Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

King7Eric said:
Agreed. The likes of Abraham etc complaining they have family members in high risk categories. Well, don't we all? If I was to tell my boss that I can't come to work because I have an at-risk family member, I would be laid off. If the rest of the world can get back to work despite being in more difficult situations, why do these footballers think they are so special? It's their job to go out and play. And unlike so many of us, people like Abraham can actually set up separate accommodation facilities for his family if he feels they are at risk by being in contact with him.

The Bundesliga has already started, players in Spain and Italy are about to be back in training or are already doing so. But here, we have people like Deeney, Sterling, Aguero moaning about one thing or another, despite being more fortunate than 99% of the world's population in this crisis.
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I get there will be people with individual circumstances so there should maybe be some leeway in those instances, but I don''t get how that's any different to any other sector, apart from that a PL footballer has almost endless spare income to use to help protect family members.

It's not like they're going to cancel opening schools or shops because a small number of employees/teachers/students have individual situations which means they have to come back a bit later, so why would football be any different? Especially as a footballer can easily do fitness training on their own...and they won't be playing in actual games again until literally after places like clothing stores have re-opened.

Imagine being so self centred and out of touch that you're whining that it's not safe to play in a football game for 90 minutes, while someone else can go work a 10 hour shift in Primark, and while some of your team mates are happy to attend sex parties and then moan about being criticised when they get caught.

If Sterling and Aguero want to come out and publicly criticise Kyle Walker, then maybe there'd be some basis to actually take anything they say seriously.

It's funny how it's literally the exact same footballers you'd pick as being absolute thickos who are the ones proving that they are.
 
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bdecuc said:
I haven't been following all the details on this really closely but is the plan to finish the league but just the league i.e. not the actual football season? No FA cup? Surely that can't be?

I mean that would seem to me to be pretty bizarre. If that comes to pass at least everyone could drop all the pretence about focusing on safety at that point. If it's only the competition with all the tv money riding on it that can be played to a finish then that would make a complete mockery of the whole season.

And I get why Liverpool fans would be disappointed. Of course they would and they'd have a right to be - it's an extraordinary situation. No doubt about it. Extraordinarily unlucky on them. But it's reality unfortunately.

Either they manage to somehow finish the season behind closed doors with the regular rules of the game and every team has a fair chance to play the remaining domestic season (and hopefully the European competitions at some stage) or if that can't done - then it's done. You can't just pick and choose the financially juicy parts and then claim to maintain any sort of sporting integrity.
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I've not heard or seen anything either way about the cups, but I think it's more a time issue than anything to do with a lack of concern about safety. The safety argument is a complete and utter nonsense when you're talking about a football game between a small group of people taking place AFTER schools and non essential shops have been allowed to open. The only reason anyone is bithcing about safety is due to alterior motives, which, ironically, are to do with money (it's a very good excuse to hide behind when you don't want to be relegated due to the fact you've been shite all season). That and self absorbed rich footballers who want to pretend they are some kind of special victim in all this.

There's also the fact that the Premier League rather than the FA seem to be the main driving force and they have no say over the FA Cup. I suspect the FA will want the league schedule sorted first before they worry about fitting the cup in, as the only sporting merit that relies on the cup, is who wins the cup. European places, relegation, etc. can all be fairly based on league positions. There's also only 7 cup games left to schedule, compared to what is it, 92 league games?
 
So all these relegated and affected clubs threatening legal action, shouldn't the cases be decided before the start of the next season??

I mean what's the point of a court saying, yeah it's not right that hearts got relegated sometime next January!
 
RobinLFC said:
Spoiler alert: football is not only here for your entertainment, it's a business which needs to keep on rolling in order to generate money, just like any other sector. You're going on about a barren spell without proper football while the Bundesliga resumed last weekend, come on now. Football "as we knew it" will be gone for a while because it's not worth it to risk your health while going to a football game, no. But football as the game itself will be back soon enough, out of necessity for the clubs. It's a job just like any other in that respect, with a far lesser chance to get infected on top of that.

