Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[Tel074]

Would he be willing to do that if he were going to an international tournament, where many teams in the past have had restrictions on bringing family members in the hotel where the players stay?

If so, then he shouldn't have an issue with being away from his son for a similar time. As important as his family is, he should also realise that clubs financial security is at stake and with it, the jobs of people associated with the club.

He can stay home, that's his decision, there are many nuances to that debate, which are difficult to fully grasp given the situation of normal people in similar conditions, but then that should not derail the completion of the season if the EPL can guarantee that safety will be the utmost priority with regular testing.

It's an awful lot to ask just to finish a football season in my eyes . No one can guarantee anyone's safety presently. When the restrictions are lifted then the virus will spike again especially in the UK which is the worst hit outside of the USA .
We all want to see football again but without fans , With players playing football in a environment we don't know much about then for me it's a simple no

 

[Man of Steel]

Let's just hope the safety protocols are enough to contain spread in such a situation or football will be dead for the foreseeable future. Feel we should want this thing to succeed so we aren't looking at a 2021 or 2022 resumption. There's a bigger picture to look at and in a worst case scenario some of these players will be slammed with a harsh reality the first week they don't receive their paycheck. I can already see it, your local club's captain, coming to a tesco near you

I'd like this virus to die off completely over the next months or mutate into a weaker form that wouldn't be worse than mild flu so we can stop being so stressed out about people we care about catching it, but I just can't bring myself to care about sports people or sport resuming yet. It's harsh maybe, but it's too soon for me. I've not even been bothered searching out any golf coverage or watching any German football.

It's not safe for us to have contact, or kids to go back to school yet, so as I say, watching sports and 'getting back to normal' is not something I care about.

The problem and harshness of unemployment is worldwide for all people too, so again, I don't worry too much about sports, it's the same for everyone.

I'm sure players can avoid part time shelf stacking at Asda's for a while..

 

[Dancfc]

It's an awful lot to ask just to finish a football season in my eyes . No one can guarantee anyone's safety presently. When the restrictions are lifted then the virus will spike again especially in the UK which is the worst hit outside of the USA .
We all want to see football again but without fans , With players playing football in a environment we don't know much about then for me it's a simple no

Apart from the fact not one European country which have lifted restrictions (some being over a month ago) have yet suffered from this supposedly inevitable spike.

 

[King7Eric]

I agree with most of what you're saying but the crux of the matter is:
do the players have to be separated from their loved ones?

It would be a seperation for 5-6 weeks. During this period you are going to do your job, earning a buckload of money while your family stays safe. We are not talking some long estrangement here. And surely in a couple of months nearly everyone is going to be back at their jobs, risking exposure while travel and work without being able to be tested as frequently as the players. So why do they need such special dispensation for simply doing their jobs?

 

[UpWithRivers]

I never separate from my family and dont want to. But common. If the world goes to sht for a pandemic then I would survive 5-6 weeks away and so would they. Especially if I was a multimillionaire and my partner could have a team of nannies, cleaners etc to help out. Im not saying start the season or not - Im just saying this is a rubbish excuse. Sometimes sht happens and we have to make sacrifices. This is not a huge sacrifice. God save us if things really go to sht and people have to step up if they cant even survive a few weeks away from the family.

 

[redman5]

Crippled by fear or genuinely worried about his young child that has breathing difficulties?

His worry for his young child has probably been accentuated by the fear of this virus. That was my point. I have a lot of sympathy for Deeney because he's just another victim in this 24/7 reporting of 'coronavirus'. From the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed we get bombarded with it. You know how much it's affected him from what he said last week about all those people who've died could have fitted into Watford's Vicarage Road ground one & a half times over. It's quite obvious he has - just like an awful lot of other people - anxiety issues because of this. It's hard to see him kicking a football ever again unless he overcomes this, so maybe he needs some professional help to help him make sense of it all. Somebody to tell him that the odds of his baby dying from this virus is over 5 million to 1. Me personally I've still been working right throughout this pandemic. Working in the food manufacturing industry we're classed as key workers. However, just like footballers we have the option not to work if we feel unsafe & not suffer punishment. We've had over 30 cases of people testing positive for the virus in the place I work, all have since returned without any serious effects. I'm fairly convinced I contracted it way back in November whilst on holiday with my family in Florida. I had all the relevant symptoms: dry cough followed by a high temperature - which kept me bedbound for a few days - a week or so later. Loss of taste & smell. It also led to a serious chest infection when I returned home in late November which kept me off work for a couple of weeks. It was only after I recovered did covid-19 start to hit the news, so when they started talking about it I was able to realize that my illness was probably not just your regular flu virus.

