Theyll have to last a while, because they wont see any change with bcd or neutral venue football.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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You do realise if there is a vote, no one would be surprised if chelsea vote no?
They have everything to lose and nothing to gain from the league being continued vs. stopped and the CL being picked based on current standing.s
I don't see how you can change the rules 3/4 through the season.
In my opinion, abandon the league, give Liverpool a title with a star next to it, allow promotion but not relegation (extra relegation next season) and run a mini Premiership tournament in the summer, behind closed doors for the TV companies.
In my opinion, abandon the league, give Liverpool a title with a star next to it, allow promotion but not relegation (extra relegation next season) and run a mini Premiership tournament in the summer, behind closed doors for the TV companies.
I agree.
The only clubs likely to support a restart are those who stand to gain something from it such as United, Wolves, Sheffield, and the scousers.
Just looked at the Telegraph, which is the Tory parties mouthpiece, and they are saying lockdown is going to be extended for another three weeks. If that is the case, surely that is the end of the PL getting anything done? That would push any start of training back to 28 May and the players are going to need at least three weeks before they can play, that would make it 19 June before they can play a game minimum.
you think they cared so much? There are many things to worry about, how everton (or put your team here) fare next season is a bridge too far.
In Germany the first classes already are in school and the next classes do follow. There needs to be a concept for this in the schools so that there is more security for the pupils - that is why most schools will have half of the pupils per class, special distancing, in Bayern masks outside of the classrooms, no school meals etc.
Everything in Germany is on the way to go to a "new normal"... Adapted to the situation, yes, but the paths can be seen. Sports is allowed when contact rules can be adjusted to the situation.
My profession is that of an insurance specialist. I can think in risks and probabilities...
We face risks all day in life - and adjust to them with our behaviour or with the precautions we do when a risk that could happen cannot be fully prevented. We often do this instinctively - when we always would have the worst case in our mind we would not be able to enjoy living. If you look at the precautions that are made, on the situation in Germany as a whole and that of the players - there is risks that are far bigger for the players than dying of Corona. Each trip with the car is probably a bigger risk - or dying at home because of a household accident. There is no risk free.What? The point I'm making is if the season is played out Everton won't handicap themselves for the following campaign by giving their first team the rest of the season off.
A lot of players do not want to play. Further, if they do try and squeeze this season in, then it means 1.25 season plus a Euro's in a year. For me, Everton would be very wise to long this season off, have their players train through the Summer and go for it next season with fresh legs.
I said elsewhere that I cannot see it just being the bottom six that want to cancel this season. For me, clubs are broken down into the following four categories:
1) Want to restart the season without question: Utd, Dippers, Spuds, Sheff Utd, Wolves, Le Arse: six teams
2) Teams that do not want to restart: Chelsea, Norwich, Villa, Bournemouth, Brighton, West Ham, Watford: seven teams.
3) Teams that are playing with fire if they restart: Southampton, Newcastle (could both get relegated, especially with all the changes suggested), Leicester (were dropping like a stone before season called off). Three teams, where the safe bet is to call off the season.
4) Teams with no skin in the game: City, Everton, Burnley, Palace. However, of these teams City are in a funny position as Pep has had his mother die and there are players such as Kun saying he does not want to play. Further, six teams apparently wrote to UEFA to say that they should impliment their CL ban even if the appral has not been heard. Five of those six teams are in group 1, with Chelsea being the odd ones out. Due to these reasons, I can really see them saying cancel. Of the other three, I think these teams will just go with the majority unless there is going to be super serious financial implications for them if they do not finish.
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If they don't want to play they don't have too but one player with a fitness handicap (when the new season starts whenever it does) is a totally different ball game to an entire Xl.
Or if they cancel then every team restarts in the same boat in terms of catching up on match fitness but what I mean if there is a restart no team will give their best players the rest of the season off and put them at a major disadvantage when it comes to match fitness (I know the seasons won't go back to back but a player who's not played for 2 months will be in much better shape than someone who hasn't played for 6+, if it's 11 v 11 in that regard then it will be a complete mismatch).
Surely EVERY club has something to gain from restarting the season, as not doing so would cost everyone money from TV revenue.
Alongside that, a few clubs would have other considerations which they could see as more important, such as avoiding relegation.
Do think so. There's no chance (imo) sky and bt sports will try and pull money of the PL.
The PL will just not renew at the end of the current deal and go with Netflix/amazon/youtube.
The PL is to lucrative to haggle over 1/4 of one season imo
You cannot just terminate one binding contract and start another one without escaping liability. And starting a fresh deal with Netflix/Amazon is crazy. With global financial downturn, minimal transfer activity, and behind-closed-door football for the foreseeable future, I don’t think any streaming service would cough up a fraction of what Sky/BT have pledged for the current deal. I have not read the contract between the Premier League and Sky/BT, but if the season is cancelled, I think the TV companies would be eligible for a 25% refund. Whether the TV companies would haggle over this sum is a different matter.
They can't cancel without the approval of the EFL & the FA. They're all tied in to this. There'll be legal challenges galore if anyone other than the government decides to cancel this season.