Doesn't matter that we're "happy" how things are resuming, that it's in empty stadiums, ... because that's what will happen. You can either hate it and not watch football for at least the remainder of 2020 and possibly beyond that, or you can just accept it for what it is - a lesser version of what it used to be, but that doesn't mean it can't be fun to watch anymore once you've accepted that this is the way things are going to be for a while. I'd rather look at the glass half full. And this has nothing to do with Liverpool at all, any title we will get this season will feel hollow, there'll barely be any celebration and the next day it'll be business as usual again.

If I have the option between no football at all for the foreseeable future, or football like the Bundesliga last weekend, I'm still gonna chose the latter option, but I get that not everyone feels the same way about it. I don't love it either, for obvious reasons, but it's still better than nothing.
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Damn you and your rational train of thought. I am just depressed about the whole thing. I am having a depressed day
 
McGrathsipan said:
So this is what clubs are doing to get football training back
  • Disinfecting all training equipment including balls at their training grounds.
  • Delivering training kit to players so they can arrive ready to train.
  • Marking out designated parking spaces for players with gaps of three spaces between each car.
  • Allocating players to different groups of four or five in which they will train on designated pitches.
  • Drawing up lists of staggered arrival times for different players.
  • Drawing up lists of club employees who will be allowed at the training ground.

Its desperate stuff. It really is. Its a fecking contact sport. This is not how football is meant to be.
Just leave it until its safe to go back properly. fecking virus.
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See you back in April next year then.
 
Halds said:
If we can play the season out, fine.. The best outcome of a bunch of bad choices. If that turns out not to be possible, then like i said, i hope we can at least play until we've won it. I totally understand that being a Man United fan, you don't have the same interest in us winning the league, but tell me.. How is more games worse for anyone than stopping now?
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Go away all of you and your won* it stupidity - it's not the normal league now, and so it's been gifted* to you.
''Poor chaps we've got to give* it to them 'cause they've been 30 years crying.'' :lol:
 
McGrathsipan said:
I wouldnt say it was perfect. I hated it, but thats just my opnion.
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Whether you (or anyone) personally liked it is irrelevant and has also nothing to do with the point you yourself brought up and criticised; the hygienic concept to make football possible again. Which evidently worked and the smart move for other big leagues would be to copy it which is apparently happening right now.

Imagine making the same argument against the reopening of restaurants and bars. "I'd love to eat out again but I don't like the waiters wearning masks and disinfecting the menus or not having salt shakers on the table. It's not the real thing." They are as non-essential as football so why not let their businesses die? If you don't like football without fans (which is of course very understandable), everyone is free to just not watch it.
 
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McGrathsipan said:
Its not going to be safe for a long time. Football as we know it is gone for a while.
Right liverpools fans want to see the title and thats fair enough but after that what then? Are we all happy to lap up the farce that is empty stadiums and fecking teams of dettol agents chasing you around and spraying you to within an inch of your life. Are we happy to see people dressed for chemical warfare everywhere. I'm not. Think of what football is on the social scale to you. Do you really think it will be as much fun as it should be with everyone in scrubs?

Liverpool are the champions of a written off season one way or the other. Well done. When the logisitics of how that comes about is put to bed then we have us all on the same page. Looking forward at a barren spell without proper football. Its depressing.
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If the season's completed how will it be classed as a 'written off season' ? Except for the fact there's going to be no fans in attendance for the foreseeable future, the same rules apply insofar that there's relegation issues still to be resolved & European places still to be had. We're simply at the point we were when football was suspended. OK you've got a small group of players who object to playing. Simple answer there is, don't play. Then you've got people on here objecting to football restarting. Simple answer there is, don't watch. It'll be no different to any other season at this stage because you'll have those with a lot to play for, & those with nothing to play for. So you're going to get a few unpredictable results along the way. But that's how it's always been, & that's how it'll be next season & beyond, virus or no virus.
 
