Could we please start investing in PL-proven talents again?

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Over the past few seasons, clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal, have often looked to Premier League talent in the 23-26 age bracket—especially from mid-table or smaller sides—to strengthen key positions. Signings such as Sadio Mané and van Dijk (from Southampton), Robertson (from Hull), Winjaldum from Newcastle, are just a few examples of how these teams have successfully integrated quality players who were already proven in top-flight football. At Arsenal, the arrival of players like Ben White, David Raya, Declan Rice, Gabriel Jesus, Kai Havertz, Zinchenko further proves the point: they were acclimatized to the Premier League’s pace and physicality, hit the ground running, and demanded more modest wages compared to marquee names from Europe’s top clubs.

In contrast, Manchester United have, for too long, relied on two less effective strategies. The first involves bringing in established stars on big contracts late in their careers—often from other top European clubs—who may lack hunger or have limited longevity. The second is recruiting very young talents (e.g., Luke Shaw), who inevitably require a few years before developing into consistent first-team material. These approaches place United in a disadvantageous position compared to rivals who keep refreshing their squads with players at or near their peak, with proven performance in the same league.

Players in the 23-26 age bracket typically strike the perfect balance: they’ve built up valuable experience without hitting their career ceiling, so their transfer fees and wage demands often remain reasonable. More importantly, they’re versatile, durable, and can be molded into the system quickly while offering an immediate impact. This strategy also helps maintain a sustainable wage structure by avoiding the astronomical salaries demanded by older superstars or the inflated fees for future “wonderkids.»

From the top of my head, I can only remember Man Utd doing this a handful of times after Ferguson left; Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Mount, Mata, Lukaku and Maguire. While we can all agree that neither turned out very successfull, we were actually able to recoup a big part of the fee for a few of them (Lukaku and Schneiderlin). And some actually did play a big part for years (like Maguire). The most expensive mistakes (Mount and Mata) where players signed from top clubs. Mainly because we have to pay top salary to attract them.

I know there is a «PL-premium», but buying from smaller leagues have turned out expensive too.

Acquiring players with Premier League experience, especially from clubs who lack the financial muscle to demand exorbitant fees or pay big salaries, is a sensible approach. It offers both immediate returns on the pitch and long-term squad stability.

Looking ahead, potential targets that fit this profile could include:

  • Matheus Cunha (Wolves): Versatile forward who’s adapted to Premier League intensity and could bolster United’s attacking depth.
  • Murillo (Nottingham Forest): Young-ish center-back still in the right age bracket, and already showing he can handle Premier League challenges.
  • Rayan Ait-Nouri (Wolves): Another Wolves prospect. A modern full-back with attacking flair who wouldn’t necessarily cost a fortune.
  • Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton): A promising defender who’s impressing this season. He’s at an age where he can both compete now and grow further.
I think this is the type of talents we would have looked at under Ferguson. It’s time for United to revert back to a similar model/strategt —rather than paying the premium for marquee names or waiting years to see if younger talents fully develop.
 
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Has to be the way.

Be realistic about the targets but go for players in their prime and Prem League proven. Stick to that for two windows and then start to elaborate a bit.

Look at the mid table clubs and take their best player.
 
Problem with this tactic is that PL teams no longer have to sell in order to raise transfer funds given the share of the generous TV payments

They still sell players though.

And it's not like we're getting particularly cheap deals from overseas.
 
Problem with this tactic is that PL teams no longer have to sell in order to raise transfer funds given the share of the generous TV payments

Didn’t stop Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal strengthening themselves with top PL talents.

I fully endorse the OP. It’s such an obvious fix to the situation we’re in. Established top quality PL players aged 23+. Yes please.
 
It's much easier when you're only looking for 1 or 2 players every year. Utd are at maybe 3/4 windows away from having a settled squad in a position to push for the top end of the table. I'd say at least 2 maybe even 3 seasons away from even thinking about mounting a serious title challenge, that's not even thinking about having a proper go at the CL.

The goal should be to have a squad where you only need to make a few adjustments every year to maintain the levels and competitiveness within the group. No point bringing 4 or 5 players in from relegation threatened sides and then expecting them to be able to get Utd back to the top right away.
 
A few months ago Ian Graham (the Liverpool recruitment guy) gave a presentation where he outlined five key mistakes to avoid in recuitment. And one of them was "he knows the league".
 
Not sure about Branthwaite impressing this season, thought he's been poor in my opinion and looked very shaky. Was much better last season.
He was poor against us but Everton have kept a clean sheet in 5 of the 6 games since his return, including games vs Arsenal and Chelsea.
 
But Everton wanted over £75m for Branthwaite. Brighton got £100m for Caicedo.

For every bargain there is an absolute robbery. So just buying from within the Prem isn’t the answer.

United need a bit of luck finding a few Vidic/Evra type transfers.
 
But Everton wanted over £75m for Branthwaite. Brighton got £100m for Caicedo.

For every bargain there is an absolute robbery. So just buying from within the Prem isn’t the answer.

United need a bit of luck finding a few Vidic/Evra type transfers.
£100 million well spent on Caicedo, relatively speaking.
 
Problem with this tactic is that PL teams no longer have to sell in order to raise transfer funds given the share of the generous TV payments
This. Murillo alone would cost you north of 75m. If you only have to fill one or two spots and you are tight on PSR (as you are), then this could still work. If you need to turnover a decent section of the squad it gets tough.

Air Nouri was going for a reasonable price… emphasis on WAS. Knowing when to act is another issue. Last two windows Hincapie was available for 23m apparently. Now that probably won’t be the case.
 
A few months ago Ian Graham (the Liverpool recruitment guy) gave a presentation where he outlined five key mistakes to avoid in recuitment. And one of them was "he knows the league".

