No point in testing anyone then. I don’t see how interacting with people who have been tested is safer than encountering thousands of untested is but I’ll bow to your clearly superior scientific knowledge.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Voiding meaning none of the results or goals count? So if Sergiño Dest scores for them in September it will be his first goal for Ajax despite him scoring two this season?
Neither is classified as "safe" but one is an essential industry which can bring in controls of social distancing and the other isn't, and can't.
Ah but you would still count it as number 19 though right? Stop saying things you think people want to hear. We all know you are desperate for the title and don't give a shit about the circumstances. If it feels that hollow then I say Liverpool should have the title and hand it back!
Except you don’t actually know how I feel about anything, do you?
But how is one corporate manslaughter and the other isn’t?
cancelling the league seems kinda inevitable now
the only thing left to figure out is how to deal with the league placings and wotnot
the fairest option for all is not to award a title, and we get UCL
the only thing left to figure out is how to deal with the league placings and wotnot
the fairest option for all is not to award a title, and we get UCL
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The Dutch have done it, now the French League. Just cancel all the leagues now and concentrate on next season.
You implied that wanting the leagues called as they are or wanting a PPG basis is somehow unfair and null and void is the only fair way as every team is treated equally. Teams are treated equally in the first two options too. It's literally the exact same logic.
As for 2nd bold part, I agree with that and personally have never clamoured for that. I said earlier in this thread that the weak "halfway approach" the Dutch are apparently going for is the worst of the lot. The idea that you can scrap relegation and championships but still reward certain teams in the European spots is a terrible one.
I would generally agree if not for the pandemic wreaking havoc and making the actual playing of games unfeasible.
[QUOTE="djembatheking, post: 2552.] still not convinced they wouldn`t have bottled it. A few weeks before it was stopped we had Carra trying to tell Roy Keane it was the greatest English team ever and Keano just said , well lets see what you win by the end of the season . This was followed by the greatest team of all time getting beaten twice by a fairly average Atletico doing a job on them , Chelsea beating them and Watford twatting them easily , they were a team in serious trouble at that point , definitely saved by the bell.
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Liverpool have dropped 5 points all season, the only team that can catch them have dropped 6 from the last 12 available.
If it were a boxing match it would have been called ages ago.
if Man City were in good form, you might have some sort of point but they haven't won more than 3 league games in a row all season.
The league is a formality for Liverpool.
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Liverpool have dropped 5 points all season, the only team that can catch them have dropped 6 from the last 12 available.
If it were a boxing match it would have been called ages ago.
if Man City were in good form, you might have some sort of point but they haven't won more than 3 league games in a row all season.
The league is a formality for Liverpool.
Credit to the French government for having the sack meat to cancel Ligue 1, should be the domino effect for the other big leagues.
Liverpool have dropped 5 points all season, the only team that can catch them have dropped 6 from the last 12 available.
If it were a boxing match it would have been called ages ago.
if Man City were in good form, you might have some sort of point but they haven't won more than 3 league games in a row all season.
The league is a formality for Liverpool.
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Then you guys should have no problem next season.
No I said gifting teams titles means you in turn have to reward those in other divisions including promotion and play offs. The knock on effect is you then need to look at relegation and so on.
It's unfair to do one without the other. Surely that's obvious?
I also think it creates too many issues trying to do the above hence me saying the only way to ensure its a level playing field is to do what the Dutch have.
It would be curious to see what would happen if you couldn't restart the next season in August. The whole point of voiding this season would be to start fresh next year but if the new season can be started until say after january would you just finish this season and start Fresh summer 2021?
Might be a bit ridiculous idea but if the league is voided, they could give Liverpool 1 point lead next season to compensate for it. Making them first at the start of the season with 0 match being played. What happens next will be up to them 
Better than starting all over again with 0 point, right?
Better than starting all over again with 0 point, right?
Might be a bit ridiculous idea but if the league is voided, they could give Liverpool 1 point lead next season to compensate for it. Making them first at the start of the season with 0 match being played. What happens next will be up to them
Better than starting all over again with 0 point, right?
I for one am certain that no Liverpool fan would object to losing a title and instead get a ONE point head start next year
Might be a bit ridiculous idea but if the league is voided, they could give Liverpool 1 point lead next season to compensate for it. Making them first at the start of the season with 0 match being played. What happens next will be up to them
Better than starting all over again with 0 point, right?