TheReligion said:
BBC News - Troy Deeney: Watford captain says he will not return to training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

Deeney has told Watford he's not going to train and play. Expect more PL players to follow suit and the PFA to get involved.
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His view is understandable but he's speaking from a very privileged position which not many people can afford in these circumstances. Let's see how long Watford are comfortable with his stance if they're in the relegation zone once football resumes.
 
RobinLFC said:
His view is understandable but he's speaking from a very privileged position which not many people can afford in these circumstances. Let's see how long Watford are comfortable with his stance if they're in the relegation zone once football resumes.
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The situation is going to create many issues like this. He won't be the only one. If players decide to stick together could be a strike situation. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
 
McGrathsipan said:
So this is what clubs are doing to get football training back
  • Disinfecting all training equipment including balls at their training grounds.
  • Delivering training kit to players so they can arrive ready to train.
  • Marking out designated parking spaces for players with gaps of three spaces between each car.
  • Allocating players to different groups of four or five in which they will train on designated pitches.
  • Drawing up lists of staggered arrival times for different players.
  • Drawing up lists of club employees who will be allowed at the training ground.

Its desperate stuff. It really is. Its a fecking contact sport. This is not how football is meant to be.
Just leave it until its safe to go back properly. fecking virus.
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They are only following what has been happening in Germany for last month and Spain last two weeks.

The idea that the premier league is an outlier here in all they're doing is an odd one for me.
 
man5, post: 25559948, member: 24700"]
If the season's completed how will it be classed as a 'written off season' ? Except for the fact there's going to be no fans in attendance for the foreseeable future, the same rules apply insofar that there's relegation issues still to be resolved & European places still to be had. We're simply at the point we were when football was suspended. OK you've got a small group of players who object to playing. Simple answer there is, don't play. Then you've got people on here objecting to football restarting. Simple answer there is, don't watch. It'll be no different to any other season at this stage because you'll have those with a lot to play for, & those with nothing to play for. So you're going to get a few unpredictable results along the way. But that's how it's always been, & that's how it'll be next season & beyond, virus or no virus.
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ITs a written off season based on the enjoyment we should be taking from it one way or the other. As a spectacle its written off.
yeah it may see all games completed BCD and all that but you can write off any planned normal celebrations and normal presentations. The players can write off a trophy parade and an end of season celebration.
So yeah as far as I am concerned the season is written off metaphorically.
 
Zexstream said:
Foolish and dangerous statement.
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No its a fact. A normal person going about their day to day job is surrounded by untested people, whereas footballers will be in contact with people that have been tested and proved negative.

I get that people don't want to see Liverpool win the league, believe me it's been a nightmare for all of my life, something I hoped would never happen, but to somehow suggest football shouldn't return because they are at some major risk, even with all the testing going on especially for them it's just strange.

It's like people can't separate the 2 issues and have warped themselves into being convinced that whilst everyone else goes back to work, football should be paused until some magical date when no one is at risk. Or the even better one of scrap it and start next season in August, when the risk will be roughly the same as now
 
TheReligion said:
BBC News - Troy Deeney: Watford captain says he will not return to training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

Deeney has told Watford he's not going to train and play. Expect more PL players to follow suit and the PFA to get involved.
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It's the right stance. If he doesn't feel comfortable then he shouldn't. I would do the same and probably be asked to leave my job but I'd find something else. Troy is a fit lad, he'll find another another job no problem, or probably start his own business as he has enough cash flow no doubt. Good on him.
 
Sandikan said:
Fair enough. Presumably he's not expecting to keep trousering his massive wages whilst doing so though.
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In all fairness though he's just another individual who's been crippled by fear. Constant depressing news about the number of deaths increasing day after day after day. There's plenty of others just like him. It's gotten to the stage now I reckon where the biggest danger lies more in long-term mental health issues for thousands & thousands of people who've all who've been mentally scarred by the events of the past few months. Footballers are not like your everyday Joe Bloggs who work in a factory or building site. They live an isolated life anyway & so this stuff probably feeds on their insecurities more than it would for the rest of us.
 
