Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

Megadrive Man said:
100% Spanish flue lasted for almost 3 years, so if this pandemic were to go on for a similar length of time without any football being played then obviously we would have to start again from scratch, the world would obviously be a very different place in that scenario.

I'm struggling to find the logic behind starting a potentially a 60 plus game season over trying to finish a 9 to 18 game season though?
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Well the logic, is that seasons work to a calendar schedule.

They usually start and finish to a certain framework.

If we can't finish this one within such a framework then time moves on to the next one.

The problem, is that almost all points of pro and con have similar arguments why they're a problem. Basically the last 3 weeks of debate on here.
 
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Bulldog United said:
Yes I think the hundreds of thousands figure is derived from around 70% of the UK population being infected. You also have to keep in mind though, if a large portion of the country starts getting infected quickly, the health service will not be able to cope. The mortality rate will likely increase in this scenario. In Iran the mortality rate is running at 5% because of the lack of access to good health care.

I'm not saying it's a likely outcome, I'm saying it could happen. The government has to plan for all eventualities, as do the medical experts. They have said it's plausible that 70% of country could get infected, but not likely.
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In Italy it looks like a 10% mortality rate
 
Megadrive Man said:
I'm struggling to find the logic behind starting a potentially a 60 plus game season over trying to finish a 9 to 18 game season though?
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Well, that is pretty simple. At some point contracts expire and teams will not be the same. That undermines the integrity of the competition..
 
Figgins said:
Well, that is pretty simple. At some point contracts expire and teams will not be the same. That undermines the integrity of the competition..
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This is a good example of my point above.
Lack of integrity could be argued for both cancelling this season or eating into next year.
 
Megadrive Man said:
100% Spanish flue lasted for almost 3 years, so if this pandemic were to go on for a similar length of time without any football being played then obviously we would have to start again from scratch, the world would obviously be a very different place in that scenario.

I'm struggling to find the logic behind starting a potentially a 60 plus game season over trying to finish a 9 to 18 game season though?
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There is much more sense in starting a new season from scratch than trying to somehow finish this mess of a season.
 
Figgins said:
Well, that is pretty simple. At some point contracts expire and teams will not be the same. That undermines the integrity of the competition..
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That happens on 1st July which is the bit none of the “we must finish the season” brigade can seem to grasp. The moment one team loses a player due to end of contract then the integrity is gone...prime example is us having the ability to recall Sheff United's goalkeeper who has been outstanding for them.
 
If me aunt had balls she'd be me uncle.

Fact is nobody knows.

I'm willing to bet that there won't be a competitive ball kicked before August.

What that competition will be I have no idea.
 
TheLord said:
Wimbledon scheduled for July has been cancelled. That speaks for itself.
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Only thing I'd say to that is Wimbledon and Tennis in general has much more international audience so ordinarily you'd have fans jetting in from all parts of the world which is a huge risk in the current climate. Wimbledon aswell weren't interested in playing BCD either or shifting the date to August.
 
While Wimbledon itself as a one off is quite different to continued football, the key point is that events as far ahead as late June/early July are being binned.
 
As with all things in life people need to follow the money to see how things will go. At this moment in time, the leagues/FA/UEFA are praying that they can salvage the money that they are due for this season in some shape or form. This is why they keep coming up with these nonsense statements about desire from all to complete the season but giving no real insight. That is the reason why they are still holding off on making a decision whilst events like the Olympics/Wimbledon/French Open etc have been cancelled.

When we reach the point in which saving this season will cost more money than voiding it and going to straight to next season is when they will finally pull the trigger. The only real question is when is the point of no return?
 
Sandikan said:
Is there a point in the future, where you would consider it too late to finish 19-20?
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Probably January.

In fairness you could play out this season in much more sedate style e.g. premier league and FA cup fixtures every weekend up to April and then finish off the european games every week up to mid April. Nice slow pace rather than cramming everything in within six weeks.

