A consistent goal scorer. United hasnt had one since RVP.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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Might as well just close out the contract with every other United player this season then, if he's gotta pick up his level
Solid argument
What does the fact that others have also performed poorly have to do with Ronaldo's own performances?It’s this sort of thing along with the walking off the pitch that really do make him difficult to like. I mean his form for Utd has been ok but not at the level you would need it to be to set yourself apart from the rest of the team in terms of responsibility for the current vein of form. It’s easy to say we are just not creating enough chances for him but then again, he is missing a fair few that are created and on a whole not offering the team much more. Would prefer if he spoke about the team and wasn’t so eager to big himself up. On balance, he has been bang average.
Exactly, feed him and he will convert a higher percentage of chances the practically any other striker in the PL at the minute. Its something though our players have failed miserably to do enough
His conversion rate isn't 'practically higher than anyone in the PL" or anywhere near it, though.
He's let his teammates down just as much as you're suggesting might be the other way around
If you restrict it to just strikers then he's second in the league behind Jota.
I hate the aggrandising of the guy tbh. Like no matter what he does it’s the team that is not living up to his standards...I have watched every second he has played for us and aside from his genuinely otherworldly ability to score in the CL, I genuinely think his performances have been quite fuking ordinary for a player who has been given liscence to play how he wants, given first dibs on set pieces and been the number one target of every single ball and cross played into the box. Most strikers will give you a decent return in those circumstances. He has been fine all things considered but accommodating him has brought its own issues.
I’ll leave it there before the usual suspects start shouting “agenda...off with his head!”
I agree. I do not think he has any chance to be a starter at current Bayern, Real, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, PSG. At most, he can be a sub with much reduced wages. Still, even with reduced wages, those teams in my view are unlikely to be interested in signing him due to his age, performance concerns, Juve/United issues attributed to his arrival as well as potential tensions due to him being a sub. They were not interested in him last summer, why would they be now? After United, Sporting or MLS seem to be the most likely options for him.
Based on what stat?
Goals per 90 mins for strikers who have played more than half the games.
That doesn't tell much about his convertion rate though, expected goals are far more telling in terms of pure conversion and he's not good at that this season (and for a couple of years).
He’s not saying he’s not happy at United, he’s saying that he’s not happy with what they’ve achieved and wants to work harder and be better. What’s wrong with that? Sounds like leadership to me. Much better than our captain’s “thanks for all your support this year” filled entirely of pictures of himself.
We need a new captain. End of.
We need a new captain. End of.
But Ronaldo shoots from everywhere and anywhere and messes those stats up. Doesn't say much about how clinical he is when he gets in a genuine scoring position.
That's why he's here, he's out of options. He decided too late in the window to leave Juventus and pinned all his hopes on Mendes securing a move to City. You're right, who else is there? At the moment city want a younger CF. Real Madrid is not a realistic option and neither are Barcelona and PSG. I don't think he wants an MLS move
Absurd shots generate a very low xG value, it doesn't messes his stats that much. That being said, an xG inside the box could be interesting.
Obviously, I'm not comparing Ronaldo and Messi. They are both at a unique level when it comes to finishing.
Point is that XG does not account for various factors: game pressure, quality of opponent, quality of GK, positional play etc.
For e.g. Ronaldo can score 4 tap ins and miss 1. He will be below his XG because each of those tap ins are say a 0.9 chance.
At the same time, Rashford can shoot 50 times from outside the box and score 3. He may be above his XG because each of those were a 0.03 to 0.05 chance.
Ronaldo will score a brace/hattrick against Wolves, and then the peacefulness will return to this thread 
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.People talking about his overall performances in games have clearly not watched him when he was at United first time around or at Madrid.
Its basically the reason Eamon Dunphy famously thought he was crap for many years.
His overall performances in games have always been patchy but his goal scoring and moments of brilliance are what make him a top player. He’s also nearly 37 now.
He has been our best outfield player this season.
Its basically the reason Eamon Dunphy famously thought he was crap for many years.
His overall performances in games have always been patchy but his goal scoring and moments of brilliance are what make him a top player. He’s also nearly 37 now.
He has been our best outfield player this season.
People often focus on the fact that we weren't a great team pre Ronaldowhen the focus really should be on how he helps/hinders us from the achieving the possibility of eventually becoming one.
He's done well to score goals at fair clip bit for me personally I think it's a bit shit that we've actually gone backwards from the time when Rashford Martial and Greenwood looked like such a great Frontline in the making. We all thought add Sancho to it and well he flying. Since then all the young played have struggled (except Greenwood who struggles for opportunities that match his performances) and Ronaldo and Cavani are apparently our ancient heroes who have no real future at the club with the former not really playing well with the younger lot.
At Madrid his 1st touch wasn't this dreadfull, nor his ablity to beat a man or his passing ability. And if it was, no way is he the greatest of all time.
It wasn’t. But he regularly lost possession and drifted out of games.
I don't really care about his xG stats to be honest, as he has scored 47 goals overall last year. In other words, he is only behind Lewandowksi in 2021 in terms of goalscoring, and has at least similar output as Haaland or Mbappe. If that's not good enough because of xG stats said so, so be it.
That's not how you win games. Scoring 47 goals while taking 2000 shots is not the same as scoring the same amount taking 200 shots. In one case you use all your team's chances, in the other you just exploit the good situations created by your team. It's as if a basketball player was satisfied with scoring 35 points per game by taking all his team's shots despite them loosing the game.
Last season, Lewa was 9 goals above his xG total while Cristiano was 1 goal under, that's a HUGE difference in finishing.
