It would be nice to have senior players that wanted to be around the club for a derby game to give a bit of moral support and encouragement to team mates .
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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Presuming they care about the club or teammates, but that's not the case with this particular senior player.
Benzema showed last night in Madrid what a real world class talisman striker should conduct himself on the pitch. A player not only raising his own game instead of sulking but encouraging all team mates around him. Vinicius Junior final product wasn't always last night there as his passes wasn't always connecting with Benzema and was sometimes running into blind alleys but not once did you see Benzema scowl towards him or throw his hands up in a hissy fit when things were not going their way in the first half after going down
Together they worked even harder and kept their heads up in belief along with modric and Benzema galvanising the troops. When Camavinga came on neither did he come on with a strop just because he didn't start, instead he changed the game and imposed himself in the game and got control of midfield.
What we get with Ronaldo who he and others sees as captain is strops, tantrums and only consulting with his national compatriot Bruno Fernandes as if they are both above the rest of the team. If he happens to come off the bench he's puts in an even worse performance. Had he played against City and when we went down he would throwing his hands up in the air, going into midfield ruining the shape to try and get the ball, scowling at teammates before biding his time so he could strop off straight down the tunnel at the end of the game to show his disdain for the away fans.
I have only seen this guy save the team for his own gain not for the teams. I will never forget at the bernabeau when he was at Madrid and Bale scored instead of himself and he refused to run over and celebrate with him, instead he sulked.
So it's not a suprise in our biggest derby he goes over manager protocol of having rehab at the club and swans off to portugal for his hip replacement. The players are right in this instance, he should have been with the team but we know Ronaldo is only concerned with no 1 and still believes he's top dog and everything should revolve around him even though his body is now as stiff and rigid as an ironing board to the point where he can no longer compete at elite level consistently.
Together they worked even harder and kept their heads up in belief along with modric and Benzema galvanising the troops. When Camavinga came on neither did he come on with a strop just because he didn't start, instead he changed the game and imposed himself in the game and got control of midfield.
What we get with Ronaldo who he and others sees as captain is strops, tantrums and only consulting with his national compatriot Bruno Fernandes as if they are both above the rest of the team. If he happens to come off the bench he's puts in an even worse performance. Had he played against City and when we went down he would throwing his hands up in the air, going into midfield ruining the shape to try and get the ball, scowling at teammates before biding his time so he could strop off straight down the tunnel at the end of the game to show his disdain for the away fans.
I have only seen this guy save the team for his own gain not for the teams. I will never forget at the bernabeau when he was at Madrid and Bale scored instead of himself and he refused to run over and celebrate with him, instead he sulked.
So it's not a suprise in our biggest derby he goes over manager protocol of having rehab at the club and swans off to portugal for his hip replacement. The players are right in this instance, he should have been with the team but we know Ronaldo is only concerned with no 1 and still believes he's top dog and everything should revolve around him even though his body is now as stiff and rigid as an ironing board to the point where he can no longer compete at elite level consistently.
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Plays while carrying an injury for the last 3 months, because the team needs him and we have no alternatives.
Trains like a demon and trys to raise the standards.
Constantly gives advice to the younger players on and off the pitch and shows leadership that is sorely lacking in the squad.
Idiot fans want him gone.
I would extend his contract for a year to make up for wasting his time time this season.
Trains like a demon and trys to raise the standards.
Constantly gives advice to the younger players on and off the pitch and shows leadership that is sorely lacking in the squad.
Idiot fans want him gone.
I would extend his contract for a year to make up for wasting his time time this season.
Give him the Nobel Prize! What a guy.
I have seen him regularly shaking his head on the pitch and leaving the country rather than support the team, but he probably flew to Portugal to rescue some trapped animals or something.
You obviously don't go to games and are a supporter via the telly only.
No, I get to read the Ronaldo Diary left on your seat at Old Trafford too which tells you what he does in training and the conversations he has with other players.