Who knows how bad the winter will be. Hopefully not but what is certain is people will start catching normal flu and they'll be panic from that from loads in large groups regardless of where we are with Covid 19.

Out of interest, what would people prefer of two options....starting a new season in August/September but having to play BCD for first 5/6 months or waiting until January/February and playing with much larger crowds (factoring in a reasonable timescale for vaccine or at least cases to really drop).

Interested why people are ruling out season in July because of Wimbledon being called off and then expecting a new full season from August (I assume in normal conditions). It's only one month difference.
 
Ciro said:
That literally makes no sense. Clubs will only gain revenue when football starts again no matter how long it takes so please explain to me why it's makes no sense to finish off this season so clubs can get their prize money? Why are you in such a rush to void this season in order to start the next one, when no one knows when it can start or whether we will be able to finish it, if as predicted, we get a 2nd wave? Like I said before football can wait and should wait as there are more pressing concerns.
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It does if you read my post and realize what i'm trying to say.

I have already explained to another poster. If they it drag out and wait too long in their effort to salvage this season. Then at some point if they wait too long there will not be enough time to finish this season and play out the entirety of the next one before Euro 2021. So thinking about it objectively if you were the chairman of an EFL club (and not a Liverpool fan) and playing out the remaining 9 games of this season were putting the potential gate receipts of an entire 50-60 game season at risk (which many of those clubs need to survive).

Would you prefer that this season was forgot about and all plans were working towards ensuring a full season could be played next year or put all those games at risk for the gate receipts from 9 games?

This season doesn't need to be completed for prize money to be handed out. The majority of the games have been played so the broadcasters will have to pay for the majority or even all of the money they agreed to the PL/EFL. Who will then distribute it between all the clubs in a way that all those clubs vote on and agree to.

Why are you in such a rush to void this season in order to start the next one,
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I haven't actually said that in the post you replied to or any of my other posts. When speaking about my own personal preference it's the opposite in fact.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
What about this?

All leagues null and void, restart from scratch in August-October.
CL and EL competitions continue at the start of 2021 from where they left off.
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I think this could be a real possibility at this stage. I don't think there will be any new European competitions next season. But if things are looking good at the start of 2021 then the remainder of this years CL/EL could be completed.
 
Analysis from Bryan Swanson, Sky guy on today's Uefa meeting.


UEFA's decision to postpone all national team matches in June was a formality.

Footballers cannot play games during an international crisis, and the coronavirus pandemic has not yet peaked throughout Europe.

The video conference call lasted nearly two-and-a-half hours, an hour longer than scheduled, but there was unity across all 55 member associations.

It is remarkable how together the football community is at the moment," said an official who was on the call.

Tellingly, not one association raised the issue of cancelling the season.

European football wants to finish the current season, even if there is a growing acceptance that the preferred deadline of June 30 is likely to be further delayed.

Various scenarios were discussed, including turning international fixtures into three-game slots, rather than the current two-game windows.

UEFA associations also discussed the feasibility of scheduling European matches - in the Champions League and Europa League - on similar dates to domestic games.

They are working towards anything which reduces the prospect of having to drop games.

Europe's associations will meet again later this month.

Their priority remains finishing the current season before considering when to start the next.

But only when it is safe to do so.
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Surprised Italy and Spain weren't pushing to end seasons. Ultimately if that really was the vibe in the meeting then that's why premier league won't be voiding the season anytime soon.
 
Phurry said:
That happens on 1st July which is the bit none of the “we must finish the season” brigade can seem to grasp. The moment one team loses a player due to end of contract then the integrity is gone...prime example is us having the ability to recall Sheff United's goalkeeper who has been outstanding for them.
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Excellent point and something I've never even thought about before
 
FootballHQ said:
Analysis from Bryan Swanson, Sky guy on today's Uefa meeting.




Surprised Italy and Spain weren't pushing to end seasons. Ultimately if that really was the vibe in the meeting then that's why premier league won't be voiding the season anytime soon.
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They're still in the phase of giving it every chance of finishing for now.

