Maybe the victims of the people who died as a result of their disgusting money grubbing should sue the broadcasters.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Maybe the victims of the people who died as a result of their disgusting money grubbing should sue the broadcasters.
That makes no sense at all.
A number of matches will have to be cancelled, no matter what. Whether you want to cut short this season (makes most sense) or truncate the next (makes less sense), the choice is yours.
TV channels are within their legal rights to ask for refund for the number of cancelled games. The Premier League had guaranteed 380 matches this season and the same for the upcoming seasons.
So this is merely a question of Premier League losing TV money from either this season or the next (relative to the number of matches lost).
There's no way on earth to finish this season and then finish 380 matches of next season. The whole idea that TV channels can apply undue pressure to finish the league this season makes no sense at all to me. Pushing the agenda "finish this league season at all costs" hurts them worse, in my opinion, because they'd be cutting short the more lucrative upcoming season.
Could the PL not just broadcast more games next season to make up for the shortfall in this one?
Was there only one match week left anyway? Or have I misunderstood?
One matchday in the regular competition but we work with a play-off system, which is now completely abandoned. That's 10 more games. No one gets relegated and the 2 teams playing the play-off final in the second league both get promoted - 18 teams instead of 16 next season.
No, I think they have a league where it splits after so many games.
Weird, never knew that.
Oh a Micky Mouse one like Scottish SPL.
Its not going to be possible for the league to restart at the end of April is it ...
Much as it would be great to have a game a day behind closed doors on free to air TV whilst people are stuck at home its a pipe dream... no way sky allow that for a start and more importantly there is no way that players clearly coudnt maintain the 2m distancing and to allow them to be exempt would set a terrible example from a public health messaging point of view
The leagues clearly will end up cancelled - the only question remains how they decide who gets the European places next season
Is it up to UEFA or is it up to individual leagues?
Will they give out places as they stand now?
Will they award based on UEFA club coefficients
Will they simply call it all null and void and let the teams who qualified last season into the competitions again
And what will happen with City - If Cas cant hear a case in time will they be able to suspend the suspension
Much as it would be great to have a game a day behind closed doors on free to air TV whilst people are stuck at home its a pipe dream... no way sky allow that for a start and more importantly there is no way that players clearly coudnt maintain the 2m distancing and to allow them to be exempt would set a terrible example from a public health messaging point of view
The leagues clearly will end up cancelled - the only question remains how they decide who gets the European places next season
Is it up to UEFA or is it up to individual leagues?
Will they give out places as they stand now?
Will they award based on UEFA club coefficients
Will they simply call it all null and void and let the teams who qualified last season into the competitions again
And what will happen with City - If Cas cant hear a case in time will they be able to suspend the suspension
I think most games to get shown on TV apart from the Saturday 3pm kick offs. I'm not sure why those games aren't televised. Here in Canada you can watch every Premier League game via the sports app DAZN.
They are considered “protected”, it’s to try and ensure that attendances at stadiums remain high, theory being that if you could watch every game on the tv no one would go to the games.
Never understood this as in Germany all games are shown on TV and they have Europe's highest average attendances
Surely the tv stations still got to run ads, get viewers etc? Do they give back ad revenue?
Won't it just come down to some sort of percentage paid for percentage played in terms of any refund on the money. The broadcasters have reaped the benefits of the games that have already been played. It's more or less a symbiotic deal. The clubs can't retain the money they haven't earned by failing to play the games and the broadcasters presumably aren't going to try and bankrupt clubs and footballing associations because outside factors have interfered with the show.
I imagine this season's deal will be fairly easy and amicable to navigate, even if it is void. It's next season where the biggest problems will be. I can't see how they will deliver more than a trickle of games before Christmas personally. I could be way out though.
I imagine this season's deal will be fairly easy and amicable to navigate, even if it is void. It's next season where the biggest problems will be. I can't see how they will deliver more than a trickle of games before Christmas personally. I could be way out though.
Its to protect lower lead attendance. They dont think people will watch their local time live at the ground if the pl is on tv
we have 92 (91 this year) league teams how many do they have? It’s got nothing to do with the PL it’s so that supporters are kore likely to go and watch the other 72 clubs.
its very difficult to know, but if testing capacity improves dramatically over the next 6 months (big if with this Government I admit) then behind closed doors games are viable in under 6 months I would say. Games in front of fans though, they're a long way away right now.
