Liverpool are so lucky that the Fa cup and CL is turned void, but the league title will be theirs.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Just waiting for the autocorrect to be added so that * appears automatically after Liverpool
Could have maybe chosen some different words given Amiens was a very famous WW1 battle with loads of deaths. Tad dramatic.
But I get his point. And likely the first of many as impossible to please everyone.
The court should just tell them to feck off to be fair, there's no entertaining these bullshits at times like this
That tournament has finished in full. Why should that be taken away?
So if no football happens and the league positions are decided by a PPG or current standings. Does that mean Liverpool title count goes to 19 or will it be 18+1* with *=season incomplete due to a pandemic?
They mentioned points per game, it doesn't change the table much in CL and relegation. What i did notice is that Bournemouth Villa and Norwich going down but Watford and West Ham surviving on goal difference. That seems very harsh.
France have the same thing so will be interesting to see how they overcome this.
I agree there but the bottom line is they are going to keep those standings unless they play.
https://www.linklaters.com/en/insig...covid19-what-next-for-contractual-obligations
EDIT: UK Court of Law should be careful, allowing these kinds of suits to go through would meant precedent unprecedented. And unless they want the whole country start suing each other they, in my opinion should just categorized corona as "force majeure" and be done with it.
Arguing on how to restart is fine, but when clubs are looking for monetary gain because the FA decided to put safety first (for once) some common sense should prevail.
If they void competitions they have to void them all. Nobody will credit them with number 19 if there are rules changes or the season is drastically altered. I certainly won't. Its still 18 unless they win it properly for me.
Another touted solution is ppg per home and away fixtures to compensate for the fact that not all teams have the same number of home/away games remaining. On that metric West Ham go down...
Anything that would relegate WHU is good.
Is it harsh? I think it's fair, it is based on theirs and their competitor's performance. Wasn't ideal but hardly not fair.
Just like PPG will correctly relegate norwich, and gets Liverpool their title. More right than wrong PPG
"Be careful to set dangerous precedents!"
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"Just label it as force majeure and be done with it!"
Right.
You really don't think Covid 19 is a force majeure?
Seriously? So any joes and janes can just sue because they felt they lost something? Oh wait, maybe I can sue the government because I don't think it's fair I can't go out to walk my dog? Or can I now sue them because I lost my driving job because they won't allow me to get outside?
Just in case anyone needed reminding how up their own arse scousers are right now. It’s like they’re too thick to realise it’s comments like this that are the reason no one likes them, not because of ‘how good they are’.
Don't blame them.
Lets face it, the League must be finished to appoint Liverpool the title, I can see football coming back for two matches, then they
I read somewhere that it is written into the league's rules about abandoning a season , thus they knew what the rules were so they can't really complain when those rules go against them.
Yes, their FA have the power to unilaterally end the season but you have to feel for them.
It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what's in the contract. Given the specific circumstances though, no, I don't think Covid-19 would meet the force majeure threshold. Merely rendering an obligation more difficult or expensive for one party certainly doesn't imply force majeure - would've been another story if the government had banned professional sports for an extended period of time though, but they didn't. It's still *possible* to let games take place.
You don't seem to have an understanding of contract law, and your examples are completely off the mark and pointless in that respect.
Ok
As long as Liverpool wins the title? Your stance on this matter is absolutely biased, I understand coming from your perspective as 28 years in waiting Liverpool fan, I really do. But to claim this is not a force majeure and the show must go on is bonkers. And I'm the one who doesn't understand contract? Sure mate, sure. Let's just see how that lawsuit going eh? we can sit back and find out in the real world how it's going
Inspired by Redman being a Picard look a like I thought the below crew list would be appropriate as Liverpool try and navigate through a meteor shower to capture the PL trophy.
@redman5 - Captain Picard
@B20 - Picard stunt double
@Klopper76 - Data
@Finn MacCool - Spock
@Megadrive Man - Worf
@RobinLFC - Sulu
@Liver_bird - Uhura
@redman5 - Captain Picard
@B20 - Picard stunt double
@Klopper76 - Data
@Finn MacCool - Spock
@Megadrive Man - Worf
@RobinLFC - Sulu
@Liver_bird - Uhura
Well it depends what "extended period of time" means, because we are now 7 weeks into a lockdown and no sport returning for another 3 weeks. So a ban of 10 weeks when the season is meant to finish by the latest end of June as per the PL.