You dare say when it hasn't started two months from today that the mood will change.
 
Sandikan said:
They're still in the phase of giving it every chance of finishing for now.

You dare say when it hasn't started two months from today that the mood will change.
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Yeah I agree. Going into June and still being months away from any realistic chance of starting up and it's a much easier decision to cancel.

Just disagreeing it should be void this moment.
 
Phurry said:
That happens on 1st July which is the bit none of the “we must finish the season” brigade can seem to grasp. The moment one team loses a player due to end of contract then the integrity is gone...prime example is us having the ability to recall Sheffield United's goalkeeper who has been outstanding for them.
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If United decide to end a season long loan before the end of the season, they will be the ones lacking in Integrity. Would you not be embarrassed If United thought that the only way they could finish above Sheffield United was by taking their goalkeeper off them? Opposition fans will have a field day if you do that!

In the result of any extension then I'm sure some rule will come in stopping teams from doing things like this anyway, plus Henderson is the exception. How many teams have players close to being out of contract or on loan playing regularly for them? This will be a bigger issue for clubs lower down the football league though I'd imagine, which is why some rules around contracts would need to be amended.

As of right now there is no perfect solution and it may take a very long time before we can expect to see things completely back to normal. Do people honestly think that the 20/21 League and European competitions will all get back to normal in the result of a void season?
 
FootballHQ said:
Yeah I agree. Going into June and still being months away from any realistic chance of starting up and it's a much easier decision to cancel.

Just disagreeing it should be void this moment.
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It's looking increasingly likely to be canceled, which is a shame as our young team was just beginning to show what they're capable not to mention being robbed of a potential cup double and CL qualification.

For Liverpool to not be crowned champions after the season they've had would be a travesty of justice too :(

We'll reach a point before long where the only real concern is for the go-ahead of next season.
 
Megadrive Man said:
If United decide to end a season long loan before the end of the season, they will be the ones lacking in Integrity. Would you not be embarrassed If United thought that the only way they could finish above Sheffield United was by taking their goalkeeper off them? Opposition fans will have a field day if you do that!

In the result of any extension then I'm sure some rule will come in stopping teams from doing things like this anyway, plus Henderson is the exception. How many teams have players close to being out of contract or on loan playing regularly for them? This will be a bigger issue for clubs lower down the football league though I'd imagine, which is why some rules around contracts would need to be amended.

As of right now there is no perfect solution and it may take a very long time before we can expect to see things completely back to normal. Do people honestly think that the 20/21 League and European competitions will all get back to normal in the result of a void season?
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No.
 
Figgins said:
Well, that is pretty simple. At some point contracts expire and teams will not be the same. That undermines the integrity of the competition..
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The general secretary of FIFPRO, Jonas Baer-Hoffmann:

“Our preference would be that we have as harmonised a solution on the contract extensions as possible.”
“You could very much argue that the spirit of the contract is that it runs until the season is over and a new contract starts with a new season.”

https://www.transfermarkt.com/fifpr...o-harmonised-solution-rdquo-/view/news/357933
 
The one thing that makes me think that they will force this season to finish one way or another is that the powers that be won't want to lose TV revenue which is a real possibility if the season is cancelled.

I'm still hanging on to the idea that they will void the season and make the scousers cry.
 
Wibble said:
The one thing that makes me think that they will force this season to finish one way or another is that the powers that be won't want to lose TV revenue which is a real possibility if the season is cancelled.

I'm still hanging on to the idea that they will void the season and make the scousers cry.
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I dont hope it anymore mate, its gonna happen. People thinking this shit will be over by end of may are kidding themselves. This is going to be 4-5 months of how it currently is. We'll be lucky to start next season on time...
 
