I'm not sure that all sectors carry equal importance (whether measured on economic output or overall societal good). That is not to say that football should be dismissed - the livelihoods of many ordinary people are undoubtedly dependent on getting football going again. Unfortunately, many millions of peoples' livelihoods are also dependent on finding a way to transition sectors like education, construction, retail and hospitality, back to something like normal operation. Sadly, some of them are likely to be heavily curtailed, at least until 2021 - this is just the harsh reality of the situation we find ourselves in. Whether or not football can be saved from the same fate that is likely to befall the bars and restaurants of this country, is too soon to say.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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I'm not sure that all sectors carry equal importance (whether measured on economic output or overall societal good). That is not to say that football should be dismissed - the livelihoods of many ordinary people are undoubtedly dependent on getting football going again. Unfortunately, many millions of peoples' livelihoods are also dependent on finding a way to transition sectors like education, construction, retail and hospitality, back to something like normal operation. Sadly, some of them are likely to be heavily curtailed, at least until 2021 - this is just the harsh reality of the situation we find ourselves in. Whether or not football can be saved from the same fate that is likely to befall the bars and restaurants of this country, is too soon to say.
That type of comment in bold is exactly why this theory came about in the first place, that type of put down of the game I only ever use to hear from people who openly dispised it, now we're hearing it (and reguarly) from actual football fans.
Now when I say I 'put down' I don't mean in the sense you're wrong in saying in itself football is not the most important thing right now, ofcourse it isn't but the phrase "eleven men kicking a ball around" has for years been the go to phrase for people when they want to belittle the game and people who love it.
I think it was Carlo Ancelotti who said that "football is the most important of the unimportant things". That's probably about right. It's great fun and we all love it, but we have larger concerns at the moment and there's nothing contradictory about acknowledging that fact.
Making a good case there for people on here claiming that it isn't about Liverpool but about "more important things in society" or something.
To be fair mate you did say you sometimes think people on here actually hate football. If that’s not what you meant fair enough.
Though others have made similar claims who do seem to think that way. However stupid that theory may be.
I haven’t seen anyone on here say they never want to watch football again, personally.
Indeed but to read some of the shite spouted in this thread you wouldn’t think so.
I'll certainly be tuning in to watch the Bundesliga games, if they proceed in a few weeks' time. I'll do the same whenever the Premier League eventually returns, even though football in this country (if/when it starts up again) will likely now be behind closed doors at least until the 2021/22 season.
Some of us watch the game to enjoy football, not just have it as an excuse to socialise, so basically you just admitted football is just a socialising tool for you.
I think this is a big factor in why so many want no games to be played, they annoyed the grounds will be closed and they cant sit in a pub. I bet if the games were not behind closed doors most people would suddenly not care even though it would be way riskier.
That wasn't the point of my message, I'm not siding with either side. I would be willing to give the clubs the benefit of the doubt in this instance, in thinking they truly don't believe there is any integrity to the competition as it is being discussed in project restart (or whatever other stupid name it has), rather than the league, whose motives seem clearly financial, though it is only my opinion and I may be wrong.
But in any case, what I meant by message and the sarcastic use of the word "family" is that there is clearly no unity and no clarity between the various parties.
I expect money is playing a big part, and also likely the government is pushing for resume as well for morale reasons.
Then you have legal issues to worry about, the most fairest way to conclude the season is to finish it, any other option will likely lead to lots of court action.
Your comment about Liverpool dare I say it, suggests your opinion is a bit biased because you don't want them to get a title. If the other clubs didn't want to resume, Then the season would already be abandoned by a vote of 19 to 1.
Manchester United are likely one of the clubs pushing for the season to still go on as we now know the season wont be voided and the only way they getting CL next season is by getting themselves into the top 4. So I think to say its just about Liverpool is wrong.
Right now is big no. For various reason. I say that we should cancel and start planing for next season (september) how we should make it work. I think that there is lot more negative then positive in playing football now.
First players if you want to save clubs. That is when clubs are in economic problems. I agree that players are minority but if I could guess I would say that they are getting at least 3/4 of money paid to employees despite minority.
I believe that with all things considered the best is to cancel/stop league, give Liverpool trophy and work on next season. What to do with promotions, places and so on.
How does home advantage work in an empty stadium?
Does a supermarket close when a member of staff test's positive?
We had this discussion in the betting thread before this whole thing unfolded. For what it's worth, even non league teams have a home advantage of roughly 0.2 goals (up to 0.4 in the Premier League). This is not entirely comparable as in lower leagues there are other factors such as pitch conditions or away teams arriving late for midweek games because they work regular jobs during the day so it will be interesting to see how the Bundesliga games will be priced up. Home advantage is definitely diminshed in an empty stadium but still existent.
No, but it probably should for a day or 2 until everything that worker may have touched is disenfected
Understatement of the century
You can't live without food, you can live without football
That was not the question though.
Tough luck, it's still the answer
feck football, seriously. It's just a game. Stop making it like it's the holy grail that feeds million. It's not. At best it feeds big corporates on TV
Yeah it's the little things like knowing the pitch dimensions (a few players have mentioned in interviews they're just more confident hitting long range passes at home as they can mentally visualise the pitch better) and also having the home dressing room.
