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A consistent goal scorer. United hasnt had one since RVP.What is Ronaldo at his best in his current guise?
A consistent goal scorer. United hasnt had one since RVP.What is Ronaldo at his best in his current guise?
Might as well just close out the contract with every other United player this season then, if he's gotta pick up his level
A consistent goal scorer. United hasnt had one since RVP.
Exactly, feed him and he will convert a higher percentage of chances the practically any other striker in the PL at the minute. Its something though our players have failed miserably to do enough
His conversion rate isn't 'practically higher than anyone in the PL" or anywhere near it, though.
He's let his teammates down just as much as you're suggesting might be the other way around
I hate the aggrandising of the guy tbh. Like no matter what he does it’s the team that is not living up to his standards...I have watched every second he has played for us and aside from his genuinely otherworldly ability to score in the CL, I genuinely think his performances have been quite fuking ordinary for a player who has been given liscence to play how he wants, given first dibs on set pieces and been the number one target of every single ball and cross played into the box. Most strikers will give you a decent return in those circumstances. He has been fine all things considered but accommodating him has brought its own issues.Exactly, feed him and he will convert a higher percentage of chances the practically any other striker in the PL at the minute. Its something though our players have failed miserably to do enough
To those who think that if United don’t get top 4 that Ronaldo will leave, what better club is going to pick him up at his wages at 37 years of age? United is the best he can do in my mind.
If you restrict it to just strikers then he's second in the league behind Jota.
Based on what stat?
Goals per 90 mins for strikers who have played more than half the games.
That doesn't tell much about his convertion rate though, expected goals are far more telling in terms of pure conversion and he's not good at that this season (and for a couple of years).
To those who think that if United don’t get top 4 that Ronaldo will leave, what better club is going to pick him up at his wages at 37 years of age? United is the best he can do in my mind.
But Ronaldo shoots from everywhere and anywhere and messes those stats up. Doesn't say much about how clinical he is when he gets in a genuine scoring position.
That's where it kinda hurts though. Ronaldo was WAY over expected goals for almost a decade. I mean in the 2014-2015 season, he netted 61 from 48 expected goals, which shows he was amazing at finishing. For a couple of years he's been pretty average. Note that i'm not talking about his ability to create a chance (which is very hard to assess with stats) but the pure finishing aspect.
By the way, in terms of pure statistics, Messi is a far better finisher than Ronaldo if you include league games, but Ronaldo did it more often in the CL in critical games.
People often focus on the fact that we weren't a great team pre Ronaldowhen the focus really should be on how he helps/hinders us from the achieving the possibility of eventually becoming one.It’s a bit of a worry that he was dramatically worse than Rashford by every metric in our last match but still started this one. If Rashford was poor enough to deserve to be benched (and he was) then Ronaldo was even more deserving. If any team ever stops being a meritocracy it’s in deep shit
People talking about his overall performances in games have clearly not watched him when he was at United first time around or at Madrid.
Its basically the reason Eamon Dunphy famously thought he was crap for many years.
His overall performances in games have always been patchy but his goal scoring and moments of brilliance are what make him a top player. He’s also nearly 37 now.
He has been our best outfield player this season.
It wasn’t. But he regularly lost possession and drifted out of games.At Madrid his 1st touch wasn't this dreadfull, nor his ablity to beat a man or his passing ability. And if it was, no way is he the greatest of all time.
I don't really care about his xG stats to be honest, as he has scored 47 goals overall last year. In other words, he is only behind Lewandowksi in 2021 in terms of goalscoring, and has at least similar output as Haaland or Mbappe. If that's not good enough because of xG stats said so, so be it.Absurd shots generate a very low xG value, it doesn't messes his stats that much. That being said, an xG inside the box could be interesting.
I don't really care about his xG stats to be honest, as he has scored 47 goals overall last year. In other words, he is only behind Lewandowksi in 2021 in terms of goalscoring, and has at least similar output as Haaland or Mbappe. If that's not good enough because of xG stats said so, so be it.