How can you say with such authority that he trains like a demon? Whether he does or not isn't translating to on the pitch performances, so maybe you should remind him{since you're there on the training ground every day watching him} that he's 37 years old and to listen to his body and not overextend himself so much that he looks like a spent force come matchday.
I've heard Rashford trains really hard in training and played through injury under ole, does he deserve a new contract as well?
Whining, sulking throwing arms up in the air in strops and pouting your lips whilst putting in underwhelming performances and storming off the pitch ignoring the fans like a petulant child isn't showing leadership, it's showing traits of being a prima donna.who's head is so far up their own arse that they can't see their own faults.
This is the best post I've read all week. I couldn't have worded it better. Absolutely bang on!
It’s clear you probably only watch Madrid once a year and that was probably games like yesterday. Benzema yells at Vinicius and has thrown tantrums at his teammates in a lot of games this very season too. This is the same Benzema that whispered to another teammate that he shouldn’t pass to Vinicius because “on his mother’s life” he’s playing against them. And his teammates are generally far far better than Ronaldo’s.
Benzema is phenomenal right now and really rose to the occasion yesterday (I actually really enjoy the guy) but using that as a stick to beat Ronaldo with is really really small time.
Was about the say the same thing - Benzema isn't the best example! There are also plenty of times where Ronaldo has encouraged team mates - i.e Elanga missed pen.
Exactly. And he’s talking about the same Ronaldo who even helped Benzema when he was going through possibly the worst form of his career and being booed by the Bernbeau.
I wonder how much football these guys actually watch. Seems like they just log into redcafe and post whatever tripe comes to their mind.
You don't watch Real often, do you? No offence like
Benzema is a good player though, I'll give you that
I'm not one to criticize other's posts because I really don't care, but you're heavily talking out of your ass here.
There are literally dozens of reports of him being very good to the youngsters at all clubs he's been.
In regards to him being over the hill, of course he is, he's fecking 37 years old.
I'm not a Ronaldo defender, I think his transfer is great for the love story, but bad for the team. But c'mon, you're exaggerating just to make a point.
If Ronnie wouldn't be here United would play Europa League.
On him and Bruno being cnuts on the field, to that I agree and, personally, I'd slap the head off these two skinny bastards complaining non stop. (but they're latins, I'm as well, it's just in our blood)
This is the guy who stood on the sidelines injured and encouraged his team during and after the Euro 2016 final. It's bizarre peoples narrative on here. Does he sulk - sure? But don't act like he doesn't to the opposite either.
And this is how the Samuel L. guy gets a few clicks here and there.
What is sad is that almost all fans reading that will not take it with a pinch of salt.
He was injured and so allowed time off, but they give the players the freedom to do whatever they like during their time off.
I mean, it's not entirely wrong though is it? I'm sure like anyone Ralf has extreme respect for Ronaldo's achievements in the game but he's 37 and you can tell on the pitch he looks leggy and not the force he once was, he's scored some goals and kept us in the CL this season but he's also missed plenty of chances, sulked alot, and some might argue hindered our overall play (debateable). Point is we really do need a new, younger figurehead in our attack, Ronaldo has shown he cannot sustain it, it's sad but he's just at that age now
Yeah man, I agree. I was just talking about the Samuel guy, not about the actual topic of the conversation.
He just made a supposition and posted it in a newspaper like it's some sort of breaking news when, in reality, let's be honest, he doesn't know shit like the rest of us.
Yep, it's a very easy story to write at any point really. It's not like we're not going to have concerns about our 37 year-old striker's role going forward.
A few examples of this doesn't negate the opposite claims when there's plenty of evidence to back them.
So he's probably not available for the game against Spurs? I doubt he'll miss the champions league though.
This is an odd example as Benzema, along some other teammates, have been really harsh on Vinicius prior to this season. If any the problem isn't Ronaldo having high standards and if Vinicius was anything like the young players in United he wouldn't had progressed to where he is today.
