Cricket: ICC World Twenty20 tournament Sept 2007 in South Africa

We'll just pretend not to care about this meaningless format of the game. ;)

Too late for that. Brown people all over the world are bricking it now. ;)

Man, its going to be a lonnnnng lunch hour I take on Monday.
 
There is certainly truth in that - bowling does have an effect on the game.

It has been one of the main reason's why Pakistan are at where they are because the whole unit of bowlers have been bowling well as a team often limiting sides to low scores thus taking pressure of the batsmen and eventually giving Pak a comfortable victory.

I've noticed this and here are a few figures too back it up...

Pakistan's results so far...

Pakistan 171-9 (20 overs) bt Scotland 120 (19.3 overs) by 51 runs
India 141-9 (20 overs) tie with Pakistan 141-7 (India win 3-0 bowl-out)
Pakistan 189-6 (20 overs) beat Sri Lanka 156-9 (20 overs) by 33 runs
Pakistan 165-4 (19.1 overs) beat Australia 164-7 (20 overs) by six wickets
Pakistan 141-6 (19 overs) bt Bangladesh 140 (19.4 overs) by four wickets
Pakistan 147-4 (18.5 overs) beat New Zealand 143-8 (20 overs) by six wickets

Only two teams have passed over 150 against them. A low score in 20/20 I would say. Also on both occasions Pakistan have gone on to beat that score suggesting it was too low - especially in the Sri-Lanka game. In the Aus game they were chasing at a run a ball so slowed their efforts down to make sure of the game.
The match is in Jo'burg though where pitch is as flat as they come. That will certainly benefit India IMO, almost every Indian batsmen seem to be in great touch right now.
 
The match is in Jo'burg though where pitch is as flat as they come. That will certainly benefit India IMO, almost every Indian batsmen seem to be in great touch right now.

The form guide shows India having played in Jo'burg once, against New Zealand where India failed to keep New Zealand scoring down - NZ reached 190. And India lost while failing to reach that total.

On the other hand Pakistan in Jo'burg scored 189 while keeping a then rampant Sri Lanka down to 156. Then, at the same ground, Pakistan kept Australia's score down to 164 before cruising in at 165 at a leisurely pace while chasing.

But form guide goes out of the window in a final. I just hope all Muslims around the world fast and pray extra hard these next few Ramadan days. I know I will. :)
 
Every match played their in this tournament so far... (info off my first post at start of thread which is taken from BBC)

-- Group Stages --

Johannesburg: South Africa 208-2 (17.4 ovs) bt West Indies 205-6 (20 ovs) by 8 wkts

Johannesburg: Bangladesh 165-4 (18 ovs) bt West Indies 164-8 (20 ovs) by 6 wkts

Johannesburg: Sri Lanka 260-6 (20 ovs) bt Kenya 88 (19.3 ovs) by 172 runs

Johannesburg: Sri Lanka 168-3 (18.5 overs) bt New Zealand 164-7 by seven wickets

-- Super Eight's --

Johannesburg: New Zealand 190 (20 overs) beat India 180-9 (20 overs) by 10 runs

Johannesburg: Pakistan 189-6 (20 overs) beat Sri Lanka 156-9 (20 overs) by 33 runs

Johannesburg: Pakistan 165-4 (19.1 overs) beat Australia 164-7 (20 overs) by six wickets

Johannesburg: Sri Lanka 147-5 (20 overs) beat Bangladesh 83 all out (15.5 overs) by 64 runs

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The match is in Jo'burg though where pitch is as flat as they come. That will certainly benefit India IMO, almost every Indian batsmen seem to be in great touch right now.

The two matches I spoke about in my earlier post, Sri-Lanka and Australia, were played there.

Anyway my main point of that post was pointing out that bowling does have a big effect on the game and it isn't just a 'sloggers' match.

I picked PAK because I have watched nearly all their games and the bowling has worked well, we did the same to Aus in the last few overs as you did as well.. bottlers :D

Dump's kinda' taken care of the rest... Pray pray pray, INSHALLAH PAK will win... :smirk:
 
The form guide shows India having played in Jo'burg once, against New Zealand where India failed to keep New Zealand scoring down - NZ reached 190. And India lost while failing to reach that total.

On the other hand Pakistan in Jo'burg scored 189 while keeping a then rampant Sri Lanka down to 156. Then, at the same ground, Pakistan kept Australia's score down to 164 before cruising in at 165 at a leisurely pace while chasing.

