Yep. Honestly, I miss seeing Cavani play for us. He's lost a step as well, but he puts in an incredible work rate when he's out on the pitch and makes more and better runs than Christiano does.
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Yep, that's one of the main reasons I want a new manager to come in. A new coach comes in with a fresh slate...no favorites or previous relationships, just pick a system of play and select the best players to play that system regardless of status or reputation.
You're from the Lone Star state, eh? Cowboys fan? If so, you might remember the genius of Jimmy Johnson, and the procession of clowns Jerry Jones brought in to replace him. Reminds me of the post-Fergie managerial carousel.
Who cares about his international goals? Those have no bearing on how many he would score for United, which is what matters.
He hasn't hit 40 since his Madrid days, as I said.
Very good point. Whether or not that applies to Ronaldo but judging players based on isolated goal stats without context is incredibly superficial. Lukaku is a great player, no doubt, but I also thought that Chelsea might create more chances and score more goals if they trusted their setup from the previous season instead of squeezing him into the line up.
I'll always prefer a team that creates many chances and finishes badly over a team that creates few chances but finishes clinical because the former is less prone to randomness and bad luck.
Who cares international or not. He did score 105 goals in his last 122 competitive games from 2019-2021. That's a fact, and you can choose to ignore it if that bothers you much.
Meanwhile, over the same period (2019-2021):
Greenwood scores 35 in his last 116 games
Rashford scores 50 in his last 117 games
Martial scores 32 in his last 103 games
Cavani scores 31 in his last 82 games
Take your pick.
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I care. Because the only thing that matters is how many he scores for United. Not how many he scores for Portugal in qualifiers and friendlies against inferior competition.
I am ignoring it. You can choose to repeat yourself ad-nauseum if you'd like. Not going to make those goals any less irrelevant.
Ok. He is currently top scorer for us this season, despite playing less game than others. And he also just recently won PL and Man Utd player of month. How about that?
Or you can choose to ignore those as well, if you can't handle that.
Let's recap. I point out that your idol hasn't been good enough to score 40 in a season since his Madrid days.
You type paragraphs of hysterical drivel about how many he scores against Luxembourg. I point out that those aren't relevant to the discussion.
You can't seem to rebut, so you bring up another couple of irrelevant facts that don't confute what I pointed out.
I'm enjoying watching you get desperate. Now type out another 5 paragraphs of irrelevant Ronaldo stats.
You are so full of nonsense.
He hasn't score 40 goals in a season, but he did score 37 and 36 goals in his previous 2 season, big big difference right?
you: "but but but I don't care.... he didn't score 40, so it doesn't count...."
115 goals in his last 122 competitive games, of course including all sort of goals, including those he scored against France, Germany, Barca, Atletico, Inter, Milan, Atalanta, Ajax, Villarreal...
you: "but all I can count is, how many he scores against Luxembourg...because I don't care which team he scored against..except its for Man Utd..."
So then I play along with you, shows you how many he scores for United... He is current leading scorer in our team this season, and he also wins player of month in most recent month....
you: "I can't hear you, and I don't really care how many goals he score for us....those goals doesn't count if I don't like it anyway... so let's do a recap all over again..."
Why have you wasted your time regurgitating your own drivel?
I pointed out that Ronaldo hasn't scored 40 in a season since his Madrid days. You've written multiple posts with irrelevant Ronaldo stats that don't invalidate the fact that he isn't good enough to score 40 in a season, and you've quoted your own post, again.
Well you did all the recap first didn't you
I am just responding to your recap to show how ridiculous you are. You are so full of nonsense. 
Well you did all the recap first didn't you
This is amusing to watch. A meltdown all because you're unable to come to grips with the fact that your idol hasn't hit 40 since his Madrid days?
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Keep repeating this zillion times like a retard, when no one bothers to argue against this.This is amusing to watch. A meltdown all because you're unable to come to grips with the fact that your idol hasn't hit 40 since his Madrid days?
You are such a weirdo
I hadn't consider that. An interesting point. I didn't think Cavani looked particularly on it that day though. Across that fortnight and those four home matches at Old Trafford, I watched Martial, Ronaldo and Cavani all play centre forward and they were all on the fringes as much as each other. The brightest any of them looked was Cavani against Villarreal, but he looked as if he was pacing himself against Everton.
Yeah Cavani wasn't tearing it up or anything but can you recall McTominay or Fred or Rashford ever getting pulled so early, despite suffering far worse outings over the past year?
I want people to show me the supposed and alleged amazing press that we had/did before he came
I agree with this. Our pressing was shit prior to his arrival. Bruno and Cavani put a shift in but our other attacking players: Martial, Greenwood, Pogba, Rashford (yes, Rashford, despite what other posters claim) are all low work rate players.
I don't think a lack of pressing from CR7 is our real issue. Having an imbalance of too many attacking players and not enough grafters is the real problem. This and the cm position.
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Hope the people who are suggesting dropping Ronaldo for Cavani in the match day thread end up with egg on their faces. Shame on them. Ronaldo is one of if not the greatest player of all time. If you buy Ronaldo you have to play to his strengths.