I posted this piece from The Independent a couple of weeks ago.
The regulations and agreements dictate that the Premier League cannot unilaterally void a season without the agreement of the Football Association and the English Football League. For the same reasons, the top division can’t just decide to re-align relegation so it’s one up, one down rather than three up, three down.
And the EFL’s position is unequivocal: they are determined to finish the season, no matter when that may be. That is down to motivations much greater than any of the Premier League's reasons. It centres around the very survival of tranches of clubs. There are estimations up to 45 clubs could go out of business.
As such, the EFL's position won't be changing, and that effectively locks the Premier League in. It is there where the real potential for legal challenges arise. Multiple sources say that promotion-chasing clubs would have a legitimate argument that they will have suffered extraordinary loss if the Premier League does attempt to void the season and just restart from summer 2019. The expectation is they would be “very aggressive”.
I’m getting sick of this circus now. Just void the fecking league and start afresh in August or September. I want the season resumed more than anything but with so many clubs coming out and opposing playing at neutral stadiums it’s curtains in my opinion.
And what rule book do your proposed changes come in?!
What happens if a squad of players refuse to play?
Dominic Raab: "any changes from Monday will be modest, small, incremental and very carefully monitored"
This doesn't sound to me that there will be any big changes about football in English football. Would that mean that we have another 3 weeks (after three weeks they are legaly bound to review the lockdown) of uncertanity before we know anything more? That would put forward schedule even further for a start of a eventual season. Or am I wrong here? We are then looking at problems with contracts, sponsors and transfers.
This doesn't sound to me that there will be any big changes about football in English football. Would that mean that we have another 3 weeks (after three weeks they are legaly bound to review the lockdown) of uncertanity before we know anything more? That would put forward schedule even further for a start of a eventual season. Or am I wrong here? We are then looking at problems with contracts, sponsors and transfers.
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You gotta love the Dutch. Always tell it like it is while all others kick the can down the road.
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I don't understand the question.
Basically what I mean is that this current season is unable to continue under the rules that were set at the beginning of the season, hence it can't continue to the final result. So I would void the whole season, even if it means we are in the europa again.
If next season has to start behind closed doors and in neutral grounds, then the WHOLE season should be played behind closed doors and in neutral grounds.
If the TV companies are kicking off about the games not being played, give them a summer tournament that can be broadcast. There could be less games overall if it's a knock out, so they should be able to squeeze it in, and with a cup format, the excitement hopefully will be kept up.
This is inevitable, anyway. Either the season gets cancelled and Liverpool are awarded some sort of honorary title, or it gets finished behind closed doors in neutral venues in July/August and Liverpool parade the trophy around an empty Villa Park while clubs and fans up and down the country complain about the illegitimacy of changing the rules part way through the season. There's always going to be a massive asterisk next to the 2019/20 season, whatever happens now.
You gotta love the Dutch. Always tell it like it is while all others kick the can down the road.
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That's not going to be limited to the Netherlands. No sane government is going to sanction sporting events in packed stadiums, until either a vaccine or highly-effective antivirals have been developed.
It'll surely be the 2021/22 season before anyone sets foot in a stadium again.
They can be gifted* 3/4 of the trophy.
Why not just void the whole season and then do a mini World Cup style format over summer BCD. Structure the tournament in such a way that it identifies a top 6 (European qual ) and bottom 3 (for relegation).
Winner of the tournament is also awarded as league champion.
Sure Liverpool will complain, but if they are that good, they will win tournament anyway.
Would be a once in a lifetime format, generate huge buzz and ad revenue and give all clubs and fans something to play for. Most important it has integrity in that it’s same conditions for every club.
I much prefer this approach to trying to complete league bcd, at neutral venues or PPG. It makes a mockery of impartiality and will mean the winner’s legitimacy will never be accepted.
Winner of the tournament is also awarded as league champion.
Sure Liverpool will complain, but if they are that good, they will win tournament anyway.
Would be a once in a lifetime format, generate huge buzz and ad revenue and give all clubs and fans something to play for. Most important it has integrity in that it’s same conditions for every club.
I much prefer this approach to trying to complete league bcd, at neutral venues or PPG. It makes a mockery of impartiality and will mean the winner’s legitimacy will never be accepted.
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The fact that the league isn't going to be voided has been clear for ages, not least because there's zero benefit and many costs to doing so rather than just wrapping the season up like the Dutch (for one) did.
Insisting that there be relegation is more interesting.
I don’t think it’s really about Liverpool but more the legal repercussions and money involved if the league is cancelled. It’s a very tricky situation and would roll over into next season if the the season is void.
There's room to start in July as International football breaks will be gone surely and possibly European games gone so a lot of room for more midweek league games should the next season have to start in Sep/Oct. International breaks take up 4 weeks, also room to drop a cup. They will find a way to get the TV money in full.
I wouldn't take too much notice. There are many parties involved who have to be seen to do everything in their power to get the season finished. But it's not really in their hands right now.
There will be a time, quite soon I think, when the prospect of disturbing next season to the point where it couldn't be completed before the euros, will take over as a priority.