Odd because Liverpool seem to sign plenty from the Prem League and it appears to work.

But it's not about "knowing the league" anyway. It's about proving you're up to it via consistent performance.
 
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With the money and talent that has poured into the league, most clubs are able to hold onto their best players and demand the highest price possible given there is no real financial pressure to sell. Look at the business Brighton has done for example; Everton didn’t budge from their asking price for Brainthwaite as another. Even the likes of Cunha will come at a huge price given what spurs just paid for Solanke. It’s a great idea, but difficult to implement in practice. What the club needs to do is identify these players when they’re young and don’t attract the huge price tag.
 
A few months ago Ian Graham (the Liverpool recruitment guy) gave a presentation where he outlined five key mistakes to avoid in recuitment. And one of them was "he knows the league".
What were the others?
 
But Everton wanted over £75m for Branthwaite. Brighton got £100m for Caicedo.

For every bargain there is an absolute robbery. So just buying from within the Prem isn’t the answer.

United need a bit of luck finding a few Vidic/Evra type transfers.
Caicedo is a monster. Top player.
 
Murillo is a good example of needing to move faster with deals. Chelsea was working on a deal for him away from good while back. Back then there was talk of 40 to 45m. We didn’t push to get it completed, Forest worked out some of there issues, and now the deal might not make sense at the higher valuations. He’s still good, is he 75m good? You have to then co wider the other options in that bracket.

John Duran. We came to within an hour of pushing that deal through for 40. We had Victor and Sami on the brain and didn’t close it. Still a great player, but now it’s gonna be a ton more.

Trust your personnel people more, and don’t wait until everyone wants them. It could make a massive difference.
 
Odd because Liverpool seem to sign plenty from the Prem League and it appears to work.

They sign players their scouting and data analytics say suit their team. Which will sometimes be players from the PL. But will also be players like Firmino, Salah, Alisson, Matip, etc.

The point being that the idea of a player being "PL proven" as a quality in itself is nonsense. Succeeding at one PL club doesn't prove anything about how you'll do at a different PL club, which is why intra PL transfers involving "PL proven" players so regularly fail.
 
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A few months ago Ian Graham (the Liverpool recruitment guy) gave a presentation where he outlined five key mistakes to avoid in recuitment. And one of them was "he knows the league".

But you could argue he has selfinterest in saying that. Do you need a data guy to sign PL-proven? Hardly.

At Liverpool, Robertson, van Dijk, Henderson, Winjaldum and Mane had plenty of PL-experience. Salah had experience but not PL-proven. Matip, Fabinho, Alisson and Firmino where probably the ones who was not. Trent homegrown.

Their biggest failures (and only failures) from the PL was injury prone. Like Ox. From abroad, it was more mixed. Like Thiago and Keita (who Graham pushed hard for).
 
£100 million well spent on Caicedo, relatively speaking.

If United were only looking to buy 1 or 2 players then maybe it would be possible to spend that much on a Prem player, but with Sir Jim in charge I can’t see it happening myself.
 
They sign players their scouting and data analytics say suit their team. Which will sometimes be players from the PL. But will also be players like Firmino, Salah, Alisson, Matip, etc.

The point being that the idea of a player being "PL proven" as a quality in itself is nonsense. Succeeding at one PL club doesn't prove anything about how you'll do at a different PL club, which is why intra PL transfers involving "PL proven" players so regularly fail.

It can't be nonsense. It's at the very least an indicator.

I'm just skeptical of that claim. The top 4 club that's probably signed more PL proven players than any other says ignore Premier League proven.

And as others have said, it's worked brilliantly for them.
 
Of course, it's just hard to name successful ones from the PL for us
What even was our last unqualified successful proper PL signing, discounting Evans. Last I can think of that was actually good is RVP. More than a decade ago. God our transfer record is abject.
 
Two issues. PL clubs are all really wealthy compared to all of Europe so unless you are willing to pay the fees Chelsea have given to Brighton then there is no need to sell. Secondly, there are at least 4 more attractive clubs to join over us in City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea
 
But it’s also ignoring that these teams also recruited well from outside the prem:

Arsenal:

Odegaard, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Martinelli, Partey

Liverpool:

Salah, Alisson, Firmino, Matip, Fabinho, Gravenberch, DS, Diaz

City:

Haaland, KDB, Rodri, Dias, Akanji, Silva, Alvarez, ederson, Sane, Aguero, Toure, D.Silva

Since SAF retired you could probably count on one hand the amount of decent signings we have made which is a huge problem.
 
Don't:
- Sign a short-term fix
- Sign "experience"
- Sign "he knows the league"
- Sign unsuitable for style
- Sign "we can fix him".
Can someone let our recruitment know this is the list of what not to do, and not the other way around?
 
Can't help thinking of Schneiderlin, Mount and Shaw when I read this
Shaw shouldn't be ranked with these 2.
Shaw at least has had some top quality times with us, the other 2 ranged from average to an absolute ghost.
 
It's Eriksen - doesn't move the needle much but he's been a decent player overall
Not sure I'd agree he's been an unqualified success, which was what I was going for. But he's been alright. As was Mata.
 
Issues is as others have mentioned, we need an overhaul in our squad where we cannot afford to buy a proven PL player. They cost more and don’t need to sell.

Arsenal were able to spend it on Rice, there squad at that point was already capable.

Maybe in the future we can, rather we buy cheap athletic young players who we can develop into our system. Surely if we buy 5, atleast 1-2 might come out useful.
 
Completely agree with the OP. Our transfer dealing have been dreadful the last couple of years. We have effectively spent a fortune building a mid-table quality squad.