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Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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If it's stopped again it will be decided on current placings or PPG if teams haven't played the same number of games when its stopped. The FA have made it clear that voiding is not an option.
I would really like to know what is an acceptable rate of infected players to the football authorities.
When they started testing recently, they must have some sort of number, after which they say "feck this, we can't play".
The two main factors driving the restart are broadcast deals and contractual agreements with the EFL and FA regarding promotion and relegation. By restarting they get the money from the TV deals (or don't have to refund if its already been paid) and also give the teams in and around the relegation zone a chance to maintain their PL status by results on the pitch as opposed to PPG.
The FA urged on by the Media and Liverpool * have made it clear that voiding is not an option.
Just had a thought about next season and the issue of possible return of fans midway thru the season. One of the big problems about Project Restart is that for example we played City at Anfield in front of our fans and they will play the reverse in front of no fans (probably not a great example but you get what I mean).
So why not have next season as a series of double headers. So match day 2 is a reverse of match day 1 etc - that will minimise some of the integrity issues. If done properly they could also leave all the big games till the end of the season. Imagine the final run of games being double headers between Liverpool, Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves, Leicester, Spurs. And that would likely mean that the relegation battling sides would also all be playing each other during the run in. Add in the possibility of fans coming back during this period and it would make for a hell of a seasons end.
So why not have next season as a series of double headers. So match day 2 is a reverse of match day 1 etc - that will minimise some of the integrity issues. If done properly they could also leave all the big games till the end of the season. Imagine the final run of games being double headers between Liverpool, Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves, Leicester, Spurs. And that would likely mean that the relegation battling sides would also all be playing each other during the run in. Add in the possibility of fans coming back during this period and it would make for a hell of a seasons end.
Which one? It could make a huge difference.
Do you have a link?
Also, the FA might have 'made it clear' that voiding is not an option, right up to the point where it is the only option. I'm sure you know that though.
Not a bad idea in fairness
Greg Clarke said on one of the recent calls with all stakeholders (think it was 11 May) that the governing body will not sanction a void or no relegation. I'm sure you can easily find details on google.
Unweighted PPG will see Bournemouth relegated and a couple of other clubs change places. Weighted PPG will see West Ham relegated instead of Bournemouth. It's more likely they will use PPG than current placings because 4 teams (City, Arsenal, Sheffield Utd and Villa) have played a games less because of the league cup Final.
So you don't know, but your answer previously stated it as facts.
Maybe you can't see this being so desperate for the first title in 30 years, but there are many other clubs who stand to win or lose on these technicalities. To be taken more seriously around here, I'd suggest being a bit more objective.
I'm watching Schalke v Augsburg and I don't mind it being behind closed doors. A crowd would be better but I don't see one is essential. Just my opinion of course, I get some people might need a crowd.
If pool lose 5 and city win 5 the lead drops to a "mere" 10 points.
Don't know what? That the season won't be voided? See Greg Clarke's comments which confirm that.
Will they will go with PPG or current placings? This question could be moot as the PL are currently working towards completion BCD but if that fails then they will decide how placings will be finalised.
I quite often mute the commentary, so don't hear the crowd anyway. In this country they are just a load of people making rude hand gestures.
You don't know what you asserted earlier. Try not to make things up, it makes you look silly.
Confirm? Maybe, if you can link the new rules stating this, then fine. I have yet to see them, nor heard that such a thing exists.
Take off your blinkers. Clearly we can't restart without these technicalities being decided in advance. I shouldn't need to explain the possible scenarios which could arise if the laws aren't agreed before we restart.
Do you know how to use google? If not perhaps you could ask someone to teach you - its not difficult. Once you've mastered how to search you will find several articles quoting Greg Clarke as stating that the FA will "not sanction a void or no relegation". By definition, with voiding not an option, this leaves 4 possible options:
BCD
PPG Unweighted
PPG weighted
Current standings final
Wether the PL decide beforehand on which of the last 3 options will be used in the event of Project Restart failing to get off the ground or failing midway thru doesn't matter as these are the only options. That is unless you know of some other viable option which no-one has yet put forward?
And in fact to prevent conspiracy theories gaining traction it could be argued it's better they don't confirm beforehand as different scenario's benefit different teams.
Not only did the FA tell the premier league that the current season has to be settled by sporting merit, UEFA mentioned a few weeks ago that teams can only enter their competitions by sporting merit. They won't be allowed to enter if the their countries league is null and voided
Why are you being this obtuse?
When you can point to Greg Clarke stating that the rules now include what you think they do, I will happily agree that to be the case. The onus is on you to produce this, as you stated it as a fact. Until then, as with politicians, the FA will say what is least likely to cause trouble for them in the short term.
