Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[sullydnl]

I agree with you, and think that it be stopped. But it's not, why? Because all the clubs, including us, are in favour of a return. The players for the most part are keeping their head down and doing as they're told.

When we talk about the PL/FA giving zero fecks about threat to players families - the same could be said for us

Yep.

If I was a footballer I would be very aware of the fact that a large section of the populace don't really care that much about my wellbeing. In fact a small but significant portion of the populace, media and politicians actively have a degree of contempt for footballers. Which means that if they or their family become sick then they can expect a bit of useless sympathy, some people scoffing that they're paid well enough to take the risk and a collective shrug of the shoulders.

Footballers will need to stand up for themselves if they're unhappy with what's happening as nobody else will do it for them.

 

[Tel074]

Your standard response when someone calls you out on a bad post, sigh.

Tbh you have chosen little bits of her post to make yourself look better . The poster made some very good points but you choose to ignore that and instead decided to be a dick and try and pick a fight

 

[RobinLFC]

Tbh you have chosen little bits of her post to make yourself look better . The poster made some very good points but you choose to ignore that and instead decided to be a dick and try and pick a fight

There's no point in having a discussion with him. Anytime you bring forward a valid argument his standard response is "Please remember that you are a GUEST on OUR forum so I don't need to EXPLAIN myself to YOU, I hope YOU get BANNED once Liverpool wins the league".

 

[Tel074]

How true is that post

 

[TheReligion]

This is why the Juve fans told them to feck off when they did the Heysel Tribute at Anfield. They have always been a hypocritical bunch.

 

[Tel074]

This is why the Juve fans told them to feck off when they did the Heysel Tribute at Anfield. They have always been a hypocritical bunch.

Jesus mate don't mention Heysel we are all meant to forget about that and pretend it didn't happen . Always the victims . Horrible fecking bunch they are

 

[RobinLFC]

Why don't you just stop talking around things and admit that you couldn't care less about player's safety or how many people die, you simply want Liverpool to win the league whatever the cost? It's not that difficult.

For the record, I understand Deeney's view. I also wouldn't want to be playing sports as a professional athlete if I didn't know the long-term consequences this virus has on my body.

Oh well.

 

[RedRover]

Footballers arent immune to making this choice. They cant sit out until theres a vaccine so they can either go to work or step aside.
Im not having a go at them or being harsh, its a choice all workers with vunerable relatives must make.

Totally agree with this. If my employer decides I have to come back to work because they deem it safe then I either go in, or face the consequences. Clearly pressure will be applied to me to go in and do my job, or lose it. Footballers are not unique and in fact, if the club says "fine, we won't pay you until you do" the average PL player will be in a better position than most who have to work to keep paying the bills.

Parish from Palace has been vocal on this. Football is unsustainable without a product to sell. Broadcasters will want money back if the season doesn't finish and won't pay anything next season if it doesn't go ahead. Most clubs in the Country would be insolvent in 6 months, if not before.

 

[Sandikan]

The ban steamroller needs to absolutely obliterate a lot of people from the last two pages.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The ban steamroller needs to absolutely obliterate a lot of people from the last two pages.

True. Except couple of posters, rest seems to be here to have some fun by trolling.

 

[SilentWitness]

Aurier seems like an absolute prick. He just doesn't care at all about the rules and I hope Spurs fine him heavily.

 

[90 + 5min]

If it is true. Football family?

BBC

Give me a break.

 

[Sandikan]

Aurier seems like an absolute prick. He just doesn't care at all about the rules and I hope Spurs fine him heavily.

If the reports are true, then he's either got a very low intellect, genuinely doesn't realise what's going on as he lives in such a privileged bubble, or is incredibly arrogant.

Very possibly one of the many who believe that their own little rule breaks are harmless.

 

[Greck]

Aurier seems like an absolute prick. He just doesn't care at all about the rules and I hope Spurs fine him heavily.

He's just celebrating his negative test results by treating himself to a haircut. After all what better way to do that than by exposing yourself to infection. No doubt he planned on carrying said infection to training today to share with his teammates. Bubbly guy

 

[Klopper76]

Aurier seems like an absolute prick. He just doesn't care at all about the rules and I hope Spurs fine him heavily.

Walker's another one. He's not paid attention to lockdown at all.

 

[Greck]

Walker's another one. He's not paid attention to lockdown at all.

thanks to some of these knobs we might not even have a next season. Matter of time before someone brings an infected barber to the hotel or sees an escort before gameday and takes it to the pitch

 

[SalfordRed18]

thanks to some of these knobs we might not even have a next season. Matter of time before someone brings an infected barber or sees an escort before gameday and takes it to the pitch

Tbh if they did that, next season would be one of my last thoughts.