You find the right team and formation to get the best out of Ronaldo like Gary Neville said Sir Alex did surrounding him with "trojans" we have Lingard who should play more. You don't buy Ronaldo unless you are prepared to build the team around him.
Ronaldo is the least of this teams problems. It's coaching. But Ronaldo is the easy target scapegoat despite costing a mere 12 million which is almost 50 million less than Sancho.
When you have wingers playing like Greenwood who are selfish and don't create chances for the striker that's the problem.
Finding the right formation/team to get the best out of Ronaldo should be Ole's main priority. That's the only way we can go on a mad run of form.
You don't see PSG forum calling for Poch to drop Messi despite his poor start to the season.
You find the right team and formation to get the best out of Ronaldo like Gary Neville said Sir Alex did surrounding him with "trojans" we have Lingard who should play more. You don't buy Ronaldo unless you are prepared to build the team around him.
Ronaldo is the least of this teams problems. It's coaching. But Ronaldo is the easy target scapegoat despite costing a mere 12 million which is almost 50 million less than Sancho.
When you have wingers playing like Greenwood who are selfish and don't create chances for the striker that's the problem.
Finding the right formation/team to get the best out of Ronaldo should be Ole's main priority. That's the only way we can go on a mad run of form.
You don't see PSG forum calling for Poch to drop Messi despite his poor start to the season.
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Another one bites the dust...
Well said we was shite before Ronaldo and I guarantee if Ronaldo didn't play this team would still have the same problems. You don't see our wingers Greenwood and Sancho tracking back much either when we are out of possession they get a free pass on this forum same with Fernandes playing more advanced than the striker which makes it easier for teams to counter attack with the vacated space Fernandes left nobody dares to criticise Fernandes (he plays deeper for Portugal). It's a lack of balance/discipline all over the pitch that goes far beyond Ronaldo. Ole needs to find the right players and formation to get that balance. We have a great team it just needs to click and it will.. with or without Ole because we have too many good players.
That's why I'd like to see Lingard play. And play Sancho on the right that's his best position to deliver those first-time crosses Ronny craves. Maybe Donny for Fernandes he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter even when he's playing rubbish give him some competition and a rest. Portugal manager Santos often subs Fernandes out when when he's having a rubbish game he's not untouchable for Portugal and shouldn't be at United because healthy competition is healthy. You could sub Fernandes for Donny in more around the 60th minute mark to freshen things up and give the team more energy, to go on to win the game or score more goals. A bit like how Ozil was always subbed off at Real Madrid and Arsenal.
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Shouldn't have signed him, but since he is here already, I think we should go two up front. He has never been a Center forward, and does not have the game to operate there on a regular basis. Not sure why that hasn't been figure out already, and I can't think of any team who has previously successfully utilized him the way we are trying to.
We should look to pair him with Rashford or Cavani, but I doubt Solskjaer's ability to successfully implement that. Antonio Conte just can't come soon enough. His 352 could be perfect for this squad.
We should look to pair him with Rashford or Cavani, but I doubt Solskjaer's ability to successfully implement that. Antonio Conte just can't come soon enough. His 352 could be perfect for this squad.
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That's how many goals he's scored in open play in the past 3 seasons. We really need to pay attention to these pointers so that we can get something out of this situation.
He's still a fantastic box player. So when chasing a game he'd be perfect and also against negative teams. He was great vs Newcastle for example. Trying to rely on him in the tough games where we really need to be great in transition is asking for trouble, especially from the start where we all know we'll be deep as we hardly control games.
He also needs to be told to press if we're going to do so. He's not one to track back and all that and hasn't been that in well over the decade but he has to atleast be a part of the pressing effort otherwise it simply won't work and if it does t that means we won't dominate games which are the games he's beat suited for. Someone has to explain to him that we need more effort simple as that.
We need to stop playing him with Bruno in the tougher games. Both can't hold onto the ball. That's called asking for trouble. Against Newcastle and the crew it's exactly what we should do as they are game breakers.
We need to stop acting like this is Ronnie in his prime. We have alot of options so no need to drive him into the ground. No need for him to always play 90 mins. The numbers he's putting up are hardly to die for.
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That's how many goals he's scored in open play in the past 3 seasons. We really need to pay attention to these pointers so that we can get something out of this situation.
He's still a fantastic box player. So when chasing a game he'd be perfect and also against negative teams. He was great vs Newcastle for example. Trying to rely on him in the tough games where we really need to be great in transition is asking for trouble, especially from the start where we all know we'll be deep as we hardly control games.
He also needs to be told to press if we're going to do so. He's not one to track back and all that and hasn't been that in well over the decade but he has to atleast be a part of the pressing effort otherwise it simply won't work and if it does t that means we won't dominate games which are the games he's beat suited for. Someone has to explain to him that we need more effort simple as that.
We need to stop playing him with Bruno in the tougher games. Both can't hold onto the ball. That's called asking for trouble. Against Newcastle and the crew it's exactly what we should do as they are game breakers.
We need to stop acting like this is Ronnie in his prime. We have alot of options so no need to drive him into the ground. No need for him to always play 90 mins. The numbers he's putting up are hardly to die for.