Agreed, but Germany do have 25M more people and two teams less in the league. Demand is higher than in England, from this incredibly simple analysis at least. I live in Norway and we pay roughly 50 pounds for the TV-package, well before Corona happened and messed up exchange rates, and I cannot understand why I can’t see a game on a Sunday which collides with another game. Yeah yeah, it’s because pubs in the UK stream international games that way, but that’s for the police to handle. I conclude that there are too many white-haired people making the rules, ruining the product. It’s not like Wolves - Liverpool will have less people in the stands if the game is shown on TV at the same time of United - Arsenal.
The Belgian league has one game left. So these div experts going on about how the Premier League should take their lead (Oliver Holt for one) can feck off. As if that's a decision even half as hard as the one our FA face.
Don’t even care if Liverpool get handed a pretend trophy, I’m just savouring the instant u-turn among their fans regarding the integrity of the game. Who could have seen it coming?
There’s no way broadcasters are going to start suing the Premier League or the clubs during this. It would be a total mess, not to mention how bad it would look on them if they decide to go down this route during a global pandemic. Also, let's not pretend that broadcasters have the power here. They need the Premier League and they need all these clubs.
Football is inexorably marching towards streaming. They would love nothing more than to control the broadcasts themselves and set up their own streaming channels. If broadcasters go ahead and sue (which they probably won’t), this would just expedite the process. They can stick their chest out as much as they want, but they don’t have the power here.
Football is inexorably marching towards streaming. They would love nothing more than to control the broadcasts themselves and set up their own streaming channels. If broadcasters go ahead and sue (which they probably won’t), this would just expedite the process. They can stick their chest out as much as they want, but they don’t have the power here.
Interesting with them still promoting two teams. That was suggested in first week of cancellations (premier league dosen't relegate but still promotes West Brom and Leeds and has 42 games). Dosen't Belgium league finish early anyway and then have mass play off system to decide title and champions league qualifiers?
Edit; Didn't see Robin's post.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened and the league follows belgian's steps.
The obvious precedent has been set. Belgium are in European football, so already UEFA in a tight spot about next time European qualifications will be determined.
Fully agree. Sky and BT would need to also be very careful how they handle all this. Their will always be someone willing to step in and take their place.
Amazon already got their slice of the pie this Season and there was talk of Facebook also wanting in. If Sky and/or BT push this too hard they could well end up with Nothing in the long run..
Watch liverpool be awarded the title, 3 teams safe and 3 new teams promoted..the table stands as is and the rest of the season is cancelled.
Belgium has set the precedent. You will all get your wish that the league is cancelled, but it will mean liverpool still get their title.
Belgium has set the precedent. You will all get your wish that the league is cancelled, but it will mean liverpool still get their title.
Some good news for Liverpool fans??
Belgian league cancelled but title awarded to Club Brugge. However they were mathematically Champions already. Also going by what some Pool fans say....doesn't mean we have to follow what other leagues are doing.
Belgian league cancelled but title awarded to Club Brugge. However they were mathematically Champions already. Also going by what some Pool fans say....doesn't mean we have to follow what other leagues are doing.
Difference is Liverpool aren't champions mathematically. There is reason for Belgian league to award it, with 1 game to go and a 15 point gap at the top.
And as some strong Pool supporters have so often reminded us, just because 1 league does it, doesn't mean others must.
Mathematically if they're champions then fine give them the title, unfortunately for Liverpool that ain't it chief.
So great of you to sacrifice your (at the moment quite small) chances at trophies and momentum. I don't see any other fans from clubs still in a cup competition proclaiming how amazing they are because they're willing to forego their chance to win it. Just for the record, I'm more than willing to not resume the league anymore if it means less deaths because of the virus. It shouldn't even be said, that's just being a decent human being.
What part of "I'm referring to Manchester United because I'm posting on a Manchester United forum" don't you get? Of course you'd expect a focus on United here. What you wouldn't or shouldn't expect is a Liverpool focus.
I'm not addressing every desperate and convoluted minutiae uttered by Liverpool fans here as I don't have time; I'm addressing en masse the fans of your club here on Red Cafe who have continued to make a special case for said club while a serious pandemic rages on. I'm allowed to be gobsmacked by that not even as a football fan, but as a human being.