Megadrive Man said:
If United decide to end a season long loan before the end of the season, they will be the ones lacking in Integrity. Would you not be embarrassed If United thought that the only way they could finish above Sheffield United was by taking their goalkeeper off them? Opposition fans will have a field day if you do that!
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Loan deals are contracts and contracts are always 1-2-3-4-5 years not seasons long for very good reason. Not all seasons around the world start and finish at the same time.

If we get past June then many contracts like Henderson’s with Sheffield simply end regardless of when the season is completed.

It’s just an inescapable consequence of the season not being completed in the time that is ordinarily allotted for it finish. It is facts like this that I feel will ultimately lead to the season being voided if it can’t be completed by June.
 
Megadrive Man said:
If United decide to end a season long loan before the end of the season, they will be the ones lacking in Integrity. Would you not be embarrassed If United thought that the only way they could finish above Sheffield United was by taking their goalkeeper off them? Opposition fans will have a field day if you do that!

In the result of any extension then I'm sure some rule will come in stopping teams from doing things like this anyway, plus Henderson is the exception. How many teams have players close to being out of contract or on loan playing regularly for them? This will be a bigger issue for clubs lower down the football league though I'd imagine, which is why some rules around contracts would need to be amended.

As of right now there is no perfect solution and it may take a very long time before we can expect to see things completely back to normal. Do people honestly think that the 20/21 League and European competitions will all get back to normal in the result of a void season?
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And that's where you lost me. He's our goalkeeper.
 
Dana White seems obsessed to get his UFC show on April 18th, I mean it's great if the world can watch a major sports event but I would find it insanely insulting if he tried to profit from it.

Premier league wise I think we'd be happy if played behind closed doors now, just give us something to watch.

These guys have been locked up for weeks, give them medicals and social distance everyone in the stadium other than the players.

I work in construction and that's still running, if the lads are healthy then play the games.
 
Wibble said:
The one thing that makes me think that they will force this season to finish one way or another is that the powers that be won't want to lose TV revenue which is a real possibility if the season is cancelled.

I'm still hanging on to the idea that they will void the season and make the scousers cry.
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Yes, they want to play it out and keep the money and will string this along as long as possible. However, if the saving of this seasons money means a bigger hit down the road, that is where it will get voided.

To be honest, I think if the leagues were candid they would say that they know that they cannot save this season but they are negotiating the financial hit which is why nothing has been confirmed unlike the Olympics/Wimbledon etc.
 
Wibble said:
The one thing that makes me think that they will force this season to finish one way or another is that the powers that be won't want to lose TV revenue which is a real possibility if the season is cancelled.

I'm still hanging on to the idea that they will void the season and make the scousers cry.
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If they don't have a full season for 2020-21 they wont pay them anyway.
 
RobinLFC said:
Honest question because I don't see the reasoning behind that logic - how would it impact them negatively? Surely this season getting finished would lead to more gate receipts? Or are you talking about finishing it without fans in attendance?
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If you cancel next season they would miss out on a whole season of attendances, to complete the 9-12 games this year. Unless I misunderstand you? That’s clearly a huge revenue difference.

Dve said:
The general secretary of FIFPRO, Jonas Baer-Hoffmann:

“Our preference would be that we have as harmonised a solution on the contract extensions as possible.”
“You could very much argue that the spirit of the contract is that it runs until the season is over and a new contract starts with a new season.”

https://www.transfermarkt.com/fifpr...o-harmonised-solution-rdquo-/view/news/357933
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That's not how contracts work.
 
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Devil81 said:
Dana White seems obsessed to get his UFC show on April 18th, I mean it's great if the world can watch a major sports event but I would find it insanely insulting if he tried to profit from it.

Premier league wise I think we'd be happy if played behind closed doors now, just give us something to watch.

These guys have been locked up for weeks, give them medicals and social distance everyone in the stadium other than the players.

I work in construction and that's still running, if the lads are healthy then play the games.
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Staff, toilet cleaners, security, groundsmen, etc, etc.

To put on the PL 92 games would mean 10000 testing kits alone, and we can't get kits as it is at the moment.
 
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