Just rename the club AaaaLiverpool - much easier, the first league table is in alphabetical order. It would be give them a permanent reminder of when they called themselves the best team in the world and didn’t win a thing
UEFA have also implemented guidelines - which can be interpreted differently by each league - as to how, if need-be, the leagues should be finished if it's not possible to complete this season. So just because the Dutch league have gone down a certain route, it doesn't mean the top European leagues will follow.
I've no doubt that FIFA's medical guy is a clever bloke, but he too has put something of a deadline/tentative date based on the unknown. We keep hearing on here people saying 'you can't do this because of that', or 'you can't do that because of this', or 'football still isn't safe even when played behind closed doors' blah, blah, blah. So if it's that serious & people's lives are at risk then surely the best option is to draw a line under football as it stands, not set any deadlines, & return only when it's totally safe to do so. This 'let's start afresh in August/September' is even more ridiculous than putting football on ice until we've found a way to play football again with crowds in attendance & with everyone - players & fans alike - not being worried for their own safety.
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There's another angle that people have missed too. If they get played behind closed doors it's inevitable Liverpool fans will flood the streets outside anfield on that big day. They may say they won't now but they won't be able to stop themselves. Waited 30 years and they are all going to stop at home to celebrate?
Can't see it. It's got disaster written all over it.
Can't see it. It's got disaster written all over it.
OMG you do know that it percentage of points. Please do explain what predictive properties your method has
I’ll use the naive forecast total points for the year for Liverpool is.. drum roll.... 82 from 38 matches
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I think the only two realistic options are either find a way to complete the season or declare it null and void, otherwise it's going to be massively unfair to decide relegation and European spots based on the current table. Liverpool being named champions isn't an issue because they could put out a reserve team with only 9 men for the rest of their fixtures and easily win the league. But there are clubs, including us, who have had a more difficult fixture list than others so far, the only fair way to decide it is by doing it when everyone has played the same fixtures, that can only happen after 38 games, otherwise it should be declared void.
True, that is going to take time. Talking about restarting a competition like the PL it would be enough to have the working staff immunized and you have virtually complete safety for the competition behind closed doors. Seeing how the majority of labs capable of producing vaccines are in Europe and USA, it might not sound very nice, but governments are going to prioritize their own population before exports so it shouldn't take to much time to get a decent percentage of the population immunized; even just 20-30% is a very good nr. imo especially for those at higher risk (the old, sick, etc).
But that's my point, it's never going to be totally safe. The scientists are now saying that this virus will return just like seasonal flu. So what happens in a 6 months time when we've started a new season, without finishing this one, & people start to get infected again in their thousands. Do we simply cancel that season & start yet again ?
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/04/...ack-every-year-like-the-flu-war/?ncid=webmail
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...er-junior-sambia-artificial-coma-coronavirus/
Sorry if already posted, but Montpellier player Junior Samba has been put in a coma after testing positive for coronavirus.
Sorry if already posted, but Montpellier player Junior Samba has been put in a coma after testing positive for coronavirus.
Well the virus isn't going away any time soon. If we use PPG to settle this season it sets the precedent. What if we then start the new season and it hits harder next year in october and the season has to be suspended again and can’t be completed.
Do we then just work out who would win the league and get relegated by simming 75% of the season next time.
No of all the solutions bandied about it’s arguably the worst. Footballs winners and losers should be decided on the pitch or not at all.
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I suppose the argument to that would be that we never saw this virus coming in relation to this season. We pretty much now know the chances are there'll be further outbreaks, so contingency plans, new rulings etc, can be set in place. As it stands, there's nothing except opinion as to how we should complete this season.
He’s out of the coma since, apparently.
Still, it’s an absolute nightmare for the footballing authorities because if one player becomes infected when football resumes, the whole club goes into self-isolation for two weeks and so does each club they’ve played in the previous two weeks. How on earth do they think it’s actually going to work? And that’s not even taken into account that players and staff involved have to live like prisoners, for want of a better word, for the duration of the time it takes to fulfil these fixtures as only one infection jeopardises the whole operation.