Football next season isn't a right.

 

[Greck]

Tbh if they did that, next season would be one of my last thoughts.

Football next season isn't a right.

Because it's only entertainment to you. The number of clubs that will go bankrupt and the jobs that will be lost are a bigger issue than the entertainment. And in a way Football is also one of our country's bigger exports. We lose big without international tv deals and sponsorships

 

[SalfordRed18]

Because it's only entertainment to you. The number of clubs that will go bankrupt and the jobs that will be lost are a bigger issue than the entertainment. And in a way Football is also one of our country's bigger exports. We lose big without international tv deals and sponsorships

Unless you have money at stake then it's also only entertainment for you.

I don't think players will care if international TV deals are at risk, nor should they. They might just want to play their football which is their right. But I doubt international TV deals and clubs they have no affiliation to going bust will be at the forefront on their mind, if other players have been irresponsible and put them at risk.

 

[brian017]

Some guy on Twitter said he should just suck it up and go to work like the supermarket workers have. I replied saying it’s an essential service unlike football. Footballs just entertainment. And Deeney is fortunate enough to be the position to be able to not turn up to work and fair play to him for making the best decision for his son.

To which a Liverpool fan comes along and replies that I was a typical United fan, Liverpool are getting the title and I should get over it, even though I made no mention of liverpool or the title in my post. They’re a tetchy bunch and the last few months would have been hilarious if it weren’t for the 300+k dead worldwide

 

[Greck]

Unless you have money at stake then it's also only entertainment for you.

I don't think players will care if international TV deals are at risk, nor should they. They might just want to play their football which is their right. But I doubt international TV deals and clubs they have no affiliation to going bust will be at the forefront on their mind, if other players have been irresponsible and put them at risk.

Missed the point completely. Giving it another try. No football at all next season= bankruptcy, rise in unemployment, fall in tax revenue etc = we all lose.

 

[arnie_ni]

If it is true. Football family?

BBC

Give me a break.

Its already been discussed here somewhere but liverpool wanted it cancelled because they were down the bottom

 

[africanspur]

Aurier seems like an absolute prick. He just doesn't care at all about the rules and I hope Spurs fine him heavily.

He is a monumentally stupid individual, both on and off the pitch and, if I do still care about football in the same way once this is all done, I can't wait to see the back of him.

 

[arnie_ni]

Tbh if they did that, next season would be one of my last thoughts.

Football next season isn't a right.

We better have it next year if they finish one.

They cant push this one through and then just say feck it to the next one

 

[SalfordRed18]

Missed the point completely. Giving it another try. No football at all next season= bankruptcy, rise in unemployment, fall in tax revenue etc = we all lose.

Whilst I don't deny clubs will struggle and some will go under, you're talking in extremes and absolute extremes at that.

Best we just leave it at that.

 

[Greck]

Whilst I don't deny clubs will struggle and some will go under, you're talking in extremes and absolute extremes at that.

Best we just leave it at that.

Generally any major industry getting maimed for a year will leave a mark on any country. Not even specific to football.

Sure we can leave it at that. Don't have to agree

 

[King7Eric]

The problem is not the player.. it is the families. Most of these players will get mild symtoms as they are fit and healthy. But are their families being tested twice a week?

Again mate, this applies to everybody doesn't it? We all have families who are at risk and I am not saying footballers don't have a right to be worried about their families. My point is all these players have enough resources to make separate arrangements for at risk family members.

 

[christinaa]

Again mate, this applies to everybody doesn't it? We all have families who are at risk and I am not saying footballers don't have a right to be worried about their families. My point is all these players have enough resources to make separate arrangements for at risk family members.

I agree with most of what you're saying but the crux of the matter is:
do the players have to be separated from their loved ones?

 

[sammsky1]

 

[dwd]

Carragher's aged about 20 years during lockdown

 

[Megadrive Man]

Why don't you just stop talking around things and admit that you couldn't care less about player's safety or how many people die, you simply want Liverpool to win the league whatever the cost? It's not that difficult.

I don't think any fans want to win the title whatever the cost?

If it were my decision, I would happily wait until as long as it took before football could be resumed to play out the remaining fixtures. This isn't an option though and it seems that there is a deadline in place to finish the season by the end of July. Again, my preference would be if its not safe enough, they just finish the season, either on a points per game system or based on the current table, or whatever is deemed the most fairest way to do it. Obviously if they can make it as safe as possible then playing out the fixtures would be the fairest way to do it.

As I've mentioned before Liverpool winning the league is a formality. Its the only position in the table that is 100% not going to change. The relegation issue and the 2-4 places are the main places that need to be resolved.