That's so petty from both of you.
But..but..Fergie said we should always play our best players
Too bad Fergie missed out the part of not following every clickbait article like a drone.
Some sense at the club.
I suggest you watch this ''Christiano Ronaldo's VERY selfish moments 2018'' on youtube where he was at Madrid and getting angry at teammates for scoring over him, trying to steal other player's goals, calling offside for other players goals all because he wanted to stat pad to get one over on Messi every season
Difference is Ronaldo was at his peak then so he got away with being a selfish greedy player because his performances were out of this world and could somewhat tolerate his antics however distasteful it was to watch him refuse to celebrate other teammates goals or try to snatch goals from them. Now he's 37 years old and he plays like he's got solid steel metal rods attached to his legs he's still hasn't to be less selfish and accept that he's on the decline and that this is a team game.
Even at his last club there were reports of him disrupting Juve's dressing room code of conduct and having the team revolve around getting the ball to him and the club felt more empowered after he left even after he left them last minute in the lurch because he had no loyalty to Juve and wasn't willing to help them another season while they were not challenging for top honours and I can see he'll do the same with United if we don't finish top 4.
'' Ronaldo went against Juventus' traditional dressing room conduct during his time at the club.''
''It's claimed there are unwritten rules of 'equality, unity and humility', something Ronaldo allegedly did not abide by, according to the Turin-based newspaper.
Leonardo Bonucci, who shared the dressing room with Ronaldo, recently conceded that Juventus are now a more well-rounded team following the United icon's departure.
The veteran said: "Do we play more as a team? It is absolutely true. In the recent past we had lost this characteristic from Juve, we were playing with a great champion like Ronaldo and we wanted to put him in a position to always do well, thinking he could solve all the games. This year we are rediscovering that right humility that is needed to regain victory."
While Tuttosport note that Ronaldo's influence in attack cannot be questioned, it's suggested that the team were more fragile when he was in the team, due to his lack of desire to defend and track back.''
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...-Juventus-locker-room-Tuttosport-Man-Utd-news
Sound familar?
Listen if you guys want to bury your heads in the sand and pretend Ronaldo is still prime and he's been a great leader and great influence, that's on your shoulders. Undermining the national coach and pretending to be manager in a world cup game isn't a great example to show how much a martyr he is. It just shows another example of Ronaldo behaving like he is bigger than those in charge.
I see a pattern here and this guy is strutting around the club as if he's still prime 24 year old ronaldo who calls the shots on when he plays, how the team should revolve around him and how everyone should listen to him, when he's not even leading by example through his own performances.
If Ronaldo came in and accepted where's he is at like Cavani, who keeps his head down and doesn't have a big drama show if hes not playing and subbed and managed his recovery better as he knows he's not young anymore, I'd have no issues with his position in the team. However the fact that he wants to throw a tantrum every time he gets subbed or dropped isn't what we need right now. A 37 year old who expects to play every game without exception isn't going to bring us back the good old fergie days of a treble challenging side. We need to move on from Ronaldo if we are to progress forward as a club
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Look, Metal, I'm not trying to dismiss Ronaldo's level (specially lately) or that part of your posts, but you are being extremely biased. Like, the not good kind of biased.
I am biased too, to the opposite side of yours. I love the dude and his personality. We see what we want to see. Have you looked at, or remember every time a fellow colleague has said good things of him? You can find just as much, if not more, on media, about teammates and coaches speaking very highly of him. Look at Tony Kroos just last week speaking of him.
The part about undermining Santos at an Euro game (no wonder you don't know what about I'm about to say since you remember it so well you thought it was at a World Cup game), it was actually *Santos* that asked Ronaldo to start screaming orders to the pitch. This part came out of his own mouth too. So, he wasn't undermining anyone. He was helping the coach out by his request. You will grab anything that fits your vision, regardless of being factually right or not.