You can see from this thread how we all have differing opinions on how to approach this virus. It might seem quite cold & callous to point out that the vast majority of deaths are the old, weak, & vulnerable. But sadly, it's also a fact. We can't change anything because it looks like this virus is going to run it's course no matter what we do with lockdowns, social distancing etc. Sitting around worrying about something that will probably never happen is crazy. But the media, & the government to a certain degree, will also be responsible for the many mental health issues that will arise because of this. Troy Deeney could well be a case in point & a prelude to lots of others who are set to follow.

 

[christinaa]

I‘m not sure about your relationship status, but I wouldn‘t happily be separated from my family for a month for my job. Especially if I had a toddler.

My family is way, way more important to me than footy.

I agree with you.

 

[christinaa]

We learnt a lot from those first matches in Germany, namely that football behind closed doors will reshape the game emotionally, technically, and tactically.
But it has also revealed just how different - how downright weird - football is going to feel for the foreseeable future.

 

[Wibble]

Crippled by fear or genuinely worried about his young child that has breathing difficulties?

The later. Not been drinking the BoJo coolaid.

 

[11101]

His worry for his young child has probably been accentuated by the fear of this virus. That was my point. I have a lot of sympathy for Deeney because he's just another victim in this 24/7 reporting of 'coronavirus'. From the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed we get bombarded with it. You know how much it's affected him from what he said last week about all those people who've died could have fitted into Watford's Vicarage Road ground one & a half times over. It's quite obvious he has - just like an awful lot of other people - anxiety issues because of this. It's hard to see him kicking a football ever again unless he overcomes this, so maybe he needs some professional help to help him make sense of it all. Somebody to tell him that the odds of his baby dying from this virus is over 5 million to 1. Me personally I've still been working right throughout this pandemic. Working in the food manufacturing industry we're classed as key workers. However, just like footballers we have the option not to work if we feel unsafe & not suffer punishment. We've had over 30 cases of people testing positive for the virus in the place I work, all have since returned without any serious effects. I'm fairly convinced I contracted it way back in November whilst on holiday with my family in Florida. I had all the relevant symptoms: dry cough followed by a high temperature - which kept me bedbound for a few days - a week or so later. Loss of taste & smell. It also led to a serious chest infection when I returned home in late November which kept me off work for a couple of weeks. It was only after I recovered did covid-19 start to hit the news, so when they started talking about it I was able to realize that my illness was probably not just your regular flu virus.

You can see from this thread how we all have differing opinions on how to approach this virus. It might seem quite cold & callous to point out that the vast majority of deaths are the old, weak, & vulnerable. But sadly, it's also a fact. We can't change anything because it looks like this virus is going to run it's course no matter what we do with lockdowns, social distancing etc. Sitting around worrying about something that will probably never happen is crazy. But the media, & the government to a certain degree, will also be responsible for the many mental health issues that will arise because of this. Troy Deeney could well be a case in point & a prelude to lots of others who are set to follow.

That's not true at all. In Spain and Italy (very few other countries have reported death statistics to a reliable level yet) the 0-9 age group has a 1 in 500 fatality rate, and if his kid has breathing problems he/she will be well above that. I wouldn't take a 1 in 500 chance with my children and i doubt you would either.

 

[redman5]

That's not true at all. In Spain and Italy (very few other countries have reported death statistics to a reliable level yet) the 0-9 age group has a 1 in 500 fatality rate, and if his kid has breathing problems he/she will be well above that. I wouldn't take a 1 in 500 chance with my children and i doubt you would either.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-coronavirus-risks-to-children

All depends on what you want to believe I suppose. I'd say there are far greater risks to children out there. Those who are on the 'at risk' register for example. How is the lockdown going to affect them ? Living 24/7 with people who may be abusive. Children who's only decent meal could be the one they get at school. How do they get through all this ? We're looking at extreme possibilities here compared to strong probabilities. In my eyes it makes more sense to focus on protecting those who fall under the 'probabilities' sector.

