Yes and there is a chance Liverpool would blow the title on England but it's just not going to happen . Celtic are worthy champions just as Liverpool are in England . You obviously don't watch Scottish football if you think Rangers had a realistic chance of winning the league
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Yes and there is a chance Liverpool would blow the title on England but it's just not going to happen . Celtic are worthy champions just as Liverpool are in England . You obviously don't watch Scottish football if you think Rangers had a realistic chance of winning the league
I kind of get the people arguing that it shouldn't be awarded if it's not won mathematically. It's not the right way even if the chances are 99%. And it's certainly not right to get relegated if you still have a chance of survival. I know some of you will argue otherwise and that's fine, but everybody knows that we would've won it and that we deserve it. And if we should be awarded the title, so be it. We are worthy champions. But it wouldn't feel right and I would hate that asterix. Here's hoping it will be safe to resume the league for at least a couple of rounds until we've won it mathematically.
No, you're starting from scratch and "pretending" that the season never happened.
The only reason neutral people have a hard time accepting a void season is because the time frame. It doesn't matter if the season is 10% or 90% done. As long there are several important things to fight for you have to play the remaining games or void the whole thing.
A lot of European FAs (namely Holland, France, Belgium and Scotland), UEFA and FIFA disagrees with you. This is Trump level of supporting a point going on here. Obamagate?
The world was obviously NOT prepared for something like this. In most cases there weren't even any proper rules in place to do deal with the situation. There is no objectively right answer here.
Finishing the season "as is" has so many flaws I get dizzy just trying organize all the reasons for why I think it's wrong.
Its going to be there even if the season is played out. There is no way that a season can have a break of 3 months and 1/4 played BCD without it being noted in the record books. Going to have to learn to embrace it mate - its there for eternity.
Yeah, it's either asterix or void. It'll be annoying either way. If you don't get the trophy we'll never hear the end of it. The "tragic hero narrative" will be nauseating and the conspiracy theories will even make Alex Jones shake his head.
... but it's still marginally preferable to you actually getting the asterix infused trophy, mind you
You look at the authorities for the right answer(s) in a time like this. What they tell you in unison... that is the right answer. You can throw away all your dizzy thoughts to help unclutter your own mind. No one else is going to want your dizzy thoughts in their heads.
This is not science
Provided one option isn't significantly better economically/legally, it's 100% a question of philosophy/morals/whatever. Our opinion is as valid as theirs.
This is not science
Provided one option isn't significantly better economically/legally, it's 100% a question of philosophy/morals/whatever. Our opinion is as valid as theirs.
Are you a bot?
Are you a bot?
I was gonna ask the same. I'm not the one blindly doing "as instructed" :P
You're probably right. But if the season is played out or at least until we've won it mathematically it will be a lot easier to embrace it knowing we've won it instead of being awarded it.
Yeah, it's either asterix or void. It'll be annoying either way. If you don't get the trophy we'll never hear the end of it. The "tragic hero narrative" will be nauseating and the conspiracy theories will even make Alex Jones shake his head.
... but it's still marginally preferable to you actually getting the asterix infused trophy, mind you
I would let go of the void hope. It was never a realistic option. Having an asterisk and no title celebration in front of a crowd is much better than what you were looking at a couple of months ago. Another option if the season doesn’t get completed you could email the PL and demand that the little balls on top of the crown get removed from the trophy we receive. Worth a shot.
Good post.
You are quite right, liverpool clearly were going to win it and no matter what happens with the league it seems you will be awarded the trophy one way or another.
Sadly for Liverpool fans you probably feel kind of robbed from having a real Celebration and i am sure even winning it would still feel a little empty to how you should have won it.
Crazy times.
To be honest, when it comes to Liverpool I just like to tease
I care more about the teams that will go down despite all of them having a good chance of survival pre-corona. I also feel for all the teams that were so close to getting CL football. For teams like Wolves and Sheffield, that would have been huge. They would have given Chelsea and us a fight till the end, I'm sure.
I think this is going to be debated for many years to come. I reckon "Team Void" will remain the minority, but that's just fun. It's boring to agree with people all the time.
Thank you.
And you're right. Even if it should be played out, it's not the same at all. For me, it feels done by now. Don't get me wrong, I want to win it instead of being awarded it, but really, the rest of the season is just for money and statistics. The thrill has gone.
