Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

villain said:
This is a point which is being overlooked in any discussion about awarding titles, promotion & relegation.

Any decision made upon the completion of the season is going to set a precedent that will be used in the future, because while we have no way of controlling this virus - it's likely that we'll be hit with a second wave in the winter.
Do we then cancel the season and award champions, promotions & relegated teams based on 40% of games being played? No.
Do we suddenly make a completely different decision on how to end it, even though we're curtailing the season for the same reason as before? Also no.

Simply ending the season as is, is the best decision.
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Yep it seems like the only consistent approach that could be applied to any season affected in the way this season has been affected.


villain said:
European places are the only unknown at that point, but that's because there's a hope that there will be European football next season, I think the penny will drop on that in the coming weeks too.
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Yeah i personally doubt that Euro football will be possible next season, not just from a virus/travel point of view. But the sheer logistics of it, they are talking about finishing this seasons competitions in August, but by that stage the qualifiers for next seasons CL& EL will have been scheduled to be played for around 6 weeks before that. And a lot of or most of the teams that are supposed to be participating in those qualifiers won't have even been decided yet and/or are still competing in this seasons competitions.
 
Klopper76 said:
Even if it is null and voided at this point, it doesn't eradicate the issue. What if Covid-19 is still a problem in August, September, October. What if it goes away then comes back mid way through another season? Do we null and void again?

Does make you wonder if we'll see Premier League football again in 2020. We probably will but it'll be completely different to any other season.
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It's just probabilities I guess. Perhaps they see it as lower probability to have a problem later down the line compared to today.
 
VP89 said:
It's just probabilities I guess. Perhaps they see it as lower probability to have a problem later down the line compared to today.
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Could work out if there's a downward trend. I mean eventually the economy of everywhere needs to start up again.
 
Klopper76 said:
Even if it is null and voided at this point, it doesn't eradicate the issue. What if Covid-19 is still a problem in August, September, October. What if it goes away then comes back mid way through another season? Do we null and void again?

Does make you wonder if we'll see Premier League football again in 2020. We probably will but it'll be completely different to any other season.
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Here is the real rub, say we halt the league and give Liverpool the title. Next season we start up and close down by December with half the games played and United are top by one point. Are you ok with us being awarded the league, what if its 17 games, or 10? What would the cutoff need to be? Thats why they will not announce the league won this way imo, and it will be done as a vote if anything.
 
Strange for a PM to be involved in sporting decisions of other countries. :confused:
 
Redcy said:
Here is the real rub, say we halt the league and give Liverpool the title. Next season we start up and close down by December with half the games played and United are top by one point. Are you ok with us being awarded the league, what if its 17 games, or 10? What would the cutoff need to be? Thats why they will not announce the league won this way imo, and it will be done as a vote if anything.
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I don't think we should be awarded it if it's halted where it's at now. It's not mathematically done so wouldn't be an actual title 'win'.
 
Important day for German football tomorrow when the Chancellor meets with the Minister Presidents of the 16 states to discuss the proposed restart of Bundesliga 1 and 2. The Ministry of Labour as well as the Ministers for Sport of all federal states have already approved the league's plan to continue in May. Also tomorrow, comprehensive testing of all players in the two top divisions will begin. More than 400,000 available Corona tests went unused in German labs last week which helps the league's case as only 22,500 are needed for players and staff on each matchday. They will also have been boosted by the news that the virus reproduction rate has fallen to 0.75. Controversy remains around how to proceed in case a player tests positive.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Important day for German football tomorrow when the Chancellor meets with the Minister Presidents of the 16 states to discuss the proposed restart of Bundesliga 1 and 2. The Ministry of Labour as well as the Ministers for Sport of all federal states have already approved the league's plan to continue in May. Also tomorrow, comprehensive testing of all players in the two top divisions will begin. More than 400,000 available Corona tests went unused in German labs last week which helps the league's case as only 22,500 are needed for players and staff on each matchday. They will also have been boosted by the news that the virus reproduction rate has fallen to 0.75. Controversy remains around how to proceed in case a player tests positive.
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The rate has gone back up to 1 with the lifting of restrictions.

On Tuesday, the German government’s disease control agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), announced the reproduction number for Monday 27 April had risen to 1, after having put it as low as 0.7 in mid-April.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-stay-home-amid-covid-19-infection-rate-fears
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Important day for German football tomorrow when the Chancellor meets with the Minister Presidents of the 16 states to discuss the proposed restart of Bundesliga 1 and 2. The Ministry of Labour as well as the Ministers for Sport of all federal states have already approved the league's plan to continue in May. Also tomorrow, comprehensive testing of all players in the two top divisions will begin. More than 400,000 available Corona tests went unused in German labs last week which helps the league's case as only 22,500 are needed for players and staff on each matchday. They will also have been boosted by the news that the virus reproduction rate has fallen to 0.75. Controversy remains around how to proceed in case a player tests positive.
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Rates gone back up. That's old news. Today they are considered tightening the lock down again.
 
TheReligion said:
Rates gone back up. That's old news. Today they are considered tightening the lock down again.
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I don't know where you got this from but a tightening of the lock down is not being discussed. Quite the opposite. And the reproduction rate is 0.75 as of tonight.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
I don't know where you got this from but a tightening of the lock down is not being discussed. Quite the opposite. And the reproduction rate is 0.75 as of tonight.
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On Tuesday, the German government’s disease control agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), announced the reproduction number for Monday 27 April had risen to 1, after having put it as low as 0.7 in mid-April.
 
90 + 5min said:
Playing football and social distancing doesn’t really go together.

And where do we stop? Will transport communication be ok? Schools? Clubs? Bars? Stores?