 

[arnie_ni]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-coronavirus-risks-to-children

All depends on what you want to believe I suppose. I'd say there are far greater risks to children out there. Those who are on the 'at risk' register for example. How is the lockdown going to affect them ? Living 24/7 with people who may be abusive. Children who's only decent meal could be the one they get at school. How do they get through all this ? We're looking at extreme possibilities here compared to strong probabilities. In my eyes it makes more sense to focus on protecting those who fall under the 'probabilities' sector.

So a child with breathing difficulties isnt one?

 

[Tel074]

Apart from the fact not one European country which have lifted restrictions (some being over a month ago) have yet suffered from this supposedly inevitable spike.

Germany had an immediate spike sooooo

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Every team will of course vote in their own interest and so they should. That way you should end up with an outcome which benefits the majority, which is probably all you can ask for in the current circumstances.

You can't get an outcome with those demands though, the only two things they would accept is abandoning the season with no relegation, or play out the season with no relegation, the former might be just about acceptable, but clubs need the money so want to play the games, and if the games get played then relegation "has" to be a thing. A red line.

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Only way a CL will happen next season if its a straight knockout over 2 legs - or maybe even one at a neutral venue.

Late october/Nov/Dec/Jan , Europe will most likely be hit by another increase of Covid and the Flu season - no way CL will be going on during that

Few things I thinking right now.

If we cant finish this season, there should be no next season. Double standards and all. It is a bit silly to say its too dangerous to play 9 games but it's ok to play 38.

This is what I think will happen.

This season will be attempted to be finished.
Regardless if it succeeds, we wont have a normal next season, there either wont be one or will be a reduced season, each team playing each other once at neutral venues.
European competition wont be a thing. Makes the arguments over CL a bit silly, but clubs have to act as if it will happen, as however small a chance, there is a chance. If there is no next season however then this season qualification might be used for the season after.
Cup competitions might be the only schedule if there is no league and the chosen way forward for next season. However I don't think there will be cups and a league, it will be one or the other.

 

[Billy Bigalow]

I wonder what the consensus is for a safe return to playing sport in here.

As a resident of Australia who worked through our (limited) covid-19 experience, with a wife who is a nurse and who did the same and with a freshly-returned-to-school school age daughter, I am looking forward to this week's reopening of sport. Sure, we still have a few new infections and a low, but persisting, death count. But life has to begin to mould it's new future and I can't wait to see it: our lockdown has been long and boring.

Reading the posts on here though, I wonder whether many of you would accept a return to sport with anything but a zero covid-19 count.

And if that were to be the case, then I struggle to see how football in England can survive. No new infections at all is going to be a long time away. I can't imagine many EPL or EFL clubs continuing with no prospect of a return to normal business.

And surely, if the entertainment business of sport isn't safe to recommence, then neither can the music industry be. So no festivals or concerts. Or film and tv production. Not until it is 100% safe for all workers. Does that apply to pubs and nightclubs too? And what about incoming tourism and Poms wanted to go overseas. No outbound tourism until Spain and Greece et al are all covid-19 free. Really?

If that's the way England goes, then I'm glad I'm here. Even if that just means watching NRL (from an empty stadium)

 

[hasanejaz88]

Germany had an immediate spike sooooo

Ermm nooooo they didn't. The infection rate has remained stable or even dropped a bit, it certainly hasn't increased.

 

[Pep's Suit]

Only way a CL will happen next season if its a straight knockout over 2 legs - or maybe even one at a neutral venue.

Late october/Nov/Dec/Jan , Europe will most likely be hit by another increase of Covid and the Flu season - no way CL will be going on during that

Yeah, there've been no rumours about how UEFA wants to play CL next season. That would be another £80m less for some clubs after already losing from ticket sales.