But form guide goes out of the window in a final. I just hope all Muslims around the world fast and pray extra hard these next few Ramadan days. I know I will. :)


You just had to spoil the mood here with that, didn't you? Shove religion into everything.

You're one wierd poster. You'll make a few decent posts and then all of a sudden you'll post a piss poor remark and derail the thread with that.

What was the point of saying Muslims and not Pakistanis? Were you looking for a debate here? YOu really think all Muslims around the world, even the ones in India, will be supporting Pakistan come Monday? Are you a retard?

Don't bother answering the last question. I know the answer to that one.
 
You just had to spoil the mood here with that, didn't you? Shove religion into everything.

You're one wierd poster. You'll make a few decent posts and then all of a sudden you'll post a piss poor remark and derail the thread with that.

What was the point of saying Muslims and not Pakistanis? Were you looking for a debate here? YOu really think all Muslims around the world, even the ones in India will be supporting, Pakistan come Monday? Are you a retard?

Don't bother answering the last question. I know the answer to that one.

:lol: He does support Liverpool you know.

Pakistan was my pick before the tournament but I would now the lovefor India to win it for obvious reasons. Whichever way the result goes though a few muppets on each side of the border will ruin it.

If India wins:

Thousands of retarded Indians will dance on the streets and chant nationalist shit.
Hundreds of Pakis will burn a couple efiigies and maybe stone a player's house or two.

If Pakistan wins:

Thousands of retarded Pakis will dance on the streets and chant nationalist shit.
Hundreds of Indians will burn a couple efiigies and maybe stone a player's house or two.
 
Graeme Smith had said before the tournament that it's best to chase in 20-20 or something like that. Been proven wrong in every match we've won(and lost) so far. I hope we bat first in the final and get a really good score. Entirely possible, all our batsmen are on fire. I think we have an amazing chance of winning this.

Uthappa and Yuvraj are awesome. Our team's future.

And does anyone else think that we should just play the Twenty20 world cup once every 2 years and stop with that? no stand-alone tournaments/matches. Would be awesome.
 
I believe it was Donado who said that and he was referring to the 20-20 format more than the India-Pak thing. Although it has to be said that we've overplayed Pak in the last few years. Still, doesn't take anything away from a final. Really looking forward to it. Never thought this format would get me this excited.

Salvation....although I'm still not taking this too seriously...slam bang and all that.Yesterday's match was decent enough, but this is getting pretty boring now.Hope the final's a humdinger too, mind.

India v Pakistan anywhere is brilliant
 
But form guide goes out of the window in a final. I just hope all Muslims around the world fast and pray extra hard these next few Ramadan days. I know I will. :)

Well...a fair few over here will be praying for us...:confused:
 
Salvation....although I'm still not taking this too seriously...slam bang and all that.Yesterday's match was decent enough, but this is getting pretty boring now.Hope the final's a humdinger too, mind.

India v Pakistan anywhere is brilliant

'decent enough'? 'pretty boring now'?

last 5 days we had India v Australia, India v South Africa, India v England.. you found those 'pretty boring'? you're kidding, right?

I don't know what the people there are like, but most of the discussion here has been revolving around the Indian cricket team over the past week and everyone's excited about it. I find it strange that you are so detached from it.
 
I thought Dumpstar was Indian Muslim.

Just watched a bit about Duleep Singh the last Sikh Maharajah. I have to say he came across as a major sell out. No offence turban wearers.
 
'decent enough'? 'pretty boring now'?

last 5 days we had India v Australia, India v South Africa, India v England.. you found those 'pretty boring'? you're kidding, right?

I don't know what the people there are like, but most of the discussion here has been revolving around the Indian cricket team over the past week and everyone's excited about it. I find it strange that you are so detached from it.

I have a different opinion satheesh.Get over it.
 
Face it Donaldo, 20/20 will take over from 50 overs and you Indian folk will soon regard it as the most important form of cricket.
 
How could teams throw 10 wickets in 20 overs, despite this whole slogfest?

Goes completely against the grain of test cricket

The crazy thing about this format, is you can have a shite game, but a couple of massive overs can put you in a great position. Losing wickets isn't a big deal and all. . . you only need a couple of partnerships. If that.
 
The crazy thing about this format, is you can have a shite game, but a couple of massive overs can put you in a great position. Losing wickets isn't a big deal and all. . . you only need a couple of partnerships. If that.

In this format, yes. But if these cnuts have specialised pacing their innings for 50 overs, then they should be able to do so in 20 too. These days ODIs either ways has teams reaching run rates of 6.5 very often and it hasn't changed much in this format either

Crazy
 
Very soon you'll have no specialist bowlers in the team.Just multi-purpose bit part tits.
 