Football players are no different to other people in terms of rules. Should The FA or politicians try to start something then regular people will ask why should we be treated differently to players? Soon they would need to open up society. Are England ready for that? In my opinion, No.
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Most of those above will be coming back in June anyway (not saying football should btw).

Ultimately it's how you adapt. More carriages on trains, more work from home, more staggered start times if you have to go into the office or workplace every day still will help ease the load on public transport at peak times so social distancing can be given a chance to work.

Contary to popular belief not every single bar or restuarant in a town/city centre is rammed to capacity for 12 hours a day. Many times I've gone into a pub in Birmingham/Nottingham at lunchtime and been in a seating area of about sixty with only 5-6 other people in the pub (2-3pm). I was in a pub in Nottingham that was actually doing table service 12 months ago for some reason so that will have to be commonplace next 12 months for those that can do it.

So again going to have to be different times and also a change of culture/restrictions around binge drinking and bar hopping on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday evenings which are the main congested nights in bars.

Schools with reduced class sizes probably back sometime in June just to give some structure back although the report yesterday of young children getting ill of course needs to be monitored.

Only things football can really do is BCD and isolate/test the players but of course that can only happen when it's safe and also socially acceptable to do so. That point could well be when it's past a practical point to restart the season and all other euro leagues have already voided and planning for 20/21.
 
If we assume international/CL football will be off the table longer than domestic football, there is probably an argument to say that you don’t really need to care about deciding on the CL/Europa spots this year.

Almost ironically, that could help the clubs that have been missing out on CL spots to attract their transfer targets
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
My prediction is that we won't have any football any time soon . Maybe 4-6 months from now but doubt anything happens before that
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You could well be right.

It's still three and a bit months to middle of August so four months wouldn't really cost too much of next season. 5 + months is an issue though.

Interested in people's thoughts in how 20/21 season should proceed if it's a six month delay. Get rid of the cups? Europe? Slightly smaller league season?

Little chance we're fitting in even a 50 game season if league dosen't start up until mid October.
 
Zexstream said:
On Tuesday, the German government’s disease control agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), announced the reproduction number for Monday 27 April had risen to 1, after having put it as low as 0.7 in mid-April.
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Today is Wednesday and the reproduction rate is 0.75.
 
FootballHQ said:
Most of those above will be coming back in June anyway (not saying football should btw).

Ultimately it's how you adapt. More carriages on trains, more work from home, more staggered start times if you have to go into the office or workplace every day still will help ease the load on public transport at peak times so social distancing can be given a chance to work.

Contary to popular belief not every single bar or restuarant in a town/city centre is rammed to capacity for 12 hours a day. Many times I've gone into a pub in Birmingham/Nottingham at lunchtime and been in a seating area of about sixty with only 5-6 other people in the pub (2-3pm). I was in a pub in Nottingham that was actually doing table service 12 months ago for some reason so that will have to be commonplace next 12 months for those that can do it.

So again going to have to be different times and also a change of culture/restrictions around binge drinking and bar hopping on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday evenings which are the main congested nights in bars.

Schools with reduced class sizes probably back sometime in June just to give some structure back although the report yesterday of young children getting ill of course needs to be monitored.

Only things football can really do is BCD and isolate/test the players but of course that can only happen when it's safe and also socially acceptable to do so. That point could well be when it's past a practical point to restart the season and all other euro leagues have already voided and planning for 20/21.
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Well, lets hope that it will come back but looking at numbers I don’t know if we can expect that without risking lifes. Without risking new wave of infections.

You are right that we will have to adapt. But there will always be a question of how. It is easy saying this and that but that is only words.

When it comes to football I believe the best options is to stop the season. The quicker the better so the clubs can plan for future. Now we are just walking in desert without a compass. So. You stop the league and try to figure out what to do with this season and standings. At least you have taken first step.
 
Meep said:
Well, it shouldn't be up to the players. It should be up to experts on the subject. I guess they are also looking on losing their vacations ..
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Doubt anyone will be taking a vacation abroad anytime soon without going through quarantine both ends of the trip.

Unless they want to go to Blackpool of course!

They've got enough money, why take the risk to your health to be rushed back playing too soon, getting sick and potentially ruining their career if lungs effected or worst case scenario ending in the morgue! I think it's perfectly understandable, they're not slaves and perfectly entitled to say they don't want to play in current conditions.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
And this is old news. They've corrected it to 0.75.
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It seems you are correct. It did rise to 1 but has since dropped back to 0.75.

According to Imperial College, the UK number is currently 0.7. However, it seems it doesn't take much to send it higher.

To keep it below 1 will probably mean more weeks of what we are doing now.
 
Klopper76 said:
I don't think we should be awarded it if it's halted where it's at now. It's not mathematically done so wouldn't be an actual title 'win'.
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You must be the only Liverpool fan in the world saying this.
 
Is it likely any other sports will be restarting ? Cricket, tennis, snooker, darts, rugby or motorsports or is it only football that is set for BCD?
 
Zexstream said:
The rate has gone back up to 1 with the lifting of restrictions.

On Tuesday, the German government’s disease control agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), announced the reproduction number for Monday 27 April had risen to 1, after having put it as low as 0.7 in mid-April.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-stay-home-amid-covid-19-infection-rate-fears
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And it has made zero difference at all to their approach to leaving lockdown. It's an observation and people are still being told to use social distancing as much as possible, exactly the same as when they lifted the restrictions.

Is there a single thread on this forum that you don't infiltrate with your scare-mongering? We get it - you are very scared of what happens when lockdown ends. It's understandable. But it's also inevitable, it's coming sooner rather than later, be prepared.
 
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