 

[Tel074]

Ermm nooooo they didn't. The infection rate has remained stable or even dropped a bit, it certainly hasn't increased.

It was on the news in the UK that Germany has a spike when the restrictions where lifted

 

[hasanejaz88]

It was on the news in the UK that Germany has a spike when the restrictions where lifted

The spike was announced and then the next day they said it dropped back to below 1 R. Looking at the infection statistics the new cases per day is still stable with a slight decrease showing. Active cases continues to drop as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...s-cases-rise-above-1-000-infection-rate-drops

 

[Sad Chris]

Im just saying this is a rubbish excuse. Sometimes sht happens and we have to make sacrifices. This is not a huge sacrifice. God save us if things really go to sht and people have to step up if they cant even survive a few weeks away from the family.

For you personally it doesn‘t seem to be much of a sacrifice to leave your family for a while. For others it is. On the other hand, you don’t sound like you‘re willing to sacrifice watching footy for a few more weeks.

Who and what is the sacrifice for in your eyes? Plenty of people here would be willing to sacrifice watching footy for a little while longer if it reduced the risk of the virus spreading and more people dying.

Sacrificing for a worthy cause is great, but if the beneficiaries of your sacrifice aren‘t in desperate need or their motivation could be questionable, then I would need a lot more convincing.

 

[Dancfc]

Germany had an immediate spike sooooo

No they didn't, it was down to the weekend lag just like "rises" in the UK that happen on a Tuesday. They opened up nearly a month ago yet their weekly average keeps going down, same with every other European country that ended lockdown around the same time.

Unless you're reffering to the R number which briefly went up to 1 and shot back down within a day.

 

[Sad Chris]

Would he be willing to do that if he were going to an international tournament, where many teams in the past have had restrictions on bringing family members in the hotel where the players stay?

If so, then he shouldn't have an issue with being away from his son for a similar time. As important as his family is, he should also realise that clubs financial security is at stake and with it, the jobs of people associated with the club.

I think the international tournament argument is weak. There is a different motivation under other circumstances, he specifically would have something to gain.

I agree partially with supporting the clubs financial security and the jobs of people associated with the club. But it’s all very vague. If the clubs want or need support for themselves and their staff, it’s up to them to put out details. A detailed plan of how to move forward and how to stay alive and save jobs. It shouldn’t be dependent on a handful of players that refuse to play for personal reasons. Or if it is, then it’s a matter of club and player discussing details and finding a solution.

 

[Tel074]

No they didn't, it was down to the weekend lag just like "rises" in the UK that happen on a Tuesday. They opened up nearly a month ago yet their weekly average keeps going down, same with every other European country that ended lockdown around the same time.

Unless you're reffering to the R number which briefly went up to 1 and shot back down within a day.

Yeah sorry I don't pay a huge amount of attention to the news these days . I had read Germany had a spike and that's what I was saying . I stand corrected

 

[11101]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-coronavirus-risks-to-children

All depends on what you want to believe I suppose. I'd say there are far greater risks to children out there. Those who are on the 'at risk' register for example. How is the lockdown going to affect them ? Living 24/7 with people who may be abusive. Children who's only decent meal could be the one they get at school. How do they get through all this ? We're looking at extreme possibilities here compared to strong probabilities. In my eyes it makes more sense to focus on protecting those who fall under the 'probabilities' sector.

That's a fecking terrible article with some serious twisting going on. Georgina Lee should be ashamed:

Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter at the University of Cambridge estimates that the risk to children of catching and then dying from coronavirus is one in 5.3 million.

(That’s based on two deaths out of a population of 10.7 million under-15s in England and Wales.)

Well of course they're not going to die from it if they haven't caught it. Might as well say its a 1 in a billion chance as kids who haven't been born yet haven't died from it either.


Out of people who actually catch the virus, 1 in 500 under 10s will die. The risk increases significantly with illnesses such as breathing difficulties.

 

[Ludens the Red]

That's a fecking terrible article with some serious twisting going on. Georgina Lee should be ashamed:



Well of course they're not going to die from it if they haven't caught it. Might as well say its a 1 in a billion chance as kids who haven't been born yet haven't died from it either.


