pissed off after seeing martial come off the bench and score.
But some of you feel so threatened by Haaland, that you are saying he has no right to be put in the same conversation alongside Ronaldo in terms of potentially surpassing his accomplishments. I've followed haaland since his days at Molde and know and understand his potential unlimited. Just because he now plays for City, I'm not going to put blockers out all threads about him on my web browser that cover him or avoid discussions, just because I'm terrified he might surpass Ronaldo