For me our problem is exactly what our Fans are crying out for more of - The need for the team to create more chances and opportunities for Ronaldo so he can score more and be an even better goalscorer.
For me, the team is solely focused on getting the ball to Ronaldo now. Whether the passes are good enough or not isn't the question - what I see is that he is our Plan A and everyone is our Plan B. We are only really good as Ronaldo is, If he scores we win the match.
Were we really like this last season? Did we have to create more chances for Cavani? For Greenwood? For Rashford? For James or Martial?
I was watching some of our best goals of 2021 on youtube - we had our whole line running behind the defence after some accurate passes from Pogba or Bruno, each forward taking time to shoot from different angles.
Do we do that right now? We get the ball to Ronaldo every chance we get, playing like a predatory striker needing chances created from all of Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Cavani rather than scoring goals themselves.
For me, the team is solely focused on getting the ball to Ronaldo now. Whether the passes are good enough or not isn't the question - what I see is that he is our Plan A and everyone is our Plan B. We are only really good as Ronaldo is, If he scores we win the match.
Were we really like this last season? Did we have to create more chances for Cavani? For Greenwood? For Rashford? For James or Martial?
I was watching some of our best goals of 2021 on youtube - we had our whole line running behind the defence after some accurate passes from Pogba or Bruno, each forward taking time to shoot from different angles.
Do we do that right now? We get the ball to Ronaldo every chance we get, playing like a predatory striker needing chances created from all of Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Cavani rather than scoring goals themselves.
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One of these days, he will score with that left footed volley...
It doesn't matter to me, to be very honest.
At the end the day, player with most goals will always impact the game most, and will always get all the recognition. While player with the best or better xG stats probably wouldn't even get a mention.
Because you're a Ronaldo fan before being a United fan. If you were fan of the actual team, his stats wouldn't matter while you're out of the top4. Any regular United fan would (rightfully) rather have 1 goal from Ronaldo, Rashford, Greenwood and Cavani than 3 from Cristiano.
And your agument doesn't really makes sense, as you mentionned Cristiano is only behind Lewa in terms of goal input, does his season gets much recognition? Is he considered one of the best performer in Europe at the moment? Obviously not. Why? Because his previous team lost the title and United isn't in a good shape whether it's his responsability or not.
Some guy on the internet talking down Ronaldo based on xG, very 2022. Watch the games with your own eyes and leave the computer stuff in another room.
He fluffled his 1 vs 1 in his last game, and scored a tap in infront of a open net. Anyway I don't expect Ronaldo to convert all his chances, but he hasn't been impressive to watch. Was shite vs Newcaste, shite vs Burnley but scored a penalty. His last good game was Arsenal.
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His post had nothing to do with Ronaldo, he is simply pointing out that fans of Manchster United prefer the club do well as oppose to one man padding is his stats.2
Watching Ronaldo play 90 minutes (the eye test) is not a favourable metric for Ronaldo. Stick to goals. That’s about it. That’s a favourable metric because his performances have certainly been average at best. He is litterally only in the team to produce moments. Doesn’t mean the other 85 or so minutes are good. They generally haven’t been.
The things he's mentioned in that post dont make him a leader. Which player hasn't made similar empty statements after bad results? The timing of it is poor too. We are unbeaten under our new coach and while the perfmances are not quite there yet we're getting results. He should be optimistic.
Ronaldo should probably speak for himself when he mentions being unhappy because a few others like McTominay, Fred and De Gea for instance seem to be enjoying the new challenge under Rangknick and they're expressing this on the pitch and in interviews.
Not really, I never care about xG stats from the very beginning, regardless. IMHO Its just one way to analysis stats, and there are probably hundreds of other ways to analysis stats anyway, and its all about how you want to break down the stats in a certain way, I just never care any of those. I only look at end products which impact games, and the performances, which matters. This is how I look at football since the very first day, and it was never about xG stats or other stat analysis.
Interesting to see how much shit he's getting. You'd swear we were successful and he's come and fcuked it all up.
The complaints about his all round play are valid though. But I also reckon they're more vociferous because it's Ronaldo, and it's always polemic with him.
The complaints about his all round play are valid though. But I also reckon they're more vociferous because it's Ronaldo, and it's always polemic with him.
We didn’t get a bad result, we won. And Ron is using his bee year message to make these comments. Again, he’s not saying he’s unhappy at the club, he’s saying he wants to push forward and work harder. I see nothing wrong with that. More a pursuit of excellence - something we’ve been painfully lacking.
He was a regular scorer but it was only a nice cameo of a season, not dissimilar to Lukaku's first season at United in terms of goals. Not comparable to Ruud or even Saha and Hernandez
That's my point, we won and we've been unbeaten since Rangknick's arrival. He fails to mention that as a positive but is happy to go with "I'm not happy with what we're achieving here".
Sounds like a broad stroke and is dismissive of the coach and what he's trying to do to change our fortunes. The kids in the squad must be inspired by Ronaldo's words. They're not happy, all of the players, he speaks for them. I hope he leaves next season.
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We were second before him and now 7th with him.
Obviously not a pertinent comparison since our final position this season isn't 7th yet.
What is indisputable though is that we were dumped into Europa last season, while this season we got out of the CL groups.
In any case, it's not good we've gone backwards in the league, but I wouldn't attribute that to Ronaldo. Same way he's not solely responsible for us progressing further in the CL this season.
Using the UCL as a metric to know if we are better or not than last year, I do not see it as accurate. The best measurement to know how the team really is precisely the Premier League. The UCL is a short tournament, there are lots of examples where mediocre teams have reached the final or even won the competition, while in their League they are shit.
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