Out of people who actually catch the virus, 1 in 500 under 10s will die. The risk increases significantly with illnesses such as breathing difficulties.

You should seriously think before you post stuff like this.

 

[P-Nut]

That's a fecking terrible article with some serious twisting going on. Georgina Lee should be ashamed:



Well of course they're not going to die from it if they haven't caught it. Might as well say its a 1 in a billion chance as kids who haven't been born yet haven't died from it either.


Out of people who actually catch the virus, 1 in 500 under 10s will die. The risk increases significantly with illnesses such as breathing difficulties.

Surely to work out the risk of someone dying to this virus you have to work in the probability of them catching it though.

 

[Dumbstar]

So if 50000 children* have been infected in the UK, a conservative number surely as most would be asymptomatic thus probably not tested, then 100 will die!!

* Call it under 18 year olds

 

[MackRobinson]

Yeah sorry I don't pay a huge amount of attention to the news these days . I had read Germany had a spike and that's what I was saying . I stand corrected

No offense to you, but I believe we all have an obligation NOT to post COVID information if we are not sure. I'm just personally tired of people making false COVID claims just to push their opinions.

 

[11101]

You should seriously think before you post stuff like this.

The national health services of both Spain and Italy have published these figures.

If you can read Italian - 0.2% of 0-9 age group
Or Spanish - 0.6% of under 2s

Deeney has a 6 month old with breathing difficulties. He's not overreacting in any way.

 

[FootballHQ]

The thing is that Integrity has been blown out of the window and the sporting goal posts have been altered with bcd and all the shenanigans just to finish the PL.

So it doesn't mean anything any longer - it ain't football/the PL as we know it and when United won 13 (thirteen) of them.

Will you be saying the same if Europa and FA cup are concluded and Man. United win both competitions?

 

[Ludens the Red]

The national health services of both Spain and Italy have published these figures.

If you can read Italian - 0.2% of 0-9 age group
Or Spanish - 0.6% of under 2s

Deeney has a 6 month old with breathing difficulties. He's not overreacting in any way.

I’m not talking about Deeney.
I’m talking about you throwing out a reckless statement as if it’s a fact.
@MackRobinson just made a post a few up and I think he’s right. People need to seriously stop posting either made up/manipulated/inconclusive and obviously factually incorrect figures and statements.
There are people on here who are struggling and are very wary at the moment. You should keep that in mind in my opinion.

The way you flat out throw out 1 in 500 under 10’s die is completely incorrect.
I don’t even get how this late in this pandemic it stilll needs to be explained.
Children under a certain age weren’t even being tested for a long time. There’s so many children who had mild and minor symptoms who also didn’t get tested.

It is patently obvious That 1 in 500 under 10’s do not die if they contract it. That is a lie. It’s fake news.

 

[Brightonian]

His worry for his young child has probably been accentuated by the fear of this virus. That was my point. I have a lot of sympathy for Deeney because he's just another victim in this 24/7 reporting of 'coronavirus'. From the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed we get bombarded with it. You know how much it's affected him from what he said last week about all those people who've died could have fitted into Watford's Vicarage Road ground one & a half times over. It's quite obvious he has - just like an awful lot of other people - anxiety issues because of this. It's hard to see him kicking a football ever again unless he overcomes this, so maybe he needs some professional help to help him make sense of it all. Somebody to tell him that the odds of his baby dying from this virus is over 5 million to 1. Me personally I've still been working right throughout this pandemic. Working in the food manufacturing industry we're classed as key workers. However, just like footballers we have the option not to work if we feel unsafe & not suffer punishment. We've had over 30 cases of people testing positive for the virus in the place I work, all have since returned without any serious effects. I'm fairly convinced I contracted it way back in November whilst on holiday with my family in Florida. I had all the relevant symptoms: dry cough followed by a high temperature - which kept me bedbound for a few days - a week or so later. Loss of taste & smell. It also led to a serious chest infection when I returned home in late November which kept me off work for a couple of weeks. It was only after I recovered did covid-19 start to hit the news, so when they started talking about it I was able to realize that my illness was probably not just your regular flu virus.

