Could we please start investing in PL-proven talents again?

That assumes that our scouts and transfer team can get us good bargains.

There are bargains available from the EPL teams. Just don't think we have the nous to get those done whether we hire EPL proven players or we hire from outside.

Teams get good transfers done. We really don't.
 
It's all the more imperative that we have a coach with a definite style of play, it makes identification of players much more easier.

For example , a player with a similar profile as Murillo at Forest makes good sense for us. He's used to be playing in a relatively similar role at CB as what's expected from our CBs. A Murillo isn't viable for us probably because forest would ask for an arm and a leg. But there is enough tech help etc around nowadays to see and scout defenders who can do that. By all means , get Murillo if the price is right. But otherwise , get ready for viable alternatives before hand. This is just an example.
 
Well we're comparing Premier League players to players from Europe in terms of cost.

If we can only count players who are definitely good enough based on posters subjective opinions this becomes a much shorter and trickier conversation.

Onana not good enough, yeah OK. Casemiro also not good enough. But also more expensive, higher wages, 8 years older, no sell on fee.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing in any one way but ultimately there's no way United can have their primary transfer focus being overseas players who cost less than £30million. No manager will get long enough to make that work.
The original point was that we need 14-16 new players. Young, hungry, fast, strong, athletic players.

12+ of those don't need to be superstars. They need to be good players, sure...but with the right coach, the right profile and the right attitude, a squad with 20 players who are 7.5/10 (but the right profile) can be very successful. Liverpool have shown this.

What you then need is the superstars. Liverpool again a good example. Built a fit, athletic, functional side, and spent £160m on the best goalkeeper and the best CB available...but only when they had the foundations in-place.

We can't do that now. Opportunity cost is too high. Spend £160m on two players and they'd be the only two players we could afford to buy that Summer.

We also need to recognise that profile is more important than some arbitrary, subjective notion of talent / ability. Martinez is 5ft 9" and slow. For those reasons, he's out. Automatically. Eriksen can't run. He's out. Bruno is weak and slow. He's out. Rashford is weak and lazy. He's out. Etc...
 
Sometimes, forums like this are a great place to test a hypothesis, and I can see mine didn’t hold up under scrutiny. After reading the feedback, I’d like to revise my argument as follows:

1. Focus on players who have proven themselves at a high level for a decent period of time—ideally those who have logged 5,000+ minutes in a top-five league. This includes stars like Kevin De Bruyne, Rodri, Mohamed Salah, Alisson, Roberto Firmino, Joško Gvardiol, John Stones, Raheem Sterling, Joël Matip, and Gabriel at Arsenal. These examples represent the bulk of the major investments made by Arsenal, City, and Liverpool.

2. Avoid paying big money for players with limited top-level success—either because they’ve only had a few strong seasons or limited playing time (e.g., Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Joshua Zirkzee), or because they come from a lower-level league and haven’t demonstrated the necessary consistency at the highest standard (e.g., Antony, Lisandro Martínez, Darwin Núñez).


3. Never hand out expensive contracts to players who will have little to no resale value by the time the deal ends. We’ve seen this with Zlatan, Sánchez, Matic, Falcao, Casemiro, and Varane. Occasionally, these signings work out, but more often than not, they’re costly short-term fixes with diminishing returns.

4. Be very cautious about recruiting from elite clubs, as it typically requires offering very high wages—significantly increasing risk if the player doesn’t adapt or fails to meet expectations. A bloated salary structure can also undermine squad harmony and long-term sustainability.

5. If you deviate from these rules, do so for exceptional talents or reasonable deals. Think Bruno Fernandes in the first bracket, or Tyrell Malacia, Amad Diallo, and Facundo Pellistri in the second. The latter category involves smaller fees or salaries that the club can likely recoup—or even profit from—later on.

Furthermore, ensuring players fit the overarching philosophy and style of play is paramount. A cohesive identity—tactically and culturally—matters more than rigid age brackets. Physicality is also crucial in the Premier League, so signings from other leagues must be able to handle its rigors. Ideally, steer clear of those who lack “extreme” physical attributes (e.g., Juan Mata, Lisandro Martínez, Jadon Sancho, Antony, Victor Lindelöf), as their lower threshold in this area can undermine performance. While the club might miss out on the next Eden Hazard or Paul Scholes, it also avoids the risk of repeated misfires.

Ultimately, the guiding principle should be a balance between proven performance, physical and tactical suitability, and alignment with the club’s philosophy. Age itself is secondary to clear evidence that a player can thrive under the demands at Manchester United.

Better? Can I send this to Jimmy?
 
I’d love us to look at the Championship more. I know the club would turn their noses up at the thought but we are a mid table club now and it shouldn’t be beneath us. We’ve been happy to sign all these duds from the Dutch league over the years despite the Championship being a far superior league for talent and Championship players significantly outperforming Eredivisie players.

Toney, Watkins, Eze, Oliseh, Mbeumo, etc were all easily identifiable as standout talents when they were in the Championship.
And the conveyer belt will continue. Bellingham at Sunderland, Cooper at Sheff Utd, Mason Clark at Coventry. Hackney at Boro. Whittaker at Plymouth. They’ll all probs be in the Prem in a few years one way or another.
 
Physicality is also crucial in the Premier League, so signings from other leagues must be able to handle its rigors. Ideally, steer clear of those who lack “extreme” physical attributes (e.g., Juan Mata, Lisandro Martínez, Jadon Sancho, Antony, Victor Lindelöf), as their lower threshold in this area can undermine performance.

Just saw Chelsea and were reminded of the Nkunku-hype on here. Think it is a bit of a similar case. Was very good in Bundesliga. Just dont have the physique in the PL. Lacks pace and intensity. A bit like Sancho, but less talented.