What teams will lose though is say being 1-2 down with ten minutes left at home and not having a home end roaring you on when you're attacking. Think of the amount of comebacks Dortmund have done in last decade late on in games when they've been attacking the yellow bank. This season I can remember them coming from 3 down in last 20 minutes v Paderborn. That's something they'd struggle to do BCD I think.
The only way I think would be to not air the games live and not announce the schedule then fans don't crowd round the stadium's.
Personally I think the neutral venue is a bit of a nail biting excuse for the clubs at the bottom trying to get a get out of jail card, I consider a league where 3/4 of the games played normally 1/4 behind closed doors at neutral venues, more legitimate than removing the expected result of been in the bottom 3. There is no integrity in removing relegation with 38 games played.
The only reason it makes big money is because it is a popular sport and does keep millions occupied. The facts of life. Sorry if the answer did not suit you.
It is a popular sport and keeps millions occupied when there are live games you can go watch in the stadiums, pubs etc. What we are doing now, is taking all the emotion out of the game, no fans, no celebrations. The only reason they want the league finished is purely money related.
In your response to the supermarket, when one person tests positive, they can replace staff and precautions taken, they do not shut because they are a necessity.
I'm not sure what that has to do with not wanting to further spread a deadly virus that has killed over 30k UK citizens in the space of 2 months. People can keep occupied in otherways that doesn't risk spreading it further, thats a fact of life.
I didn‘t tell any truth or lies, I just referred to the Kicker-article in which they (Kicker) equate the recommendation with „Maulkorb“ — a muzzle:
[...]Die Empfehlung kommt einem Maulkorb gleich, denn die Medienabteilungen der Klubs sahen sich seit Beginn der Corona-Testungen am vergangenen Donnerstag zahlreichen Nachfragen ausgesetzt, wie die Untersuchungsergebnisse in ihrem Fall ausgefallen seien. [...]
It leaves a bit of „Geschmäckle“ and I’m pleased that a respected football magazine brings these kind of dealings to our attention. Your offered reasoning, though correct, sounds like a DFL rebuttal.
I get that there is no emotions in the stadium, and that does suck.
But the majority of fans following the EPL don't attend games and don't watch them in pubs, I think the argument to say because we cant do those two things means it doesn't entertain anyone is wrong. Football is still football, regardless if you watching from your arm chair or the pub. Also people will talk about the games even if they don't watch them live. It is a means to keep people occupied with something positive instead of virus this, virus that. Even a government minister has come out saying its about "lifting the spirits of the nation".
As an example in war, troops, are rotated out, and have periods of entertainment, to prevent them from having mental breakdowns otherwise. Distractions are needed in bad times.
Get off the stage. If they had 38 points as opposed to 29 their stance would be completely different.
Yes, I get the alot of fans watch it at home, we all want football back so we can have something else to talk about.
It can raise spirits but also get people down? would you think smaller squads will be able to cope with the number of games that will be played in the short time frame?
After a few games, once Liverpool have secured the title, a couple relegation teams sorted, what will be there to play for?
DFL:
We are going to make a central announcement, thus we recommend you defer the reporting of test results to us.
You:
DFL told clubs not to share test results.
How on earth is that an accurate representation of the email?
There was no gag order (I have no idea why the kicker journalist phrased it like that, other than click-bait), there are no "dealings", DFL offered a suggestion to clubs, not an order.
1. Teams before this situation were able to have home advantage as they had full stadiums. Clubs now won't have that.
2. Familiarity with your own stadium. Some sides design their stadiums to make it comfortable for the home side and not so nice for the away teams.
Yeah, for example if BCD happened in the late 80s/early 90s Wimbledon playing at Plough Lane would still have a huge advantage despite no crowd.
The thing is, does teams and players and playing staff cares anymore? The league is virtually over for 17 teams with nothing to play for.
Liverpool will win, Norwich will get relegated, city and Leicester 2nd. The only real matches which has something is the relegation fight and probably United's. If the FA forces this teams will play it safe and plays 2nd string or not risking injuries.
Would that even give the team an advantage going into next season?
Say Everton played their B team for the reason you gave, their first team will return to action after what will almost certainly be atleast half a year without any game time, they will be over the place for months.
Think thats he actually meant.
Would the league not have to vote on that decision? So the teams near the bottom would vote it down out of solidarity for one another.
Theyll have to last a while, because they wont see any change with bcd or neutral venue football.
You do realise if there is a vote, no one would be surprised if chelsea vote no?
They have everything to lose and nothing to gain from the league being continued vs. stopped and the CL being picked based on current standing.s
I don't see how you can change the rules 3/4 through the season.
In my opinion, abandon the league, give Liverpool a title with a star next to it, allow promotion but not relegation (extra relegation next season) and run a mini Premiership tournament in the summer, behind closed doors for the TV companies.
In my opinion, abandon the league, give Liverpool a title with a star next to it, allow promotion but not relegation (extra relegation next season) and run a mini Premiership tournament in the summer, behind closed doors for the TV companies.
I agree.
The only clubs likely to support a restart are those who stand to gain something from it such as United, Wolves, Sheffield, and the scousers.