I think it will inspire the team to go out and win it again next season personally.
I've done a bit of maths on to calculate what the final positions might be.
If the following predictive table is used to estimate results between sides...
The final league table will look like this:
I've done the calculations week-on-week, with teams switching position as they go along. The link for download is here.
United and Chelsea both finish on 68 points. But United currently have a higher goal difference and will likely beat Chelsea at Old Trafford to increase it further.
If the PL is going to insist on assigning finishing positions like they did in Scotland, they should at least do it a bit more cleverly than the SFA.
If the following predictive table is used to estimate results between sides...
| Home team's league position relative to away team | Away team's league position relative to home team | Result |
| 1 position above | 1 position below | draw |
| 2 position above | 2 position below | draw |
| 3 position above | 3 position below | home win |
| 4 position above | 4 position below | home win |
| 5 position above | 5 position below | home win |
| 6 position above | 6 position below | home win |
| 7 position above | 7 position below | home win |
| 8 position above | 8 position below | home win |
| 9 position above | 9 position below | home win |
| 10 position above | 10 position below | home win |
| 11 position above | 11 position below | home win |
| 12 position above | 12 position below | home win |
| 13 position above | 13 position below | home win |
| 14 position above | 14 position below | home win |
| 15 position above | 15 position below | home win |
| 16 position above | 16 position below | home win |
| 17 position above | 17 position below | home win |
| 18 position above | 18 position below | home win |
| 19 position above | 19 position below | home win |
| 1 position below | 1 position above | draw |
| 2 position below | 2 position above | draw |
| 3 position below | 3 position above | away win |
| 4 position below | 4 position above | away win |
| 5 position below | 5 position above | away win |
| 6 position below | 6 position above | away win |
| 7 position below | 7 position above | away win |
| 8 position below | 8 position above | away win |
| 9 position below | 9 position above | away win |
| 10 position below | 10 position above | away win |
| 11 position below | 11 position above | away win |
| 12 position below | 12 position above | away win |
| 13 position below | 13 position above | away win |
| 14 position below | 14 position above | away win |
| 15 position below | 15 position above | away win |
| 16 position below | 16 position above | away win |
| 17 position below | 17 position above | away win |
| 18 position below | 18 position above | away win |
| 19 position below | 19 position above | away win |
The final league table will look like this:
| position | team | points |
1 | Liverpool | 107 |
2 | Manchester City | 83 |
3 | Leicester | 78 |
4 | Manchester United | 68 |
4 | Chelsea | 68 |
6 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 66 |
7 | Sheffield United | 61 |
8 | Tottenham | 58 |
9 | Arsenal | 56 |
10 | Burnley | 52 |
11 | Newcastle United | 48 |
12 | Everton | 47 |
13 | Crystal Palace | 46 |
14 | Southampton | 45 |
15 | West Ham | 34 |
15 | Brighton | 34 |
17 | Watford | 31 |
18 | Bournemouth | 27 |
19 | Aston Villa | 25 |
20 | Norwich | 21 |
I've done the calculations week-on-week, with teams switching position as they go along. The link for download is here.
United and Chelsea both finish on 68 points. But United currently have a higher goal difference and will likely beat Chelsea at Old Trafford to increase it further.
If the PL is going to insist on assigning finishing positions like they did in Scotland, they should at least do it a bit more cleverly than the SFA.
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Good post right up until the end when what everyone hates about Liverpool fans popped up. Yeah let's play the league just until Liverpool mathematical win it then just toss it aside . Unbelievable.
If we can play the season out, fine.. The best outcome of a bunch of bad choices. If that turns out not to be possible, then like i said, i hope we can at least play until we've won it. I totally understand that being a Man United fan, you don't have the same interest in us winning the league, but tell me.. How is more games worse for anyone than stopping now?
Because imagine they play another 2 or 3 games and you end up with 5 or 6 teams on the same amount of points in the relegation zone ? Or we end up with 3 teams in joint 4th place ? They either start it to finish the season not to give Liverpool enough time to win the league mathematically or they pack it in now .
They have shown they don't give a shit about being fair to the relegation zone, so what makes you think they would care about them all of a sudden?