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Except the end of the season kind of highlighted the fact that they aren't really that good, or as good as they though they were, just were on an absolutely crazy run of results.
There would be literal riots in Liverpool
The only fair way to complete the season - if games can't be played out, which I think will be the case - would be on a points-per-game predictor system. Which is essentially calling it as is.
Yes certain teams had momentum etc, but if each teams' set of fans were honest with where they felt their team deserved to finish, I'm sure few would argue with their current standings. I think United would have got 4th, but I think the 4 ahead of us have been better up to this point.
Null and void would be nice (lol Liverpool) but what's the point really? We go back to last season's table to work out next season's European places? That's ridiculous, and European coefficient scores just plays into the hands of the status quo who frankly don't deserve it based on the last 10 months.
This way we can just put the season behind us without ignoring what's happened so far, not everyone's happy but in what world is that going to happen? At least this is consistent.
My least favourite part about these debates is how much pandering is clearly being done to the TV companies. Afraid they're just going to have to lump it for now. Sure they could demand huge amounts of cash to cover their losses, but they'd be causing long term damage to a product which they themselves will be reliant on in the recovery years to come.
Denmark has just opened up for all professional sport behind closed doors.
Voiding means nothing counts though, so Liverpool wouldn't win a title, and the other aspects like promotion wouldn't happen.
We won't see a voiding for sure.
In leagues 1 and 2 it's inevitable that we'll see things settled on points per game as there's zero interest in carrying on, and the costs are too high, and money on it too little relatively speaking.
The premier league seem hellbent on playing games out, but time is rolling on, and the government are expected to announce very minor loosening of the current lockdown.
So it's still anyone's guess what will happen there. There's no way they can bin relegation off, so how are they going to do it? Points per game? Very controversial! Delaying for ages? Can't happen as we'd be out of sync with next season, Europe etc.
Some new scheme? Who knows!
These other countries positions are interesting, for a comparison, but the truth is it makes zero difference to us as our situation in the UK has seemingly been worse than almost all of Europe, and we're now ahead of those we originally saw as having had a disaster!
I think we have to remember here that the EFL also has clubs who will vote on any proposals. So while the EFL's position may be to finish at any cost right now (or when the article was published) there may not be a consensus among the clubs who feel the same. I read last week one club will have only 5 senior players under contract after June 30th. I doubt every/most EFL clubs who are already struggling financially will want to be offering contract extensions to multiple player in uncertain times like these.
So while i do think the vast majority of EFL clubs will want to finish the season if it can before before the end of June. I doubt that will be the case after June or July at the latest, i reckon many or most of them will want to cut their losses and start planning for next season.
And we even seen yesterday that Rick Parry the chairman of the EFL has said the season has to finish by the end of July. So the EFL most certainly have changed their ''no matter when that may be'' stance from a few weeks ago. So who knows what else will change a few weeks from now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52562856
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There would be literal riots in Liverpool
The only fair way to complete the season - if games can't be played out, which I think will be the case - would be on a points-per-game predictor system. Which is essentially calling it as is.
Yes certain teams had momentum etc, but if each teams' set of fans were honest with where they felt their team deserved to finish, I'm sure few would argue with their current standings. I think United would have got 4th, but I think the 4 ahead of us have been better up to this point.
Null and void would be nice (lol Liverpool) but what's the point really? We go back to last season's table to work out next season's European places? That's ridiculous, and European coefficient scores just plays into the hands of the status quo who frankly don't deserve it based on the last 10 months.
This way we can just put the season behind us without ignoring what's happened so far, not everyone's happy but in what world is that going to happen? At least this is consistent.
My least favourite part about these debates is how much pandering is clearly being done to the TV companies. Afraid they're just going to have to lump it for now. Sure they could demand huge amounts of cash to cover their losses, but they'd be causing long term damage to a product which they themselves will be reliant on in the recovery years to come.
The massive issue with PPG is simply relegation.
Whereas Europe is maybe a little "Unfortunate" on say Sheff Utd, it's not a financial disaster like it would be for whoever marginally goes down as say 18th position.
It's a lotto of form, and fixtures basically.
Don't get me wrong - i'm willing it on in League 1 as my boys Wycombe will go up as 3rd. But the truth is, despite leading the league for months, we're 8th, albeit winning our game in hand from being joint 2nd, but we had been on a poor run of form, and have 6 aways left to 4 homes.... so you can see how it can be skewed!
Some people are still struggling to accept this despite all the statements to the contrary. The only major question left is how the season and by extension final placings will be concluded.
All this is fine and dandy, but they're clearly banking everything on being able to re-start soonish.
What happens when it becomes crystal clear that no-one is even starting proper training before June, let alone any games?
The government might not do more than allow us two runs a day by Sunday, and it could be the rest of May still in this lockdown state!
I clearly mean when the current on ends, the pl would go elsewhere if they get fined for something out of the control like this pandemic.
But your last sentence is my point..i dont think they will penalise the PL if the games dont go ahead. Thats why i dont think there isnt actually a financial gain from seeing the season out BCD or at a neutral venue.