Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

RobinLFC said:
I literally posted "this decision has little bearing on what the PL will do" a few posts above yours :rolleyes:

Good luck trying to take any "presidents" by the way.
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You're right, it won't have much bearing. Just as the Dutch decision not to award a title won't have much bearing either. Each league will decide based on their own circumstances.

Though it does underline the point that "it's unfair to name a champion who didn't actually win it" won't be a decisive argument in itself. Whatever the PL decide will be based on a pragmatic assessment of the practicalities of the situation. If it suits them to name champions (big if) then that's what they'll do, without being overly concerned about whether doing so is "fair". The same applies if it suits them not to have a champion.
 
RobinLFC said:
You were complaing about Liverpool fans quoting a Chelsea fan questioning the morality of Utd fans wanting a void.

I'll just leave you to it.
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If you leave all Man Utd fans to it, on their own forum that would be a bonus.

the lad I quoted is at least a closet pool supporter.
 
sullydnl said:
You're right, it won't have much bearing. Just as the Dutch decision not to award a title won't have much bearing either. Each league will decide based on their own circumstances.

Though it does underline the point that "it's unfair to name a champion who didn't actually win it" won't be a decisive argument in itself. Whatever the PL decide will be based on a pragmatic assessment of the practicalities of the situation. If it suits them to name champions (big if) then that's what they'll do, without being overly concerned about whether doing so is "fair". The same applies if it suits them not to have a champion.
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Agreed with all that, apart that I think it would be more unfair to not name PSG champions. It's the consequences of naming them champions (i.e. promotions, relegations, European spots) that make it difficult to take that decision though, especially with the Villa situation and stuff.
 
yumtum said:
Who's Sheffield United's second choice keeper? Massive advantage for us for fourth.
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It’s interesting - I’d expect some clubs to withdraw Henderson and call him back. I would t expect Utd to do so.

Added to that,if he’s a player we want to keep for the long term that would leave a very sour taste in his mouth.
 
yumtum said:
Who's Sheffield United's second choice keeper? Massive advantage for us for fourth.
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Dont think we'll call him back. Think we would give it a months extension or whatever to make it work IF its legally possible.

We arent pricks like that
 
Figgins said:
Sorry kid you're not kidding anyone with that story.. trying to hog the brownie with that... wow

What you're actually saying is this; you are happy that people will interact in a way that is completely divergent that every other activity the government has suggested. Since they are role models people will completely continue normal rules and ignore the close activity of their role models and the governments duality.

What is worse, you seam to be completely ignoring how rapidly this virus spreads, and all the evidence of a suppression strategy in support of a short-term "fix" . While ignoring issues of confidence should a new outbreak occur within those role models and to the broader populous.


At a personal level, i know its not easy, if you're finding news depressing, there are guide out there to help.
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I am ok with it if medical professionals clear it, not ok if it goes against medical advice. Carragher said the same thing.

It is interesting how people love to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Put things into perspective, if we ease retail lockdown, you would have people walking and standing next to each other, 100s of people every day, whilst a closed doors football match is 22 men on a large football pitch. From a risk perspective they light years apart, especially if before a game everyone is tested negative meaning people who are not infected cannot infect each other.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
I am ok with it if medical professionals clear it, not ok if it goes against medical advice. Carragher said the same thing.

It is interesting how people love to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Put things into perspective, if we ease retail lockdown, you would have people walking and standing next to each other, 100s of people every day, whilst a closed doors football match is 22 men on a large football pitch. From a risk perspective they light years apart, especially if before a game everyone is tested negative meaning people who are not infected cannot infect each other.
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Its more than just the players
 
arnie_ni said:
At least they are seeing it all through with relegation. That consistency is a must if champions are crowned so im ok with that.

But how does that work here when villa have a game in hand and are currently in the relegation spots?
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Thats the big headache for the PL. Not even whether Liverpool get the title or not.

Interestingly in France they have only announced that two Teams are relegated. Annually three teams get relegated with the 18th placed team from Ligue 1 going into a playoff format with the 3rd, 4th and 5th placed teams from Ligue 2.

Ligue 2 isnt so clear cut, There are 4 points between the top 5 with 10 games left so they still have a big decision to make there.
 
Some credible reports now that France is actually being decided on PPG (points per game).
 