Maybe I do need to spell out the possible scenarios which show why the rules MUST be known before a restart. Frankly though, I'm not going to bother, as I think you are seriously looking at this thing from purely your own club's point of view. We all know that you expect to win your next 2 games, at which point you won't give a flying fk what happens to the rest of the games or the other teams involved.
Ok so you think because the FA and/or PL haven't added a new rule which states XYZ that voiding is still an option? And Greg Clarke's statement to all stakeholders and the PL's contractual agreements with the FA and EFL mean zip. No problem, far be it from me to stop you clutching at straws - I'll play along.
Until the FA carve in stone the minutes of the meeting from 11 May voiding is definitely, absolutely, 100% still on the table, in fact it's probably the likely outcome because.. erm..Karen Brady wants it to happen.
Yes. That's basically how rules work.
I take it that because you have no link to the new rules, that you are basically going on the public statements. As I have tried to point out to you, these cannot be taken as the final word.
I have no idea and i suspect neither do the Premier League they're winging this in the hope they can get the league finished in some fashion.
At no point in any of my posts did I reference a "new rule". All anyone can go on at the moment is public statements and actions from the stakeholders. As there has not been a single statement or action to indicate voiding is (or indeed, ever was) an option, and in fact statements and actions to the contrary are a matter of record, most people who were hoping for, or at least didn't mind, a void have now let go of that hope.
Voiding is of course unlikely right now, given the PL is being allowed to resume. But that wasn't the point I was talking about, as you know.
I brought up what happens in the quite possible situation where all games cannot be completed. You seem convinced there won't be any situation where the season can be voided, I simply assert that until alternative rules are written in, all options remain on the table. I'm really not sure why you are arguing against that simple idea.
When you say things like this in response to a question, I suggest you try to use language that makes it clear that you don't actually know the answer. Because, as far as I can tell, this has not yet been formalised.
The league have said it wont be voided. Some basis will be used to get a final league table.
Nothing will change that.
United fan.
Although it's not official as yet there seems to be a plan emerging of playing all the league games left first, 2 games a week until completion. Then having FA cup 1/4, Semi n Final all within 1 week after game week 38 is finished. And then finally to complete the CL n EL in August.
This is going to throw next season into absolute chaos because teams who only have league games left will get 4 weeks off you'd imagine. How is that protecting the integrity of the competition if United and City for example have to play for another 4 weeks and don't get the same rest as the scousers for the 2020/2021 season? It's going to get very messy I think.
This is going to throw next season into absolute chaos because teams who only have league games left will get 4 weeks off you'd imagine. How is that protecting the integrity of the competition if United and City for example have to play for another 4 weeks and don't get the same rest as the scousers for the 2020/2021 season? It's going to get very messy I think.
If all games cannot be completed and voiding has been explicitly ruled out, which it has, then there are only the aforementioned options left - PPG or current placings final.
If you're basing your viewpoint on rules yet to be formally written (and possibly never will be, at least this season) rather than on statements and actions to date (by both the PL and FA) then there is not much else to say except - keep on hoping!
Links?
Heard it on talksport earlier from a journalist. Like I said it's not official and just a rumour anyway. However you can see it going that way. Can't see them juggling from league to cup to Europe back to league right now can you?
There's so many layers to this mess it's crazy.
United and city would role into the new season on better form.
I think having this what 3 month break, smashing out games, then another break would be more disruptive than just carrying on through.
Apparently they already had about 10k fans in the stands for one of the matches in Vietnam a few days ago.
Better form? No guarantee at all.
Maybe you mean match fit.
But that has a huge risk of burn out down the road sometime. Like you see with those early round Europa entrants
Sorry yes thats what i meant. I think if they do it like that just roll into the next season teams that played through will start the new year better as you said.
On the issue of burnout, highly possible, but youd think they would be cutting thr Carling cup or something like that from the schedule next season, maybe an extended winter break or something as well.
Although the euros are next summer, well pencilled in, so they might not have the wiggle room for an mid season break.
OMG, Benny Hill
now wants us to read this article confirming Liverpool * are champions * already !Since august 2018 this is his 19th post.
The question comes into my mind:
Why are you here in the first place Benny (Liverpool* supporter) Hill ??!
We'd certainly need to beef the squad up a little in the right areas.
We cannot risk going in with Martial, Rashford and Greenwood like last year. We're very lucky we still have a decent chance of rescuing this season after the amount of time the two main guys have spent injured. With Greenwood still obviously being massively ..well, green!
Tbf Vietnam have controlled the outbreak superbly.
I don't think the season will be voided as such but I think it's still very possible is scrapped and league places decided by other means. It's also possible there's no champions and no relegation or promotion from the football leagues as evidenced in other countries.
Yeah potentially start off better but what about when it comes to game 33,34, 35 etc. Fatigue kicks in eventually.
It's an absolute mess.
100% it will be voided - its only logical.