Ronaldo is going to be playing regularly and that means you need to play players that will compensate for Ronaldo's lack of pressing and play players who play to Ronaldo strengths like Sir Alex Ferguson did. Ole isn't doing that by not playing Sancho on the right to serve him up first-time crosses. There was no point of buying Ronaldo if you are not going to play to his strengths same with Sancho there was no point buying him if you won't play him in his best position. Blaming Ronaldo for Leicester result is silly, he barely got the ball and Greenwood had more shots. The problem is finding a way tactically to get Ronaldo involved more in the areas he can do most damage. Portugal play him on the wings in a 4-3-3 maybe that's something to try, or play him with Cavani so Ronaldo has more space with his fantastic movement
Ronaldo still has 5 goals in 6 starts this season, a fantastic goal return with feeding off scraps. I don't think Ronaldo is the problem at all, the opposite actually. I think some people and the English media are too obsessed with pressing but Ronaldo never pressed even when he was 18! Berbatov didn't press but because we was winning games back then those things didn't get mentioned they only get mentioned and over-scrutinised by armchair managers when the team is losing. The problem and main reason we are losing Is other areas of the team that are leaking goals faster than the titanic (fernandes playing too far forward and wingers not tracking back leaves us more exposed on the counter attack more than if Ronaldo presses or not)
Ronaldo still has 5 goals in 6 starts this season, a fantastic goal return with feeding off scraps. I don't think Ronaldo is the problem at all, the opposite actually. I think some people and the English media are too obsessed with pressing but Ronaldo never pressed even when he was 18! Berbatov didn't press but because we was winning games back then those things didn't get mentioned they only get mentioned and over-scrutinised by armchair managers when the team is losing. The problem and main reason we are losing Is other areas of the team that are leaking goals faster than the titanic (fernandes playing too far forward and wingers not tracking back leaves us more exposed on the counter attack more than if Ronaldo presses or not)
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I don't think we we have ever pressed well under Ole barring the odd game or two. However the downside of signing a 36 year old star player is that you most likely won't be able to do it in the near future either. So while many of us want to see us play a progressive style of football being brought in, it would be a lot harder to implement with players who don't fit into that tactic. It has little to do with Ole - if Ole wanted us to be a pressing team we would he one by now.
You can afford to carry one passenger (Ronaldo) if the rest of the team have players who will press (like Gary Neville said Sir Alex did to accommodate Ronaldo as Ronaldo has never pressed), but I don't think United have that (they have too many passengers basically even without Ronaldo). Only Fernandes really does it out of all our forward players. And Cavani but he can't do it over the full 90 minutes.
Maybe it's an English thing, but I Honestly don't think PSG fans are as bothered about if Messi is not pressing (and not suiting Poch style) as much as United fans are about Ronaldo's lack of pressing. And I guarantee Conte or Zidane if they became our managers they wouldn't care so much about Ronaldo pressing as they know it's a price worth paying for Ronaldo winning games (once he gets the ball in the box), they would play players and a formation to compensate for that and play to Ronaldo's strengths (more crosses for example). So I think Ronaldo still starts in this team for every possible new manager after Ole, but the proof will be in the pudding.
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Excellent post. I knew that his recent numbers - which as you pointed out are not to die for in any case as he hasn't reached the totals that Lewandowski, Messi, Mbappé, Haaland and co have reached in recent years - were inflated by spot kicks, but I never did the calculations.
That's a mediocre return, especially given that he doesn't offer the same type of all-around play that would provide some leeway to others if they go through a relative goal drought.
So it's just Ronaldo bashing without any constructive tactical analysis on how to get the best out of Ronaldo and cover up Ronaldo's weaknesses now he's here.. what formation to play and what players. You know some positivity and hope.. atleast the other player threads have more defending and support of the player the thread is about.
Gosh what a miserable place this has become.
Gosh what a miserable place this has become.
I assume you mean it has little to do with Ronaldo.
Nope
It isn't if the premise is that Solskjaer would love to have a pressing team but that the players at his disposal aren't equipped to do that.
That part was somewhat unconnected to your reference on the past. The point I was making (possible misplaced whilst quoting your post) was that Ole-ball is not about pressing so before/during Ronaldo is irrelevant as he wouldn't go and implement a high press either way. Whereas, looking into the future, Ronaldo's lack of work rate off the ball, will be important to our tactical set up going forward under the next manager.
I don't think Ole would love to have that. If he did, in 4 years he would have ensured that he added a CF who was equipped to do it.
Fair enough. I think that you could make the argument that Cavani is a pressing forward but he's an older player who isn't expected to be a constant in the first team, so that wouldn't be a convincing retort, I suppose.
Maybe Solskjaer prefers a counter attacking side that doesn't rely on a full press, as you said.
still makes no sense seeing as he has a say in recruitment and this isn’t his first season.
The media love it when United are struggling…all those clicks gets them drooling.
It’s a very lazy narrative to just drag up Ronaldo doesn’t sprint for 90 mins.
Yawn!
It’s a very lazy narrative to just drag up Ronaldo doesn’t sprint for 90 mins.
Yawn!
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