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You forgot Marshall? 
Sydney Fkin Barnes. The myth. The legend.
Indeed. He can bugger off. Probably bowled at 25mph.
Wow. I must've deleted him accidentally.
I'll take good old Richie's word on it.
I'm just throwing out stuff while on the bog here but all things considered the top dog would have to one out of imran lillee and Marshall. What would also be an kickass bowling unit.
Maybe bring in McGrath / Hadlee if you want an accurate son of a bitch.
Maybe bring in McGrath / Hadlee if you want an accurate son of a bitch.
OK, from Aldo's list on last page, the edited one, I am putting in Garner. Dunno how I missed him in first place. Roberts gets in too,just.
John Snow has 200 wickets at avg of >26, Thomson, as great as he was, has avg of 28 for 200 wickets. Keeping them out for now. Gough too misses out. As special as these bowlers were for different reasons, just going stat wise, they are going to lag others. My list is going to be based more on quantitative and some great ones might/will miss out. Sydney Barnes for example died before some of the above were even born
Not going back that long in history.
Also Spoony is taking piss by putting Azhar Mahmood there!
For longevity, I have got Kapil Dev over Srinath. Otherwise India in fast bowling is a very sorry reading.
John Snow has 200 wickets at avg of >26, Thomson, as great as he was, has avg of 28 for 200 wickets. Keeping them out for now. Gough too misses out. As special as these bowlers were for different reasons, just going stat wise, they are going to lag others. My list is going to be based more on quantitative and some great ones might/will miss out. Sydney Barnes for example died before some of the above were even born
Not going back that long in history.Also Spoony is taking piss by putting Azhar Mahmood there!
For longevity, I have got Kapil Dev over Srinath. Otherwise India in fast bowling is a very sorry reading.
robelinda2 on YouTube has some absolutely wonderful compilations of most of the aforementioned bowlers if you guys are interested.
OK, from Aldo's list on last page, the edited one, I am putting in Garner. Dunno how I missed him in first place. Roberts gets in too,just.
John Snow has 200 wickets at avg of >26, Thomson, as great as he was, has avg of 28 for 200 wickets. Keeping them out for now. Gough too misses out. As special as these bowlers were for different reasons, just going stat wise, they are going to lag others. My list is going to be based more on quantitative and some great ones might/will miss out. Sydney Barnes for example died before some of the above were even born
Also Spoony is taking piss by putting Azhar Mahmood there!
For longevity, I have got Kapil Dev over Srinath. Otherwise India in fast bowling is a very sorry reading.
Fazal Mahmood.
I'm just throwing out stuff while on the bog here but all things considered the top dog would have to one out of imran lillee and Marshall. What would also be an kickass bowling unit.
Maybe bring in McGrath / Hadlee if you want an accurate son of a bitch.
Hadlee was amazing could swing it both ways. Bit of an arrogant bugger by all accounts though. Then again fast bowlers generally are. Not that he was genuinely quick mind you.
His collection is amazing and he's quick to upload stuff on request as well. The guy's a prick though.
Compensated lack of pace with a wonderful tactical brain and the fact he always shouldered the responsibility to get the best batsman. A role model for any fast bowler.
Just generally while discussing stuff.
Ah, didn't catch the entire discussion. Watching the T20 game and browsing the caf on the same screen. How Pakistan could've done with an in-form Umar Gul today.
Ha! I'm sure.Ah, didn't catch the entire discussion. Watching the T20 game and browsing the caf on the same screen. How Pakistan could've done with an in-form Umar Gul today.
Couple of Hadlee quotes that point out what I was on about earlier.
"I kept a book with me on every batsman in the world".
"I made it my job to get out the opposition's best batsman. That was my role. If he got away on us I held myself personally accountable*"
"I kept a book with me on every batsman in the world".
"I made it my job to get out the opposition's best batsman. That was my role. If he got away on us I held myself personally accountable*"
The best era of each bowler, by age, is highlighted in green. Where it was too close in between two era, took best judgement. Out of the 22 bowlers considered, 11 had their best period after age of 29. Only 8 bowlers had peak 24-29. The likes of Donald and Ambrose stand out when we consider that they were already 26 when they made debut.
Imran Khan had average of 14 in 26 tests, at strike rate of 39 and Econ of 2.2, age 30-34!
Yeah Imran had the best 'peak', imo.
Walsh played 50 tests after age of 35 and still had average under 24 and respectable SR of ~60.
To make this stat look even better..Imran Khan had average of 14 in 26 tests, at strike rate of 39 and Econ of 2.2, age 30-34!