Klopp celebrates winning the Sky Sports Back to Work trophy in front of the kop:
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redman5 said:
In all fairness though he's just another individual who's been crippled by fear. Constant depressing news about the number of deaths increasing day after day after day. There's plenty of others just like him. It's gotten to the stage now I reckon where the biggest danger lies more in long-term mental health issues for thousands & thousands of people who've all who've been mentally scarred by the events of the past few months. Footballers are not like your everyday Joe Bloggs who work in a factory or building site. They live an isolated life anyway & so this stuff probably feeds on their insecurities more than it would for the rest of us.
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That's the one thing the govt have got right, they've scared people into thinking they will die if they leave their house. Law of averages some footballers were going to fall into that group.
 
It's really been a delight to follow this thread. From the optimism of the voiding to the bitterness of now as that possibility has faded. It's been brilliant, me and my Scouse friends have enjoyed certain posts very much. Thank you guys!!
 
First round of test results should be in shortly. I think it’s up to 40 tests per club each time. 48 hour turnaround suggests these tests were done at the latest on Sunday.
 
McGrathsipan said:
man5, post: 25559948, member: 24700"]
If the season's completed how will it be classed as a 'written off season' ? Except for the fact there's going to be no fans in attendance for the foreseeable future, the same rules apply insofar that there's relegation issues still to be resolved & European places still to be had. We're simply at the point we were when football was suspended. OK you've got a small group of players who object to playing. Simple answer there is, don't play. Then you've got people on here objecting to football restarting. Simple answer there is, don't watch. It'll be no different to any other season at this stage because you'll have those with a lot to play for, & those with nothing to play for. So you're going to get a few unpredictable results along the way. But that's how it's always been, & that's how it'll be next season & beyond, virus or no virus.
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ITs a written off season based on the enjoyment we should be taking from it one way or the other. As a spectacle its written off.
yeah it may see all games completed BCD and all that but you can write off any planned normal celebrations and normal presentations. The players can write off a trophy parade and an end of season celebration.
So yeah as far as I am concerned the season is written off metaphorically.
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How would you view next season if it started in September and fans weren't allowed back in until March? That is probably the most likely outcome as we stand.
 
BigRedScouser said:
It's really been a delight to follow this thread. From the optimism of the voiding to the bitterness of now as that possibility has faded. It's been brilliant, me and my Scouse friends have enjoyed certain posts very much. Thank you guys!!
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Is that what you tell yourself yeah?

I’ve not really got into any sort of Liverpool talk in this thread and I’m definitely pro restart but have to admit the odd post like this makes me chuckle.

Liverpool fans trying to convince and reassure themselves and clutching at any straw to make what is going to be the most irrelevant, insignificant and least celebrated title win in the history of the Premier League seem a bit more satisfying by trying to goad United fans on here.

You’ve waited thirty years for a league title, Sunday was supposed to be the final day of the season. You had all planned and expected a massive celebration, media fawning etc
Now all you’re gonna get is some hollow win and celebration in an empty ground with no bus parade, no fan fare, no front pages, no vomit inducing fairytale stories.

But yeah you and your “scouse mates“ got to laugh at some internet people on redcafe, I’m sure that’s made it all better ......,..
 
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BigRedScouser said:
It's really been a delight to follow this thread. From the optimism of the voiding to the bitterness of now as that possibility has faded. It's been brilliant, me and my Scouse friends have enjoyed certain posts very much. Thank you guys!!
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It will be a delight see all those Liverpool fans not being able to celebrate a title 30 with the players. The players will probably get bad publicity celebrating a title even though they are not meant to.
 
FootballHQ said:
ITs a written off season based on the enjoyment we should be taking from it one way or the other. As a spectacle its written off.
yeah it may see all games completed BCD and all that but you can write off any planned normal celebrations and normal presentations. The players can write off a trophy parade and an end of season celebration.
So yeah as far as I am concerned the season is written off metaphorically.
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How would you view next season if it started in September and fans weren't allowed back in until March? That is probably the most likely outcome as we stand.
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It is what it is. We'd probably get used to it over time but I wonder if this was to go on over time would we all just drift away or lose interest bit by bit.
The sponsors would have to consider their investments too based on numbers in stadiums and/or sales performance dropping to zero on match days. There is so much to consider when you think about the subsets of businesses.

