Craig Gordon

peterstorey said:
Don't be silly, he's behind Green and James let alone Hart.
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Surely you are not serious? He would walk into the team ahead of all three. Hart is only so highly rated because he's English, not because he's actually world class like the media have you believe.

peterstorey said:
All that may be true but Gordon's probably not PL quality (what's the time Gio?)
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Not PL quality? That comment alone has just confirmed that you actually know nothing.

peterstorey said:
Hart is definitely way better than Gordon and Green is probably better.
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Based on what? Green is probably better? Suggests you've never seen Gordon play.

He'd also walk into the Arsenal team, miles better than Almunia, Szczezny and Fabianski.
 
Gordon is a good goalkeeper, but his kicking is not great, and because of this I hope we don't see him as our future goalkeeper. He is clearly better than Green.
 
It's probably best if you just don't pay any attention to petestorey. He's been a spastic with football matters for some time now.
 
towcester_red said:
Thats all true.

I was laughing at his ridiculous comment about Gordon not being Premier League quality.
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Oh aye I know. More directed at the earlier comment made about Hart only being made a deal out of because he's English. It's obvious how much talent he has.

Gordon not being premier league quality is laughable to be fair.
 
B Cantona said:
Surely at about this point in forming your sentence, alarm bells started to go off no?
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No - I have long thought that Fergie finds it hard to trust a keeper, or maybe pick the right one - I don't know. Schmeichel and VDS are the only two he has really got right in the time I have been watching United. Bosnich, Barthez, Taibi, Howard, Foster, Carroll have all be, to less or greater extents, failures overall when it came to being first choice. I would throw Kuszczak in there to but I don't think he was bought to ever be first choice.

The man is a legend, no doubt, but he isn't perfect, and I think one of his issues is to do with keepers - either picking the wrong one or not giving them the faith/confidence that was maybe required.
 
Mitch Conor said:
No - I have long thought that Fergie finds it hard to trust a keeper, or maybe pick the right one - I don't know. Schmeichel and VDS are the only two he has really got right in the time I have been watching United. Bosnich, Barthez, Taibi, Howard, Foster, Carroll have all be, to less or greater extents, failures overall when it came to being first choice. I would throw Kuszczak in there to but I don't think he was bought to ever be first choice.

The man is a legend, no doubt, but he isn't perfect, and I think one of his issues is to do with keepers - either picking the wrong one or not giving them the faith/confidence that was maybe required.
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Buying goalkeepers is possibly the hardest position to buy for in my opinion, they can have the greatest ability and potential but one mistake can end a career. Its so different than an outfield player.

The two that he has 'got really right' have been there for over half his time at the club.

Clearly some of the ones that flopped have the ability but couldnt handle it at a big club - see Foster, Howard.

Barthez was also great for a couple of years.

It isnt easy replacing great goalkeepers, just ask Arsene Wenger.
 
towcester_red said:
Buying goalkeepers is possibly the hardest position to buy for in my opinion, they can have the greatest ability and potential but one mistake can end a career. Its so different than an outfield player.

The two that he has 'got really right' have been there for over half his time at the club.

Clearly some of the ones that flopped have the ability but couldnt handle it at a big club - see Foster, Howard.

Barthez was also great for a couple of years.

It isnt easy replacing great goalkeepers, just ask Arsene Wenger.
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This is true - but my comment was in reply to the assertion that Gordon would be capable and (more importantly to my point) allowed to grow into a world class keeper.

I'm not so sure Fergie has shown that allowing a keeper to grow into a world class player, which implies living through his mistakes, sticking by him while he gains the experience required etc is something that is high on Fergies list of attributes.

Schmeichel and VDS were always at least solid (imo) so sticking by them was never much of an issue.

So, I don't think my comment is that 'out there' to be honest - I think Fergie is likely to go for a top experienced keeper that will likely always be solid, rather than go for a younger keeper that could potentially be the United no.1 for years and years, but who would also be likely to go through some rough spells and need to be stuck by.

I would admit part of the issue is that at United you can't really afford to stick by mistake making keepers as the margins for error between our ambitions and success are so thin.
 
I'm curious ... tell me why you rate Hart so highly ... what traits do you believe make him a top class keeper, bearing in mind a lot of you are saying he is better than Gordon, who has far more experience and is rated at the $10m mark.