Rooney24 said:
Thats the big headache for the PL. Not even whether Liverpool get the title or not.

Interestingly in France they have only announced that two Teams are relegated. Annually three teams get relegated with the 18th placed team from Ligue 1 going into a playoff format with the 3rd, 4th and 5th placed teams from Ligue 2.

Ligue 2 isnt so clear cut, There are 4 points between the top 5 with 10 games left so they still have a big decision to make there.
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Well, not possible to have play-offs so scrap them altogether and only promote the first two teams. Seems like the ony logical (or possible) outcome, and why there's only teams relegated.
 
arnie_ni said:
Its more than just the players
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the manager and coaches will already be with their squad during training sessions, in that respect a game doesnt make any difference.

so really the more than the players is just the officials and cameraman.

if you are saying you dont want any games played no matter what, regardless of medical approval, safety measures, then you just coming across as someone who just doesnt want games played to prevent a certain club from getting a title.

I would imagine if the season got voided and come sept you would suddenly be ok with games been played to get the new season going.
 
Fox_Chrys said:
the manager and coaches will already be with their squad during training sessions, in that respect a game doesnt make any difference.

so really the more than the players is just the officials and cameraman.

if you are saying you dont want any games played no matter what, regardless of medical approval, safety measures, then you just coming across as someone who just doesnt want games played to prevent a certain club from getting a title.

I would imagine if the season got voided and come sept you would suddenly be ok with games been played to get the new season going.
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Well you havent read any of my posts in here then and we'll leave it at that
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
It’s interesting - I’d expect some clubs to withdraw Henderson and call him back. I would t expect Utd to do so.

Added to that,if he’s a player we want to keep for the long term that would leave a very sour taste in his mouth.
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@arnie_ni I agree that we probably wouldn't want to, but if our plans were to get rid of Romero and Grant this summer to rotate De Gea and Henderson then we can't loan Henderson to Sheffield United for another year because it wouldn't be fair - individual clubs shouldn't be expected to scupper their transfer plans in order to apply fairness when the league isn't doing so.
 
yumtum said:
Who's Sheffield United's second choice keeper? Massive advantage for us for fourth.
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Small time. Beat them at OT when he's ineligible and that's Sheffield done in the battle for 4th. Besides they've still got Chelsea to play.
 
Samid said:
Small time. Beat them at OT when he's ineligible and that's Sheffield done in the battle for 4th. Besides they've still got Chelsea to play.
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Not really smalltime if hes our player. He just happens to play for Sheff United
 
yumtum said:
@arnie_ni I agree that we probably wouldn't want to, but if our plans were to get rid of Romero and Grant this summer to rotate De Gea and Henderson then we can't loan Henderson to Sheffield United for another year because it wouldn't be fair - individual clubs shouldn't be expected to scupper their transfer plans in order to apply fairness when the league isn't doing so.
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It wouldnt be for another year. It would be until this season is finished, either by playing the remaining games or the pl cancel the league in some format.

He would then revert back to us.

Again, if we legally can, i think we will let them have henderson to finish the season.
 
Leicester would've been relegated in 14/15 if this happened then. Just saying!

It's a 100m race, you dont decide the rankings on the 70m line. Just seems wrong to me. Either finish the games in a few months time or null the season.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Whether that actually happens or not, just shows how outlandish the predictions of no football for the next 12 months were. The big 4 are all preparing for restarting as soon as possible and finishing the season.
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The same goes for many other things, like "we're going to be in lockdown for at least the rest of 2020".

It's scary how much scare-mongering is knocking around during what is already a pretty scary time to be alive. So many people just gravitate towards the worst case scenario automatically, its really worrying to be honest.

On topic, that's probably a reasonable time-line. Early June, finish the season BCD then regroup and see how the land is lying for the summer window and 2020/21 season start. Bit of good news, that, if true. Not even because it's football, because conversations are happening behind closed doors to move the country forward.
 
Tarrou said:
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If the PL want it back, they shouldn't be using media to test the public mood.


Fox_Chrys said:
I am ok with it if medical professionals clear it, not ok if it goes against medical advice. Carragher said the same thing.