Yep...true.I'll give it this much...it's thrown up a lot of surprises and I can understand where zinger is coming from saying that he loves this form...but the problem is...its just not cricket.

Last night I kept alternating between pacers being the right option in the last few overs or spinners...Aussies bottled it though...55 from 33, they really should've been home and dry.
 
It is wierd though. I'd never seen a 20-20 game before this tournament. Still feel its a bit like silly children's game (for eg. whats the logic of the silly free hit concept) but just can't help getting into the whole competitive spirit of the thing. I was literally biting my nails in the semi-final.

I'll live with 2 or 4 yearly 20-20 tournaments of this sort but can't see 20-20 games being part of regular tours. Would get extremely boring.
 
Yep...true.I'll give it this much...it's thrown up a lot of surprises and I can understand where zinger is coming from saying that he loves this form...but the problem is...its just not cricket.

Last night I kept alternating between pacers being the right option in the last few overs or spinners...Aussies bottled it though...55 from 33, they really should've been home and dry.

Even after NZ made the semis Daniel Vettori publicly admitted he didn't like the form of the game, I follow suit. They say that it is more exciting to watch but the fact is it isn't. It's boring, crap cricket with no type of variation in the type of game played. It used to always excite me how the Black Caps might start an innings; start aggresively to take advantage of the fielding restrictions/start conservatively and conserve wickets etc. You don't get that in 20/20, it's all just like a batting practice. You don't get to see a batsman's technique and strokemakers are forced into an unfamiliar game, whilst you don't get the same excitement from a partnership forming. Bowlers are forced into bowling a generic delivery, limiting the variation in what one can bowl. I guess the only one positive in cricketing terms is the unpredictability of who will win a certain game, although even that in itself is not necessairly a good thing.
 
It is wierd though. I'd never seen a 20-20 game before this tournament. Still feel its a bit like silly children's game (for eg. whats the logic of the silly free hit concept) but just can't help getting into the whole competitive spirit of the thing. I was literally biting my nails in the semi-final.

I'll live with 2 or 4 yearly 20-20 tournaments of this sort but can't see 20-20 games being part of regular tours. Would get extremely boring.
Same as me, I have enjoyed the last two Indian matches.
 
Well...a fair few over here will be praying for us...:confused:

:lol:

Yeah I know, in fact there's more Muslims in India than Pakistan. The comment was tongue in cheek and I certainly want NO debate on religious issues.

I can't believe Mehro's just turned into a politically correct girl all of sudden and thrown a hissy fit. Mehro lighten up mate, we've got a great tournament-ender coming up tomorrow. :)

Blimey, I'm walking on eggshells here...:wenger:
 
Even after NZ made the semis Daniel Vettori publicly admitted he didn't like the form of the game, I follow suit. They say that it is more exciting to watch but the fact is it isn't. It's boring, crap cricket with no type of variation in the type of game played. It used to always excite me how the Black Caps might start an innings; start aggresively to take advantage of the fielding restrictions/start conservatively and conserve wickets etc. You don't get that in 20/20, it's all just like a batting practice. You don't get to see a batsman's technique and strokemakers are forced into an unfamiliar game, whilst you don't get the same excitement from a partnership forming. Bowlers are forced into bowling a generic delivery, limiting the variation in what one can bowl. I guess the only one positive in cricketing terms is the unpredictability of who will win a certain game, although even that in itself is not necessairly a good thing.

Kiwi, can I use this exact same text tomorrow if Pakistan lose? It will save me thinking it all up again.

Cheers mate. ;)
 
If India wins:

Thousands of retarded Indians will dance on the streets and chant nationalist shit.
Hundreds of Pakis will burn a couple efiigies and maybe stone a player's house or two.

If Pakistan wins:

Thousands of retarded Pakis will dance on the streets and chant nationalist shit.
Hundreds of Indians will burn a couple efiigies and maybe stone a player's house or two.

:lol:

You forgot the fact that the losing side will deny all interest in the new format and call it a lower form of the sport... ;)

Oh yeah if PAK win we played good if we don't they been bribed...

Remember PAK v Bangladesh a few WC's ago after we just won Aus in the groups! :D

Dayyum, its gonna' be a tense match tomorrow!
 
Don;t think players will be lynched for losing tomorrow, no body expected Indian team to make it this far. But given that it's Pak on the opposite side, there would be massive disappointment among the public.
 
The final starts soon. I really don't know why they are holding it on a Monday.