Hart is a good keeper but I don't and haven't seen to date anything that leads me to believe he is anything other than that. He's just not consistent enough ... proneto errors and his positioning is questionable.
 
MaroonPondlife said:
I'm curious ... tell me why you rate Hart so highly ... what traits do you believe make him a top class keeper, bearing in mind a lot of you are saying he is better than Gordon, who has far more experience and is rated at the $10m mark.

Hart is a good keeper but I don't and haven't seen to date anything that leads me to believe he is anything other than that. He's just not consistent enough ... proneto errors and his positioning is questionable.
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Reliable, good agility, great shot stopper.

I don't agree with his positioning being questionable to be fair.

Prone to errors would be the likes of Foster...

I don't know what's not to like with him being so young and the amount he could develop from here.

Just an opinion really, just what I see.
 
MaroonPondlife said:
I'm curious ... tell me why you rate Hart so highly ... what traits do you believe make him a top class keeper, bearing in mind a lot of you are saying he is better than Gordon, who has far more experience and is rated at the $10m mark.

Hart is a good keeper but I don't and haven't seen to date anything that leads me to believe he is anything other than that. He's just not consistent enough ... proneto errors and his positioning is questionable.
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His positioning is the best part of his game, it's remarkable considering his age.

I hate bigging up citeh players but Hart is a star, composed, great with his feet (he even takes a quality pen).
 
Hard to bash Hart.... He's been one of the best players on the pitch in several City games I've seen this season

Gordon is underrated... but I'm not sure he's the man I'd go after to fill VDS's shoes.

But for all the talk of bringing in a continental keeper (Lloris, Neuer, Buffon ect) it will take a new keeper time to adjust to the English game (more so, and with greater consequences than an outfield player)
 
Didn't Birmingham have the best defence last year? And City do this year, suggests Hart's got something about him. Gordon I like a lot, as I said earlier in the thread would be great to have as a number 2 to VDS and given opportunities to see if he can make it. Not sure if he could be number 1 straight away.
 
cw1984 said:
Are you making that decision based only on highlights? I wouldn't mind betting that you are.



That really isn't true. VDS, Cech, Reina are all miles ahead of him. I'd even say the likes of Howard, Jaaskelainen, Friedel and Gomez are better too.
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I'll understand if you were to base that on how they've played in recent years but have you seen them this season?
 
Hitchcocker said:
I'll understand if you were to base that on how they've played in recent years but have you seen them this season?
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I've seen the odd Villa game on TV and he's been alright. I go to Bolton quite regularly and Jaaskelainen has been as solid as ever.

Watch him have a shocker against Chelsea now...
 
Gordon is a very good goalkeeper except his kicking is not great. Kicking or distribution is the most important thing for me, which is why I am quite excited to see Lindegaard play because he is supposed to be very good with the ball.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
If it is you'll be very lucky.

He's the best in the league.
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:lol::lol:
You should have gone to a branch of spec savers outside of scotland.

cw1984 said:
Are you making that decision based only on highlights? I wouldn't mind betting that you are.
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In fairness he's had this ridiculous opinion for quite sometime.


cw1984 said:
That really isn't true. VDS, Cech, Reina are all miles ahead of him. I'd even say the likes of Howard, Jaaskelainen, Friedel and Gomez are better too.
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Agree with all of that.
 
BAMSOLA said:
:lol::lol:
You should have gone to a branch of spec savers outside of scotland.



In fairness he's had this ridiculous opinion for quite sometime.




Agree with all of that.
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So going by all your comments, clearly you've hardly watched him other than on MOTD then either?
 
Scholesy said:
Gordon is a very good goalkeeper except his kicking is not great. Kicking or distribution is the most important thing for me, which is why I am quite excited to see Lindegaard play because he is supposed to be very good with the ball.
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Preventing the ball from entering the goal is the most important thing for me.
 
londonredmaniac said:
I rate Hart higher, lads it's not because he's English...It's because he is class. City have themselves a real star.

But there is no way Green is a better keeper than Gordon.
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Total agreement here. That save against Arsenal was absolutely world class.
 
BAMSOLA said:
I've seen enough of him before and during this season (whilst watching Welbeck) to know that he isn't among the best 5 or 6 keepers in this league and isn't united standard.

Simple really.
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So you've watched him week in-week out this season then?
 
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