It doesn't matter to me, to be very honest.That's not how you win games. Scoring 47 goals while taking 2000 shots is not the same as scoring the same amount taking 200 shots. In one case you use all your team's chances, in the other you just exploit the good situations created by your team. It's as if a basketball player was satisfied with scoring 35 points per game by taking all his team's shots despite them loosing the game.
Last season, Lewa was 9 goals above his xG total while Cristiano was 1 goal under, that's a HUGE difference in finishing.
It doesn't matter to me, to be very honest.
At the end the day, player with most goals will always impact the game most, and will always get all the recognition. While player with the best or better xG stats probably wouldn't even get a mention.
That doesn't tell much about his convertion rate though, expected goals are far more telling in terms of pure conversion and he's not good at that this season (and for a couple of years).
Some guy on the internet talking down Ronaldo based on xG, very 2022. Watch the games with your own eyes and leave the computer stuff in another room.
His post had nothing to do with Ronaldo, he is simply pointing out that fans of Manchster United prefer the club do well as oppose to one man padding is his stats.2Some guy on the internet talking down Ronaldo based on xG, very 2022. Watch the games with your own eyes and leave the computer stuff in another room.
Watching Ronaldo play 90 minutes (the eye test) is not a favourable metric for Ronaldo. Stick to goals. That’s about it. That’s a favourable metric because his performances have certainly been average at best. He is litterally only in the team to produce moments. Doesn’t mean the other 85 or so minutes are good. They generally haven’t been.Some guy on the internet talking down Ronaldo based on xG, very 2022. Watch the games with your own eyes and leave the computer stuff in another room.
He’s not saying he’s not happy at United, he’s saying that he’s not happy with what they’ve achieved and wants to work harder and be better. What’s wrong with that? Sounds like leadership to me. Much better than our captain’s “thanks for all your support this year” filled entirely of pictures of himself.
We need a new captain. End of.
A consistent goal scorer. United hasnt had one since RVP.
Not really, I never care about xG stats from the very beginning, regardless. IMHO Its just one way to analysis stats, and there are probably hundreds of other ways to analysis stats anyway, and its all about how you want to break down the stats in a certain way, I just never care any of those. I only look at end products which impact games, and the performances, which matters. This is how I look at football since the very first day, and it was never about xG stats or other stat analysis.Because you're a Ronaldo fan before being a United fan. If you were fan of the actual team, his stats wouldn't matter while you're out of the top4. Any regular United fan would (rightfully) rather have 1 goal from Ronaldo, Rashford, Greenwood and Cavani than 3 from Cristiano.
And your agument doesn't really makes sense, as you mentionned Cristiano is only behind Lewa in terms of goal input, does his season gets much recognition? Is he considered one of the best performer in Europe at the moment? Obviously not. Why? Because his previous team lost the title and United isn't in a good shape whether it's his responsability or not.
We didn’t get a bad result, we won. And Ron is using his bee year message to make these comments. Again, he’s not saying he’s unhappy at the club, he’s saying he wants to push forward and work harder. I see nothing wrong with that. More a pursuit of excellence - something we’ve been painfully lacking.The things he's mentioned in that post dont make him a leader. Which player hasn't made similar empty statements after bad results? The timing of it is poor too. We are unbeaten under our new coach and while the perfmances are not quite there yet we're getting results. He should be optimistic.
Ronaldo should probably speak for himself when he mentions being unhappy because a few others like McTominay, Fred and De Gea for instance seem to be enjoying the new challenge under Rangknick and they're expressing this on the pitch and in interviews.
We didn’t get a bad result, we won. And Ron is using his bee year message to make these comments. Again, he’s not saying he’s unhappy at the club, he’s saying he wants to push forward and work harder. I see nothing wrong with that. More a pursuit of excellence - something we’ve been painfully lacking.
We were second before him and now 7th with him.Interesting to see how much shit he's getting. You'd swear we were successful and he's come and fcuked it all up.
The complaints about his all round play are valid though. But I also reckon they're more vociferous because it's Ronaldo, and it's always polemic with him.
Obviously not a pertinent comparison since our final position this season isn't 7th yet.We were second before him and now 7th with him.