From 1982 till 1990, he scored 2401 runs at an average of 51.02.
Legend, one of the first names in the team for me if we were to do an all time greatest 11.
Imran Khan had average of 14 in 26 tests, at strike rate of 39 and Econ of 2.2, age 30-34!
He was at his best around 1982 but a stress fracture stopped him bowling for three years.
I'd go on to say he's on par with Sobers as the two greatest all rounders ever, with Sobers being the better batsman and Imran being the better bowler.
Amazing the amount of fast bowlers on that list had their best years +30. Well statistically anyway. Good stuff by the way, TMH.
Are people really discussing whether Steyn deserves to be considered one of the greats
He is one of less than 10 seam bowlers to take over 400 wickets, and he will surely be one of an even fewer band to take over 500, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility for him to take more than McGrath - and maybe even go above 600 - but that may be pushing it
He is the best seam bowler of this generation, and a legit great, will continue to prove that as his career progresses
He is one of less than 10 seam bowlers to take over 400 wickets, and he will surely be one of an even fewer band to take over 500, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility for him to take more than McGrath - and maybe even go above 600 - but that may be pushing it
He is the best seam bowler of this generation, and a legit great, will continue to prove that as his career progresses
Yea, that is quite surprising. I think it has something to do with how the previous segment is defined though(24-29). I suspect the inclusion of the 'early' years of 24-26 may be affecting the interpretation there in some cases.
If you take all the averages, by individual year(or groups of 2 years actually since there arent so many test matches played in a year) and then multiply the average of every bowler on that list and sort it in ascending order, we'd be able to identify a fast bowler's peak.
If you take all the averages, by individual year(or groups of 2 years actually since there arent so many test matches played in a year) and then multiply the average of every bowler on that list and sort it in ascending order, we'd be able to identify a fast bowler's peak.
Not sure if cricket discussion or SQL.
First test series I watched proper was West Indies vs England up here in 2000 I think, until then I wanted to just bowl very fast like Shoaib (1999 World Cup influence) then I saw Walsh and Ambrose at the very end of their careers and then McGrath the year after and I just wanted to bowl line and length forever and ever.
In this, I have marked in blue, top 5 players in each column. That is best avg all time, best SR all time and so on. If we look into which bowlers get most blue cells, it is Mcgrath 8, Ambrose 7, Marshall, 6. But, Mcgrath and Ambrose each feature 4 times in econ category and given it is tests and Marshall is just marginally behind we can ignore. Marshall features 6 times in blue, without econ.
Gentlemen, I hereby declare Malcolm Marshall as best ever *drumrolls*
Would be ace to account for the average run rate and scores by teams in the respective eras though, but this is asking for a heck of a lot. I think McGrath is the best ever accounting for the eras they've played in. I will say this though Marshall and McGrath and heck even Steyn are ruddy lucky they never had to bowl to their own batsmen.
Yea I had thought of doing this actually, but didn't. More than RR, average runs per wicket scored in that time would be interesting. It will be too much of a effort though to do it for each era of each player. We can however do it decades wise. This will bring Steyn more into equation of best ever because average runs scored per wicket and also the RR in his era has to be lot higher than any previous ones. Yet his average is around the top 5 and SR is best ever all time and best ever in 24-29 group. Features in SR top 5 for each era. For average, he just misses out each time on top 5(except in debut-24).
"I'm shocked"
Good effort TMH, even for someone who doesn't care much about stats like me, it was a nice read.
"I'm shocked"
Good effort TMH, even for someone who doesn't care much about stats like me, it was a nice read.
For once, stats and general opinion matches
Stats do almost always support the best ever discussion though, even in other sports. Just that, along with stats, some other factors are needed sometimes.
Surely someone has done this before somewhere. Average runs per wicket, RR, best players and respective Averages and SR's for each decade would give a real good feel for who is the 'best'.
Ya at overall level it is very easy to do on cricinfo. Here you go:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...batting_average;template=results;type=batting
Batting averages higher in 1940 and strike rates higher in 1910, wasn't expecting that
1940s are on top batting avg wise, followed by 2010s, and then 2000s. Then 1920s and 1930s. I guess 1920s,30s, 40s are there only because of one man, THE GREATEST, THE DON and he skewed the average
Post WW1 was a great era, and arguably the first time the game properly shone in it's true colors with it being largely evolving in the previous years. Some absolute greats such as The Don, George Headley, Wally Hammond, Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Stan McCabe among others being a part of it.