You can see from this thread how we all have differing opinions on how to approach this virus. It might seem quite cold & callous to point out that the vast majority of deaths are the old, weak, & vulnerable. But sadly, it's also a fact. We can't change anything because it looks like this virus is going to run it's course no matter what we do with lockdowns, social distancing etc. Sitting around worrying about something that will probably never happen is crazy. But the media, & the government to a certain degree, will also be responsible for the many mental health issues that will arise because of this. Troy Deeney could well be a case in point & a prelude to lots of others who are set to follow.

This whole post is deeply creepy.

Troy Deeney declining to go back to work and expressing concern about the risk to his infant son who had breathing difficulties is an absolutely valid response to the situation. It is sinister as feck to try and tell him that he is suffering from irrational anxiety, may never kick a football again, and needs professional help. You sound like a Victorian doctor diagnosing hysteria in any woman who speaks back to her husband.

For what it's worth, I'm fully in favour of football starting up again. Partly because I'm losing my mind without it, I'll own that, but also because I believe it is possible to reduce the resulting increase to risk of infection down to almost nothing, and certainly more so than many of the other non-essential industries who have returned work or preparing to do so shortly. And I don't give a toss about the whole Liverpool winning thing because in my eyes they've already done it, the rest is a formality.

But it should absolutely be the right of any footballer or other staff member involved to decline to return to work if they feel it is unsafe to do so, particularly if they are concerned for a vulnerable family member who they might be putting at risk by doing so. It is pretty repulsive to suggest that this somehow constitutes being mentally ill, especially with the faux-concerned tone. You're not a friendly neighbourhood psychotherapist, you're a Liverpool fan who wants to win the league.

 

[11101]

I’m not talking about Deeney.
I’m talking about you throwing out a reckless statement as if it’s a fact.
@MackRobinson just made a post a few up and I think he’s right. People need to seriously stop posting either made up/manipulated/inconclusive and obviously factually incorrect figures and statements.
There are people on here who are struggling and are very wary at the moment. You should keep that in mind in my opinion.

The way you flat out throw out 1 in 500 under 10’s die is completely incorrect.
I don’t even get how this late in this pandemic it stilll needs to be explained.
Children under a certain age weren’t even being tested for a long time. There’s so many children who had mild and minor symptoms who also didn’t get tested.

It is patently obvious That 1 in 500 under 10’s do not die if they contract it. That is a lie. It’s fake news.

OK, the medical services of the two hardest hit EU countries are posting fake news to their official websites. You obviously know better.

Nobody yet knows how many people have really had the virus so governments and medical services are using confirmed tests, and testing availability has not been an issue in Italy for a long time now. Even if it was, serological samples in the absolute worst parts of Italy show a 5% infection rate. The rest of the country is a lot less. I know people like to speculate that vast swathes of the population have had the virus without knowing, but there is no actual evidence that points to this, at all.

 

[Ludens the Red]

OK, the medical services of the two hardest hit EU countries are posting fake news to their official websites. You obviously know better.

Nobody yet knows how many people have really had the virus so governments and medical services are using confirmed tests, and testing availability has not been an issue in Italy for a long time now. Even if it was, serological samples in the absolute worst parts of Italy show a 5% infection rate. The rest of the country is a lot less. I know people like to speculate that vast swathes of the population have had the virus without knowing, but there is no actual evidence that points to this, at all.

Like I said, “People need to seriously stop posting either made up/manipulated/inconclusive and obviously factually incorrect figures and statements.”
What you did would fall under inconclusive and manipulated.
I don’t read Spanish or Italian but I’d hazard a guess those figures are gonna be based on those children who were actually tested, and those with severe symptoms.
Therefore missing out a gigantic amount of children who would have had it.

If you apply some common sense and knowing what we know about how it effects children a lot less, you would be sensible and go “that percentage obviously can’t be conclusive”. Their job is to do analysis based on what they have. I bet at no point in that article do they state “the virus will kill 1 in 500 children it infects”. But you chose to go with that comment.
I mean you say yourself “nobody knows yet how many really had it” yet you were happy to suggest 1 in 500 under 10’s will catch and die from it. That is poor form. That is posting fake news.