It might well turn out to be, and I don't disagree re: the arguments, but stop for a second ( and again, this isn't directed specifically at you): if the roles were reversed, and I as a United fan were posting on a Liverpool board during a global crisis and advocating solely for my football club, I'd honestly like to think I'd pause, ask myself what I'm doing, realize how all I'm doing is tarnishing the name of my club by association, and probably take a back seat given the sheer optics of that.
Sigh. You still don't get it. All I can do is hope the reality of how you're coming across dawns on you. Peace, and be safe.
Adolf Hitler ? Charlie Chaplin ? beachballgate ? WTF are you on about fellah ? You managed to say quite a lot in your post without actually saying anything at all. Let me just put it in a way that maybe you, & others, will understand:
United supporter 1 - ' Those horrible scouse fans, people are dying in their thousands & all they're bothered about is winning a poxy league title'
United supporter 2 - 'There's thousands of people dying but at least we can laugh at those horrible scouse fans because this virus could wreck their chances of winning the title
So there's the hypocrisy I'm talking about. Surely if you can laugh at the possibility of us not winning the league, then we should be able to discuss why we feel we will eventually end up as champions without the regular demonizing us as heartless twats. Then you have the strawman arguments I've alluded to. A perfect example is people claiming that United have a lot to lose too by voiding the season when it's quite obvious they'd happily settle for another season of no CL just to see us thwarted in our quest to win the league. We can also throw in the double standards too. Lots of efforts being made on here by United fans to convince themselves, & the rest, that voiding the season asap is the right way forward. But again, we all know that if Manchester United were 25 points clear at this point in the season then the attitudes on here would be totally different.
Looking forward to you telling me why I'm wrong. Just do us all a favour though & cut out the un-necessary waffle.
Somehow you managed to miss the overarching point (I imagine deliberately since the analogy should have been obvious), which is even stated clearly for those like you who are unable to keep up: we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can be distressed and sad and worried about a very real crisis while laughing at our football rivals. One of those things is way bigger and more important than the other. That doesn't mean the unimportant one is illegitimate. Reading comprehension is a decent skill to develop.
If United were 25 points ahead, I would be saying the same thing as I'm saying now. We're fine; we've won plenty of trophies in our history. A one-off situation like this would sting a little, but there's a far bigger picture to worry about. In such situations, adults tend to suck it up and move on.
Anyway, I've had enough of the obtuseness and disingenuousness displayed by Liverpool fans here, so I'm bowing out. Have a wee think about how you're coming across, arguing every tiny point about why (since, in the end, this is your ultimate agenda) Liverpool should be crowned champions, while people everywhere are suffering greatly. Continue to "make your case"; I don't care. I don't even post a great deal here, but I felt I had to call you and your cohorts out as it was really bothering me.
Stay safe and stay healthy.
@Klopper76, do you have a link to the tweet about Uefa not allowing participation into CL/EL next season if a country nulls and voids (ie doesn't resolve like Belgium has)?
Two great posts !
You hammered them!
I don't even post much, but they did get under my skin, I have to admit.
I don't even post much, but they did get under my skin, I have to admit.
You two both deserve a round of applause for your achievements. I will be clapping for you at 8pm tonight.
Yes, you're probably right, and I shouldn't make generalizations. There are some good Liverpool posters, though. I forget usernames easily, but I think his name is Klopper 76. He's a pretty good poster. I like the idea of rival fans on the Cafe more than the reality, maybe?
Well, the top 6 are supposed to play playoffs as we do each year. The points of the regular season are halved, so the lead would be 8 points, with 10 games to play. Weirder things have happened. The decision was made because the Belgian clubs asked for it, don't think the Engish clubs will follow.
That's also the reason there probably aren't any clubs that go down in Belgium this season. With 1 game to go in the regular season, the club that is in last place was only 2 points behind, so anything could happen.
You two both deserve a round of applause for your achievements. I will be clapping for you at 8pm tonight.
See, I'm assuming this is sarcasm, and that's fine. It made me laugh. And it makes my point that a little humour amid a crisis isn't always a bad thing, something your fellow Liverpool fans don't seem to want to acknowledge (perhaps because their hapless club is the target).
Brugge aren't mathematically champions by the Belgian format though.
They have been the overwhelming dominant team in Belgium though, parallels there if you want to draw them...
They have been the overwhelming dominant team in Belgium though, parallels there if you want to draw them...