It’s absolutely absurd.
Well, the French League hasn't done anything yet, they still have to make their decision on how to end the league.
It seems there are at least two models. Use the Scottish/Belgium model by cancelling games but declaring a winner OR Dutch model by cancelling with no winners.
Because Liverpool are so far ahead I think the league will give it to us, just like Scotland and Belgium, if it was closer then I think it wouldn't happen, that my biased and not so biased opinion.
Coronavirus and football: Fifa medical chair does not want restart this season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52462233
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52462233
If the season can't be resumed then it's 100 times fairer to decide European spots on the current table than last season's table.
Sends out all the wrong messages if Spurs and especially Arsenal are rewarded for their horror season's with CL football.
Relegation is a completely different kettle of fish mind.
My son's works as a HGV driver for Asda, so he's classed as a key worker & is expected to go to work. His workmate, & good friend, Chris, worked in the Asda warehouse picking orders for Asda stores in the north west. Sadly, the lad died last week from Covid-19 after being in a coma himself for a few days. He was just 44 years old, & left a wife & a 9 year old son behind. It really brings it home when someone you know dies from this virus. It's right on everyone's doorstep. That's why, for me, football needs to be binned off indefinately. It's really not that important.
Liverpool have dropped 5 points all season, the only team that can catch them have dropped 6 from the last 12 available.
If it were a boxing match it would have been called ages ago.
if Man City were in good form, you might have some sort of point but they haven't won more than 3 league games in a row all season.
The league is a formality for Liverpool.
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It Will be easy to win your 19th League next Season then.
That just goes to show how silly is to even think of starting a sporting competition even behind closed doors before a vaccine is available (or at least very good treatment methods).
The Dutch and the French had to balls to decide to stop everything this season.
The Italians are not so sure - saying it will start and then last night the Italian chief medical officer is saying it will be difficult to play on.
Leagues in all of Europe should be stopped by UEFA now before the virus will kill any players and other people connected to organising any football match.
The Italians are not so sure - saying it will start and then last night the Italian chief medical officer is saying it will be difficult to play on.
Leagues in all of Europe should be stopped by UEFA now before the virus will kill any players and other people connected to organising any football match.
I agree 200%.
Regarding the "the French have cancelled the league so the PL should follow suit" point, key is the fact that France banned all sporting events until September where the UK haven't. The argument is being made that cancelling the league has to be government-led, else the PL leaves itself open to potential liabilities for cancelling the league before it was actually necessary to do so. It is more difficult for them to act when the UK government's position is that it could potentially still go ahead.
This is precisely the problem with the ridiculous notion of playing BCD and insisting that football will ‘boost morale’ - this disease is not a joke, resuming football now will risk lives.
Footballers are healthy, but some still have underlying health problems especially relating to their respiratory system &/or heart. If 1 player or manager gets infected we’re drawn to a halt.
On top of that what happens if a cleaner, or chef, or groundskeeper catches the virus as a result of being forced to work and passes away? Can their families claim corporate manslaughter?
That’s before you get into the fact that in this country there’s been a lack of testing & PPE for frontline workers, plus there’s a delay between test & result and you can test negative but still carry the disease.
It’s reckless, unnecessary & stinks of greed.
The FA need to focus on finding a way to support the clubs in lower leagues who depend on gate receipts to survive - not trying to force BCD games.
This season is done, European football next season is likely to be done too.
Surely Boris wouldn't use this to his advantage would he ? UK now has the worst record of all the European countries in relation to Covid-19 deaths. What could he possibly do to try & deflect the attention away from his bumbling government's handling of the country's biggest crisis since WW2 ?
That is appalling, mate. When it’s brought so close to home like that, everything gets put into perspective, and pretty sharpish, too. That’s much too young to be departing the world and leaving such a young family behind is absolutely heartbreaking.
This season should be completed/concluded before any subsequent season starts, for me. I think that needs to be the priority. Starting next season instead, only for that to also be curtailed when the traditional flu season kicks off again in autumn/winter, would be crazy. Suddenly you have two unfinished seasons and a myriad of problems. I don’t envy the authorities - football or otherwise - during this pandemic but health and safety of the citizenry needs to be the number one concern right now and resuming sports and entertainment a long way down the list of importance.