Cop in America doing a bad job, again

George Owen said:
Plenty police departments are on with the same tactics. And it's a fact known for ages.

It's fecking disgusting, but the scarier part is that nothing changes despite having all the evidence.

news from 2011:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html
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I read a similar case last year. Can't remember which part of America. This time, the entire squad were planting evidence and robbing people.
America needs a top down restructure of its police system. A body needs to be responsible for all forces and maintaining standards.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
The no of times "devout Christian" is mentioned. As if it should be have some bearing on the case.
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Well when the default is to paint the victim as some potential criminal because he listened to rap music and smoked weed and was in and out of courts... highlighting his religion and professional status should be unnecessary, but it isn't.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Literally wtf. Stupid mistake turns into manslaughter because she had a gun.
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This is a truly unbelievable case. The police officer walked into a flat, presumably thought it was hers, saw a man there and he ended up dead. He was a law-abiding professional guy. What a tragedy - and however do you not recognise that a room you're in isn't your room?
 
Penna said:
This is a truly unbelievable case. The police officer walked into a flat, presumably thought it was hers, saw a man there and he ended up dead. He was a law-abiding professional guy. What a tragedy - and however do you not recognise that a room you're in isn't your room?
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She shot him at the door, don't think she entered. And I guess they are trained to ask questions later.
 
Penna said:
This is a truly unbelievable case. The police officer walked into a flat, presumably thought it was hers, saw a man there and he ended up dead. He was a law-abiding professional guy. What a tragedy - and however do you not recognise that a room you're in isn't your room?
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She was tested for alcohol and drugs after the incident. It would be a big surprise if she didn't test positive.
 
The Firestarter said:
She shot him at the door, don't think she entered. And I guess they are trained to ask questions later.
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She tried the keys, didn't work and when the guy opened the door, she fired. Whether there was confrontation in between is still unclear.
 
bleedred said:
She tried the keys, didn't work and when the guy opened the door, she fired. Whether there was confrontation in between is still unclear.
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Yeah, the point is that she did not see the room . I am not defending her actions in any way, just explaining how it is possible to not recognize your apartment.
 

Pretty scary how everything can turn for the worse in milliseconds. Thankfully the partner officer was quick to react, draw and shoot accurately. Another waste of oxygen gone too.
 
The short/inadequate training for police in the US definitely results in a lot of police officers that aren't cut out for it. People who go into it for the wrong reasons, people who are too hot-headed, too easily spooked, too confrontational, or just plain unstable.

And how the hell isn't she in a cell? She was off duty, and shot a man dead for the crime of opening his front door. I feel bad for her, I really do, and I have no problem believing she's an emotional wreck, but that doesn't change the fact that she committed a serious crime, and should be treated as any other suspect would.
 
choiboyx012 said:

Pretty scary how everything can turn for the worse in milliseconds. Thankfully the partner officer was quick to react, draw and shoot accurately. Another waste of oxygen gone too.
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Interesting the way you talk about these people. I’ve noticed this a few times. You seem to perceive every violent criminal as subhuman. Do you believe in the possibility of redemption? Is there any point in the judiciary and penal system? Or should every violent criminal be executed on the spot?

If the attitude you seem to be revealing with your choice of words is common in the US police force, then that would certainly help explain why this thread is so long.
 
bleedred said:
She tried the keys, didn't work and when the guy opened the door, she fired. Whether there was confrontation in between is still unclear.
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Ive read 2 different accounts from different articles on this page. One account is your assertion which I actually heard first, but there's an article a few posts up where a police source states she entered an unlocked apartment and shot Botham in the dark when she was startled.
 
Penna said:
This is a truly unbelievable case. The police officer walked into a flat, presumably thought it was hers, saw a man there and he ended up dead. He was a law-abiding professional guy. What a tragedy - and however do you not recognise that a room you're in isn't your room?
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Yeah some cop...not great observation skills at all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Interesting the way you talk about these people. I’ve noticed this a few times. You seem to perceive every violent criminal as subhuman. Do you believe in the possibility of redemption? Is there any point in the judiciary and penal system? Or should every violent criminal be executed on the spot?

If the attitude you seem to be revealing with your choice of words is common in the US police force, then that would certainly help explain why this thread is so long.
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Yes I've noticed it too. It's as if he believes that criminality is inherent and that the police are doing us a favour just killing off criminals for us. It's disturbing that so many police think they can be like Judge Dredd and it not matter at all. When you start thinking of criminals sub-human or a waste of oxygen then where does it end?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Interesting the way you talk about these people. I’ve noticed this a few times. You seem to perceive every violent criminal as subhuman. Do you believe in the possibility of redemption? Is there any point in the judiciary and penal system? Or should every violent criminal be executed on the spot?

If the attitude you seem to be revealing with your choice of words is common in the US police force, then that would certainly help explain why this thread is so long.
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It's only for the select incidents/suspects posted here that are extreme cases. But yea, when you work dealing with violent criminals and their victims (including personal family and friends) for a while you start to have a more cold view of them.
I'm sorry if i offended you or anyone else, but I'm just not as forgiving and optimistic when it comes to violent behavior, especially when it comes to killing someone. And again the times I've used the label scumbags or wastes of oxygen are for the more extreme cases, which they absolutely were imo.
 
choiboyx012 said:
It's only for the select incidents/suspects posted here that are extreme cases. But yea, when you work dealing with violent criminals and their victims (including personal family and friends) for a while you start to have a more cold view of them.
I'm sorry if i offended you or anyone else, but I'm just not as forgiving and optimistic when it comes to violent behavior, especially when it comes to killing someone. And again the times I've used the label scumbags or wastes of oxygen are for the more extreme cases, which they absolutely were imo.
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You haven’t offended me. But your, at best, jaded view of the sort of people you’re likely to end up policing is not ideal. Do you guys ever get counselling, or a chance to reflect on your underlying attitudes and how they might affect your behaviour in a stressful situation? Without that, I don’t see how the cycle will ever be broke.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Interesting the way you talk about these people. I’ve noticed this a few times. You seem to perceive every violent criminal as subhuman. Do you believe in the possibility of redemption? Is there any point in the judiciary and penal system? Or should every violent criminal be executed on the spot?

If the attitude you seem to be revealing with your choice of words is common in the US police force, then that would certainly help explain why this thread is so long.
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Hard to come to any other conclusion Pogue after watching that video. He tried to execute a police officer for pulling him over.
Edit: of course not everyone should be judged as such but in this case the shoe fits.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
You haven’t offended me. But your, at best, jaded view of the sort of people you’re likely to end up policing is not ideal. Do you guys ever get counselling, or a chance to reflect on your underlying attitudes and how they might affect your behaviour in a stressful situation? Without that, I don’t see how the cycle will ever be broke.
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I haven't been jaded yet. The area and people i patrol are very chill. We're not in a very crime-ridden area. And most of our encounters with criminals go the way they're supposed to for the most part (without any serious violations, excessive or unnecessary force). I've never said criminals should be killed on the spot. I'm just glad that in the few incidents highlighted on this thread, the criminal attempting to kill a person or officers was eventually "put down".
 
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