Look closely to him during one game, one full game, don't take your eyes off of him. I can absolutely promise you, he acknowledges or incentivizes or thumbs up a teammate much more than he ever criticizes or waves arms in frustration. I'm fully confident on what I'm saying having watched all his games. It's much easier to see arms waving around than a thumbs up. I see them because yes, I always have an eye on him. I know most people don't and that's okay.
He has incredible things and has globally been spoken very well by his colleagues and coaches. Everyone here thinks he's super hard to work with when in reality the only thing you'll find out online, and please, I only take words from people themselves, not words from third parties, you'll find any coach saying he's extremely easy to work with. Doesn't mean there aren't disagreements from time to time.
And just to show one can be extremely biased, and if you look at my post history you'll see I am, but still be a super fair guy, no, he is not perfect. He is cold hearted, and would win many people over if he celebrated more vividly his teammates goals. He barely ever celebrates his own goals very emotionally too. But yes, he could do better in that regard. He does tend to get overly frustrated too and with his overall leadership that he has, in my view, he should know better than to be so expressive with his teammates on field. He is also prone to getting sent off which is something that always irked me, because again, he should know better than to get frustrated on field to that point even if only occurs sparingly. He's gotten lucky twice with us this season.
He has bad things and good things. Honest to god? I'm inclined to believe from everything I've personally *heard* or *read* from *the people* themselves, not third parties, the good outweights the bad.
I hope rumors about him pushing a move to PSG if united fail to finish in the top four are true. I can imagine him showing his frustration at Messi everytime he passes the ball to someone else! I really can't see those two playing together, but it's his last realistic option if he wants to stay at the 'top'
There's been almost nothing I've wanted more than to see Ronnie and United win once again together, but hey, I'd love to see them together even at this age. Ronaldo would moan at Messi, and Messi would moan at him. Ronaldo's drive and his cravings for winning would at least do something to try and turn Messi from a ghost into looking like somebody who cares, and in return Messi would have the status to tell Cristiano to shut up every once in a while. I think they'd work it out
I think this is underestimating MLS too much. MLS is not amateur football, I mean it would of course be much more easier but it is still professional football.
Second, I don't know why Messi playing in the UCL is a factor, Ronaldo is just not up to the highest level anymore and that is the fact he has to face.
This. The MLS is not a cake walk. Gerrard was in decent shape when he signed for Galaxy and he struggled against younger players in this league.
Nani has had his struggles at Orlando and looks nothing special either. Hugain similary has been nothing special either at Inter Miami. Ronaldo is finished and the sooner he realizes this the better because it's going to end up being embarrassing for him
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Still our top goalscorer though, and one of the most impactful player in CL this season, which means majority of our squad are not up to highest level anymore too, which I am not going to argue much against anyway, as I am expecting a summer clear out of at least 10-17 players this summer.
Imagine the current Messi Ronaldo and Neymar in one team. Absolutely nobody running for one another, all 3 of them past their best days in terms of creating that extra yard too. Would be fun to watch in big CL matchesThere's been almost nothing I've wanted more than to see Ronnie and United win once again together, but hey, I'd love to see them together even at this age. Ronaldo would moan at Messi, and Messi would moan at him. Ronaldo's drive and his cravings for winning would at least do something to try and turn Messi from a ghost into looking like somebody who cares, and in return Messi would have the status to tell Cristiano to shut up every once in a while. I think they'd work it out
Proper team player is Benzema, that's when he is not blackmailing his team mates for a bit of extra cash of course.
Nani was exceptional at Orlando in the early parts of each season but always ran out of steam as the year went on, so so to say he was "nothing special" is incredibly unfair.
Gerrard and Higuian went into MLS with completely the wrong attitude and trying to lump Nani with them two is not reasonable in my view, Nani worked his arse off whereas they went into it expecting to walk through games.
I really want to see him at PSG.
I think he will be back to some sort of decent level compared to how he performs in the PL.
I think he will be back to some sort of decent level compared to how he performs in the PL.
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