How can you relegate 4 or 5 teams if they are all matching . Highly unlikely but on this thread I keep being told anything is possible
It's all about the money, the UK government have been a joke dealing with this pandemic. The so called restart will happen but there will be casualties. Getting football back will have a price. If we are talking about the integrity of the game, why is scraping the FA cup this season about to happen? If it was safe to play then why should one tournament be completed and the other not, if it's safe?
It's not safe and the ease of lockdown is going to inevitably spike in more cases. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the UK are accepting casualties from here on in. On the football side of things.The entire thing is a rubbish, for anyone that watched the bundesliga you would know the fitness of the players is way off. It's like watching a poor pre season friendly at best. For the teams lower in the league the home advantage is gone. They count on there 12th man, you can't say everyone is in the same boat. The previous fixtures having fans makes a huge difference. Then when teams know they are safe, watch the team selections. Players will not be risking there health, this goes for the ones playing the top 4. The moment Liverpool wrap up the league I doubt you'll see big players in squads, that could be early on if it goes ahead. I wouldn't blame Liverpool for not taking risks with there top players.
Then there is safety, I have friends in Liverpool chatting about how they will celebrate in the city. Outside Anfield will be packed and they will celebrate. Social distancing will be out the window. You can't tell me all them balloons will be n staying inside. Rivalry aside, I genuinely worry about an outbreak especially in merseyside. This will have a knock on effect on other areas. People saying this won't happen are naive. I lived in Liverpool and know what the title will mean for them, United would be no different after the first league in the 90's.
The mindset is odd especially in here. The Liverpool fans are desperate to get back playing regardless of consequence. It's about lifting the league, full stop, feck everyone else. Some United fans are on about getting top 4, that's to ensure Sancho and other signings. The teams near the relegation are null and void to ensure they don't go down. In short everyone is short term/selfish for there own interest. It's not safe to be talking about restart but money and greed talk. If we were talking about July as a preliminary date, maybe if the virus was under some control, players were properly ready and felt safe. Unfortunately we are nowhere near that. Shame on everyone that wants this rushed back.
It's not safe and the ease of lockdown is going to inevitably spike in more cases. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the UK are accepting casualties from here on in. On the football side of things.The entire thing is a rubbish, for anyone that watched the bundesliga you would know the fitness of the players is way off. It's like watching a poor pre season friendly at best. For the teams lower in the league the home advantage is gone. They count on there 12th man, you can't say everyone is in the same boat. The previous fixtures having fans makes a huge difference. Then when teams know they are safe, watch the team selections. Players will not be risking there health, this goes for the ones playing the top 4. The moment Liverpool wrap up the league I doubt you'll see big players in squads, that could be early on if it goes ahead. I wouldn't blame Liverpool for not taking risks with there top players.
Then there is safety, I have friends in Liverpool chatting about how they will celebrate in the city. Outside Anfield will be packed and they will celebrate. Social distancing will be out the window. You can't tell me all them balloons will be n staying inside. Rivalry aside, I genuinely worry about an outbreak especially in merseyside. This will have a knock on effect on other areas. People saying this won't happen are naive. I lived in Liverpool and know what the title will mean for them, United would be no different after the first league in the 90's.
The mindset is odd especially in here. The Liverpool fans are desperate to get back playing regardless of consequence. It's about lifting the league, full stop, feck everyone else. Some United fans are on about getting top 4, that's to ensure Sancho and other signings. The teams near the relegation are null and void to ensure they don't go down. In short everyone is short term/selfish for there own interest. It's not safe to be talking about restart but money and greed talk. If we were talking about July as a preliminary date, maybe if the virus was under some control, players were properly ready and felt safe. Unfortunately we are nowhere near that. Shame on everyone that wants this rushed back.
You do realise the people at the games will be at a much lower risk than the average person going about their day to day life don't you?
That may work if we still had to play at Old Trafford.
Void is still a worry to all Liverpool fans. Until someone from the PL comes out and says it's not on the table, it casts a long shadow over Liverpool FC.
The mask continues to slip...
Get these fecking jokers out of here with that shit. The fecking state of that attitude. Their self-indulgence needs to be studied by the brightest psychologists we have and recorded in the annals of history. There are a few self-obsessed groups of supporters in world sport but none as pronounced as the Scousers.
Blimey.
The last bit of his sentence is poor wording but what is wrong with hoping that it'll soon be safe to resume the league? I'm doing that as well.