I mean we all love going to see our teams. To be entertained.
Fergie and Busbys teamtalks included shit about going out to entertain the fans in the stands. Football as a spectacle is for fans. If BCD is the only way to do it then fine we have to accept it but I dont like it.
I think anyway that we are looking at some sort of knock on effect for next season. Its hard to see a fan in a stadium for another 12 months
 
romufc said:
It will be a delight see all those Liverpool fans not being able to celebrate a title 30 with the players. The players will probably get bad publicity celebrating a title even though they are not meant to.
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That's the thing, it's undeniably put a massive dampener on the title win, I don't think any Liverpool fan would deny that. The only thing giving us a tiny bit of joy from it is the desperation from the other fans as they try to clutch any straw they can to downplay the fact we've dominated and will be rightful champions. They should just be happy we have to lift it in these most unfortunate circumstances. But that's not enough for them, and it's funny.
 
BigRedScouser said:
That's the thing, it's undeniably put a massive dampener on the title win, I don't think any Liverpool fan would deny that. The only thing giving us a tiny bit of joy from it is the desperation from the other fans as they try to clutch any straw they can to downplay the fact we've dominated and will be rightful champions. They should just be happy we have to lift it in these most unfortunate circumstances. But that's not enough for them, and it's funny.
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Tbh, yes it would be good to see Liverpool not win the title, Liverpool fans would be the same if roles were reversed.

But, there is no denying Liverpool have been the best team and deserve the title.

The possibility of the season being void are slim to none at this point.
 


Fair play to Deeney. Hope other players who feel the same are confident in asserting themselves and are supported by their teammates.

I know I sure as shit wouldn't be playing that soon without massive re-assurances. I also wouldn't be quick to give up my wages either. Not Deeney's fault there's a pandemic, or that his profession is completely nonessential, or that it's impossible to social distance within it, or that they can't guarantee his safety, or that a lot of very rich and powerful people have decided to try and put them back to work early for their own reasons. Feck that.
 
sullydnl said:


Fair play to Deeney. Hope other players who feel the same are confident in asserting themselves and are supported by their teammates.

I know I sure as shit wouldn't be playing that soon without massive re-assurances. I also wouldn't be quick to give up my wages either. Not Deeney's fault there's a pandemic, or that his profession is completely nonessential, or that it's impossible to social distance within it, or that they can't guarantee his safety, or that a lot of very rich and powerful people have decided to try and put them back to work early for their own reasons. Feck that.
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Good luck with that. If he's refusing to perform services, his employer can refuse to pay his wages and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

He's entitled to his opinion, and it's a valid one as well, but he's speaking from a very privileged position and should accept the consequences of that decision as well in that case.
 
RobinLFC said:
Good luck with that. If he's refusing to perform services, his employer can refuse to pay his wages and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

He's entitled to his opinion, and it's a valid one as well, but he's speaking from a very privileged position and should accept the consequences of that decision as well in that case.
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Well, I am sure in his contract there will be something in respects to safety. I am sure he wouldn't mind not getting paid for 1 month.

It is only football. Why would he want to risk his sons life if he feels it is in danger?
 
romufc said:
Well, I am sure in his contract there will be something in respects to safety. I am sure he wouldn't mind not getting paid for 1 month.

It is only football. Why would he want to risk his sons life if he feels it is in danger?
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Like I said, it's a valid opinion.

A safety clause would be too general and broad to argue that the PL, with all the measures it will take to avoid infections (Bundesliga-like), hasn't done enough to warrant his safety. No way will he drag his own club to a lawsuit for that. Of course it's not your regular employee/employer situation either. They'd probably come to a settlement before unilaterally deciding anything.
 
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