It is interesting how people love to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Put things into perspective, if we ease retail lockdown, you would have people walking and standing next to each other, 100s of people every day, whilst a closed doors football match is 22 men on a large football pitch. From a risk perspective they light years apart, especially if before a game everyone is tested negative meaning people who are not infected cannot infect each other.
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You mention a risk perspective; that perspective is limited by your own view that 22 men live in a vacuum, diagnosis is instantaneous and there is no association with public behaviour.

You're right, from a risk perspective; what 22 people do, the behavioural influence they have, their broader direct and indirect impact they have, the reliability of tests and diversion of NHS resources for a game is light years apart from human necessities, from a health perspective and a moral perspective.

Its quite interesting how some fans are so desparate for a game their arguments become vacuous.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
The same goes for many other things, like "we're going to be in lockdown for at least the rest of 2020".

It's scary how much scare-mongering is knocking around during what is already a pretty scary time to be alive. So many people just gravitate towards the worst case scenario automatically, its really worrying to be honest.

On topic, that's probably a reasonable time-line. Early June, finish the season BCD then regroup and see how the land is lying for the summer window and 2020/21 season start. Bit of good news, that, if true. Not even because it's football, because conversations are happening behind closed doors to move the country forward.
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People have been duped into believing that as much as opening your door means you're playing 50/50 Russian roulette.
 
Dancfc said:
People have been duped into believing that as much as opening your door means you're playing 50/50 Russian roulette.
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And it's been done in a terrifyingly quick and simple way, too. There'll be a few bad 'uns out there in world politics watching this situation and taking serious notes, we should all hope that none of these bad 'uns ever snake their way into power.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
And it's been done in a terrifyingly quick and simple way, too. There'll be a few bad 'uns out there in world politics watching this situation and taking serious notes, we should all hope that none of these bad 'uns ever snake their way into power.
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I can already picture the "yes Kim, three bags full Kim" *shudder*
 
arnie_ni said:
Dont think we'll call him back. Think we would give it a months extension or whatever to make it work IF its legally possible.

We arent pricks like that
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Ferguson did bring back our on-loan players from Preston North End when his son was sacked there, so we can be.

I don't think we would do that with Henderson though.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I don’t get this easy target excuse. Football has been a self absorbed greed machine for 20+ years.

Unfortunately its because there are so many parties involved - and the vast majority are purely looking out for their own interests and have no concept of the bigger picture.

Liverpool and spurs tone deaf behaviour over furloughing staff is one of many examples that have a negative effect on the whole game.

idiots like Kean and Walker have a negative effect on the game - it promulgated the notion that we are not all in this together. Normal people are, but if you are a footballer or Jose then you can do whatever you like.
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You could apply this to those working in so many ‘self absorbed greed machine’ businesses. Bankers, politicians, actors, musicians, etc. @Dancfc is correct. Football throughout this whole corona virus has become the ‘target’.
 
Terminator said:
Leicester would've been relegated in 14/15 if this happened then. Just saying!

It's a 100m race, you dont decide the rankings on the 70m line.
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Two very good points, particularly the one about finalising standings based on everyone’s efforts over the first 76m (let’s be precise here to appease the Scousers ;)). “You ran the first 76m at 10.09m/s, therefore, you are going to run the final 24m also at 10.09m/s.”

It’s absolute baloney and besmirches the whole competition.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Whether that actually happens or not, just shows how outlandish the predictions of no football for the next 12 months were. The big 4 are all preparing for restarting as soon as possible and finishing the season.
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To be honest what's outlandish is anyone predicting dates for football to restart. If 700 odd people are still dying everyday in the UK then football won't be back and rightly so .
 
Anderson, Liverpool's first directly elected mayor, told BBC Sport: "Even if it was behind closed doors, there'd be many thousands of people who would turn up outside Anfield.

Anderson added: "I think the best thing to do is to actually end the season.

"It isn't just about Liverpool - they've clearly won the league - they deserve it, they should be crowned league champions.
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Samid said:
It's small time to be making a point out of it being a 'massive advantage for us for fourth'.
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It's the truth, I'm making a point that a team gets a massive advantage having a competitor lose one of their most important player? Are you suggesting it wouldn't be a massive advantage?

@arnie_ni that would mean the league changing its rules regarding loans? One thing I will say is that I don't envy the top jobs in football at the moment, anything they do will piss off thousands of people.
 
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