 

[arnie_ni]

@Dancfc

Ngolo kante not training due to covid19 fears

 

[hasanejaz88]

I agree with most of what you're saying but the crux of the matter is:
do the players have to be separated from their loved ones?

Aren't they separated for events such as World Cups or Euros? That's a point Neville made, which I agree with completely, that they could've held the final matches over 4-6 weeks like a tournament where everyone has to stay together. That's usually what happens in major tournaments.

Players in Germany have been doing the same, a player from Monchengladbach has a partner who is pregnant and she is now in Belgium with her family till he finishes his matches. That's something Deeney can easily do for some time in order to finish the season.

 

[sammsky1]

They’re a tetchy bunch and the last few months would have been hilarious if it weren’t for the 300+k dead worldwide

It’s all included in the * trophy that Liverpool FC will be awarded in a few weeks time.

 

[alexthelion]

In all fairness though he's just another individual who's been crippled by fear. Constant depressing news about the number of deaths increasing day after day after day. There's plenty of others just like him. It's gotten to the stage now I reckon where the biggest danger lies more in long-term mental health issues for thousands & thousands of people who've all who've been mentally scarred by the events of the past few months. Footballers are not like your everyday Joe Bloggs who work in a factory or building site. They live an isolated life anyway & so this stuff probably feeds on their insecurities more than it would for the rest of us.

Crippled by fear or genuinely worried about his young child that has breathing difficulties?

 

[alexthelion]

Spot on analysis - Liverpool as a city and it’s fan base are well known for their love of all things Tory. Bill Shankly was a massive Tory and now Klopp carries on that tradition - he always votes for right wing parties. Prefers a tax cut to good public services.

All 5 mps in Liverpool are Tory. The city’s shift rightwards gathered momentum in the 80s when Liverpool embraced Thatcherism. Geoffrey Howe even wrote a letter to Thatcher saying how Liverpool was a bastion of Toryism and they must pour more money into it.

And as for right wing newspapers well the city even has a campaign encouraging people to buy a particular one.

Let me know when you’re mixing up politics and football again. Big fan of your take on the city and it’s political leanings.

You mean it's not true? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.

 

[alexthelion]

Footballers get tested every two or three days. I'm sure other workers (essential or not) would enjoy that kind of treatment. I would never claim the risk is zero but it is certainly very minimal. After the first rounds of testing here in Germany, the 20 or so infected players were isolated and there haven't been any cases since (though I totally expect there to be more). We have opened everything up again which means many people are back at work. Waiters and bartenders wear masks but there is certainly a non-zero risk for them as well. It just was no longer justifiable to keep their businesses shut and them from doing their job. I visited a construction site for a new training centre today with more than 100 workers and nobody was wearing a mask or social distancing. Their risk is certainly also much higher than for Bundesliga players. But the infection rate is so low now that there isn't even a debate around that. I saw youth teams training again this week. They sure as hell do not get tested. The list goes on. I just think we are at that point now where not allowing football to continue would equate to giving it special status.

As I said, the UK is roughly four weeks behind (partly due to the handling of the crisis by its government, I don't disagree with that) but you will be in the same situation soon enough. We are managing and living with the virus now and life is returning to normal which includes football.

Are these tests guaranteed to be 100% accurate?

If not, they're a waste of time.

 

[Sad Chris]

Players in Germany have been doing the same, a player from Monchengladbach has a partner who is pregnant and she is now in Belgium with her family till he finishes his matches. That's something Deeney can easily do for some time in order to finish the season.

I‘m not sure about your relationship status, but I wouldn‘t happily be separated from my family for a month for my job. Especially if I had a toddler.

My family is way, way more important to me than footy.

 

[I Am Zlatan]

thinking about it from this angle as well, I wonder if players who are somewhat always under pressure from the fans/media like Lingard, or Pogba, etc are worried about going back to training or playing but also doing it to avoid the backlash from the media and the fans.. imagine the media if Pogba said he doesn’t feel comfortable going back..

 

[hasanejaz88]

I‘m not sure about your relationship status, but I wouldn‘t happily be separated from my family for a month for my job. Especially if I had a toddler.

My family is way, way more important to me than footy.

Would he be willing to do that if he were going to an international tournament, where many teams in the past have had restrictions on bringing family members in the hotel where the players stay?

If so, then he shouldn't have an issue with being away from his son for a similar time. As important as his family is, he should also realise that clubs financial security is at stake and with it, the jobs of people associated with the club.

He can stay home, that's his decision, there are many nuances to that debate, which are difficult to fully grasp given the situation of normal people in similar conditions, but then that should not derail the completion of the season if the EPL can guarantee that safety will be the utmost priority with regular testing.