It’s inevitable the season will kick off and last 2 rounds of games which will give Liverpool the title . They won’t give a feck what happens after that . We just need to mentally prepare for the sh*itshow with documentaries , interviews , match clips and opinions of absolutely nobodies for a few months . It will always have an asterix though .
So this is what clubs are doing to get football training back
Its desperate stuff. It really is. Its a fecking contact sport. This is not how football is meant to be.
Just leave it until its safe to go back properly. fecking virus.
- Disinfecting all training equipment including balls at their training grounds.
- Delivering training kit to players so they can arrive ready to train.
- Marking out designated parking spaces for players with gaps of three spaces between each car.
- Allocating players to different groups of four or five in which they will train on designated pitches.
- Drawing up lists of staggered arrival times for different players.
- Drawing up lists of club employees who will be allowed at the training ground.
Its desperate stuff. It really is. Its a fecking contact sport. This is not how football is meant to be.
Just leave it until its safe to go back properly. fecking virus.
Its not going to be safe for a long time. Football as we know it is gone for a while.
Right liverpools fans want to see the title and thats fair enough but after that what then? Are we all happy to lap up the farce that is empty stadiums and fecking teams of dettol agents chasing you around and spraying you to within an inch of your life. Are we happy to see people dressed for chemical warfare everywhere. I'm not. Think of what football is on the social scale to you. Do you really think it will be as much fun as it should be with everyone in scrubs?
Liverpool are the champions of a written off season one way or the other. Well done. When the logisitics of how that comes about is put to bed then we have us all on the same page. Looking forward at a barren spell without proper football. Its depressing.
Spoiler alert: football is not only here for your entertainment, it's a business which needs to keep on rolling in order to generate money, just like any other sector. You're going on about a barren spell without proper football while the Bundesliga resumed last weekend, come on now. Football "as we knew it" will be gone for a while because it's not worth it to risk your health while going to a football game, no. But football as the game itself will be back soon enough, out of necessity for the clubs. It's a job just like any other in that respect, with a far lesser chance to get infected on top of that.
Doesn't matter that we're "happy" how things are resuming, that it's in empty stadiums, ... because that's what will happen. You can either hate it and not watch football for at least the remainder of 2020 and possibly beyond that, or you can just accept it for what it is - a lesser version of what it used to be, but that doesn't mean it can't be fun to watch anymore once you've accepted that this is the way things are going to be for a while. I'd rather look at the glass half full. And this has nothing to do with Liverpool at all, any title we will get this season will feel hollow, there'll barely be any celebration and the next day it'll be business as usual again.
If I have the option between no football at all for the foreseeable future, or football like the Bundesliga last weekend, I'm still gonna chose the latter option, but I get that not everyone feels the same way about it. I don't love it either, for obvious reasons, but it's still better than nothing.
It would be comedy if not so serious.
All that keeping apart stuff totally goes out the window at the first corner when everyone is mixed in and scuttling and jostling.
All of this worked perfectly in the Bundesliga and now it's back playing.
Well excuse me
I thought it would go without saying, that I hope the league will be resumed and finished, when and if it's safe to do so. Apparantly not.
And IF it should be resumed and not finished, for one reason or another, I hope we will have won it by then.
But I will say it again.. I hope the league will be played out till the end when and if it's safe to do so! Are you ok with that? Or does it still hurt your feelings?
Everything he said up to that point matters none
I haven't been following all the details on this really closely but is the plan to finish the league but just the league i.e. not the actual football season? No FA cup? Surely that can't be?
I mean that would seem to me to be pretty bizarre. If that comes to pass at least everyone could drop all the pretence about focusing on safety at that point. If it's only the competition with all the tv money riding on it that can be played to a finish then that would make a complete mockery of the whole season.
And I get why Liverpool fans would be disappointed. Of course they would and they'd have a right to be - it's an extraordinary situation. No doubt about it. Extraordinarily unlucky on them. But it's reality unfortunately.
Either they manage to somehow finish the season behind closed doors with the regular rules of the game and every team has a fair chance to play the remaining domestic season (and hopefully the European competitions at some stage) or if that can't done - then it's done. You can't just pick and choose the financially juicy parts and then claim to maintain any sort of sporting integrity.
Out of interest when are stadium tours in Germany projected to recommence?