So in a 9 month PL schedule, 3 months suspension is = 1/3. It depends what contract law will classify as extended.
Finally, there will be some industries claiming this as Force Majeure i.e construction and airlines. If they are able to convince the courts it is force majeure why not in football?
"My stance"? I'm talking for a contract law POV and not from a football POV, which I've abundantly made clear by now that I don't care anymore that it gets resumed or not since the title has already lost all meaning and glamour. I'm talking facts - if the PL cancels the season and doesn't have the legal backing from a force majeure clause, they're gonna get sued and they're gonna lose.
So yes let's just see how the lawsuit goes. Neither you nor I have any impact on how it will go, but if they have legal ground to sue, then they'll win, no matter how repulsive or immoral you think it is.
Bolded part: it does not depend on what contract law classifies as "extended", it depends on the terms of the contract. If it's stated that a season should be finished by the end of June, every day without football will be a day that we get closer to a force majeure qualification.
Last sentence: force majeure takes into account the circumstances and will depend from industry to industry. In certain sectors it'll be a piece of cake to establish force majeure given there will be an absolute impossibility due to (travel or trading) restrictions by the government, yes. Easily. Doesn't mean that will transfer to football right away, it doesn't work like that.
So glad you didn't give me Wesley Crusher.
Corona isn't a force Majeure, not furlough payment no chute payment, no financial plan because it's not impossible to continue working, just more difficult.
Right?
I understand the first part and none of us know what the PL contracts look like, that will come out once the lawyers of teams start arguing the cases.
The second paragraph though is confusing because I would assume Force Majeure in contract law would have the same definition across all contracts. Surely it cannot be based on profession / industry.
Not even gonna bother to actually respond to that. Like I said, you seem to have zero understanding about force majeure and contract law. That's fine, just don't come up with ridiculous examples.
Do enlighten me, cause you seems to understand better about contracts.
But that ppg is not fair either. One team played all top teams and have 0 points per game from that. Other team have most of those games to play meaning that they had easier schedule. Look at us and Chelsea. We have by far better schedule than them but we would lose 4th spot on ppg.
I know that big money is involved but finishing this season means:
1) Players health is in danger. Not just virus, they are out of shape now. Training at home is nothing. You need weeks of trainings on the pitch and with pro staff to get in shape.
2) Ruining next season
3) Ruining next Euro
4) Playing on empty stadiums
Canceling season and allowing players to prepare properly for next season is the best solution. But but but Liverpool, not fair etc.....
Of course it can. The definition might be the same but the effect or application depends on the circumstances.
A trader in Lombardy who cannot fulfill his usual (short term) contractual obligations because of trade restrictions imposed by the government = little problem relying on force majeure most probably.
A trader in Lombardy who concluded a trade contract at the end of March with obligation to deliver goods within two weeks not fulfilling his obligation "because of Covid-19": won't be able to rely on force majeure most probably.
Me ordering something online and UPS not showing up "because of Covid-19": no chance at force majeure.
All contracts, might even be contracts with exactly the same force majeure clauses, but it will have a different application to each specific circumstance.
Because you've been banging his mum?
I know different legal systems will have a different meaning. The Force majeure clause in this country refers to a suspension of 30-90 days, which we are getting close to. Yes, I get that it depends on the PL contract what specific points are written to be part of force majeure i.e act of god, act of govt, pandemic etc...
We are only speculating.
However; I am sure within the contracts there will be clauses about players health and cramming games in 3 weeks might jeopardise that.
It is about to get all messy I think.
Android style.
You want to say that they are greatest crew ever (more or less)? You are generous guy, my friend.
I would go with Wesley and his mom, Kira, Michael and characters like them.
We're seeing this played out in public, some might be concerned an extended period might mean cancellation of the contract. I'm assuming that is what the PL/FA refer to when they're talking about longer effects?
I'm not a lawyer/barrister it'll be interesting if there are views about...