 

[11101]

Like I said, “People need to seriously stop posting either made up/manipulated/inconclusive and obviously factually incorrect figures and statements.”
What you did would fall under inconclusive and manipulated.
I don’t read Spanish or Italian but I’d hazard a guess those figures are gonna be based on those children who were actually tested, and those with severe symptoms.
Therefore missing out a gigantic amount of children who would have had it.

If you apply some common sense and knowing what we know about how it effects children a lot less, you would be sensible and go “that percentage obviously can’t be conclusive”. Their job is to do analysis based on what they have. I bet at no point in that article do they state “the virus will kill 1 in 500 children it infects”. But you chose to go with that comment.
I mean you say yourself “nobody knows yet how many really had it” yet you were happy to suggest 1 in 500 under 10’s will catch and die from it. That is poor form. That is posting fake news.

So in other words you don't know and you're guessing.

What i actually said at the beginning was that there is a 1 in 500 fatality rate in under 10s. That is literally the exact terminology the health service uses in that document.


It's a hell of a lot less dangerous than saying 'i reckon half the population must have had it by now and most people are fine' or only 1 in 5 million kids will die from it as though it's nothing to worry about.

 

[Ludens the Red]

So in other words you don't know and you're guessing.

What i actually said at the beginning was that there is a 1 in 500 fatality rate in under 10s. That is literally the exact terminology the health service uses in that document.


It's a hell of a lot less dangerous than saying 'i reckon half the population must have had it by now and most people are fine' or only 1 in 5 million kids will die from it as though it's nothing to worry about.

Ok, you’re right I’m wrong.
The virus kills 1 in every 500 under 10’s it infects. Thank you for educating me.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

This whole post is deeply creepy.

Troy Deeney declining to go back to work and expressing concern about the risk to his infant son who had breathing difficulties is an absolutely valid response to the situation. It is sinister as feck to try and tell him that he is suffering from irrational anxiety, may never kick a football again, and needs professional help. You sound like a Victorian doctor diagnosing hysteria in any woman who speaks back to her husband.

For what it's worth, I'm fully in favour of football starting up again. Partly because I'm losing my mind without it, I'll own that, but also because I believe it is possible to reduce the resulting increase to risk of infection down to almost nothing, and certainly more so than many of the other non-essential industries who have returned work or preparing to do so shortly. And I don't give a toss about the whole Liverpool winning thing because in my eyes they've already done it, the rest is a formality.

But it should absolutely be the right of any footballer or other staff member involved to decline to return to work if they feel it is unsafe to do so, particularly if they are concerned for a vulnerable family member who they might be putting at risk by doing so. It is pretty repulsive to suggest that this somehow constitutes being mentally ill, especially with the faux-concerned tone. You're not a friendly neighbourhood psychotherapist, you're a Liverpool fan who wants to win the league.

Excellent post.

 

[stevoc]

Like I said, “People need to seriously stop posting either made up/manipulated/inconclusive and obviously factually incorrect figures and statements.”
What you did would fall under inconclusive and manipulated.
I don’t read Spanish or Italian but I’d hazard a guess those figures are gonna be based on those children who were actually tested, and those with severe symptoms.
Therefore missing out a gigantic amount of children who would have had it.

If you apply some common sense and knowing what we know about how it effects children a lot less, you would be sensible and go “that percentage obviously can’t be conclusive”. Their job is to do analysis based on what they have. I bet at no point in that article do they state “the virus will kill 1 in 500 children it infects”. But you chose to go with that comment.
I mean you say yourself “nobody knows yet how many really had it” yet you were happy to suggest 1 in 500 under 10’s will catch and die from it. That is poor form. That is posting fake news.

Im interested can you confirm that you know for a fact that the rate in under 10’s isn’t 1 in 500?

I ask because I have a child under 10 with asthma.

 

[Tel074]

No offense to you, but I believe we all have an obligation NOT to post COVID information if we are not sure. I'm just personally tired of people making false COVID claims just to push their opinions.

No offense to you I was sure it was correct and in a way they did have a spike as the German poster then explained . So if you have never been wrong about anything in your life I apologise if you have made a mistake which you then held your hand up to just please just give it a rest ffs