Cop in America doing a bad job, again

oneniltothearsenal said:
You are leaving out the kid already called the officer "fecking sheisty" right at the start for no reason. Even if you personally do not believe it has any racial connotations, its still being offensive for no reason as well as revealing a clear predisposition to believe certain things. It completely removes his objectivity as a camera observer.

The kid was guilty of interfering with an investigation. Without any further context that is all we can conclude. For all we know something was about to go down and the officer expediting the situation by arrresting him and removing his potential for more interference saved lives. Even if it didn't literally save lives, it very well could. During an active investigation police might not have time for uneducated, potentially agenda driven people with a camera who have no clear the obligations of being actually press journalist.
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why do you keep repeating this at no point has anyone even tried to refute that he might be guilty or claimed that the cameraman is some kind of saint the point is that the officer went at him like a badly trained pit bull terrier, people should not accept that kind of unprofessional behaviour from people with positions of power
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
After watching some of those first amendment audits there are a few big problems with this incident.

It's important to keep in mind the law that allows filming from a publicly accessible location do not include interfering with an active police investigation. The cameraman is following closer than 20 feet and is legally in jeopardy of violating the interfering in an active investigation aspect. The cameraman has no standing to question the jurisdiction of the officers at that moment as he doesn't have all the information.

Second, the cameraman very clearly crosses other citizen's private property during this incident. he could be considered in violation of trespass.

Third, there is no actually evidence of police brutality or anything except the officer saying he is getting arrested, which may be perfectly legal.

Finally he insults the officer first by saying calling him "fecking sheisty" (an arguably racist phrase btw) and then later "feck you" while acting entitled. While cussing out public officials is usually counter productive in the least, in some places its actually against the law (there are tonnes of crazy local laws on the books that most people are not aware).

This should not even be compared to the NJ beach incident.
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Spot on. I was surprised the cop didn't arrest the camera person for interfering in whatever they were doing. I've witnessed a similar situation where LAPD were on foot in Brentwood, guns drawn looking for someone in a construction site. If someone tried this stunt with them their faces would be planted in the pavement in seconds.
 
Silva said:
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/v...se-yoinis-cruz-pena-cyclist-who-died-10409180
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This might be the first instance where I am siding with the police. Although tragic that someone died in this instance, it means nothing to many motorcyclists on Florida roads to think nothing of massively exceeding the speed limit (in fact, there is an motorcyclist group’s Instagram screenshot in the link championing someone’s going 100mph in broad daylight). I drive on FL highways on off peak hours and consistently have to deal with packs of motorcyclists flying by me by more than 30mph. During rush hour traffic jams or congested roads, they are then driving between cars on lane lines making even a normal lane change tedious and a nerve wracking. I rarely, if ever, see a motorcyclist pulled over due to their wreckless driving.

While police pursuit laws have massive amounts of common sense and should be in place, in this instance the motorcyclists made their own bed by having no hesitation to zoom away.
 
calodo2003 said:
This might be the first instance where I am siding with the police. Although tragic that someone died in this instance, it means nothing to many motorcyclists on Florida roads to think nothing of massively exceeding the speed limit (in fact, there is an motorcyclist group’s Instagram screenshot in the link championing someone’s going 100mph in broad daylight). I drive on FL highways on off peak hours and consistently have to deal with packs of motorcyclists flying by me by more than 30mph. During rush hour traffic jams or congested roads, they are then driving between cars on lane lines making even a normal lane change tedious and a nerve wracking. I rarely, if ever, see a motorcyclist pulled over due to their wreck less driving.

While police pursuit laws have massive amounts of common sense and should be in place, in this instance the motorcyclists made their own bed by having no hesitation to zoom away.
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he wouldn't have had to if the police didn't make the dangerous decision, then lied about it
 
Silva said:
he wouldn't have had to if the police didn't make the dangerous decision, then lied about it
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Sorry, it’s already in their driving DNA of too many motorcyclists to drive in such a manner, sorry to say. Look in the link, they champion attaining insane speeds. Why not just pull over?
 
the police disobeyed policy, endangered civilians, indirectly caused the death of civilians, lied about it, covered it up, insulted the family members of the deceases


and they will get away with it all, as usual
 
Silva said:
i'd ask him if he wasn't dead

why are the police lying?
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Let me back up a second. In absolutely no way am I condoning the police for lying, it just exemplifies how shady And corrupt they can be. I can find a preponderance of police fault in every story that is in this link (at least for the last dozen pages). I’m not saying that the police are blameless here at all.

To me, this is an example of the other party being at least in as much fault. It’s a shame that the accident occurred, but you can’t automatically absolve the motorcyclists of blame.
 
calodo2003 said:
Let me back up a second. In absolutely no way am I condoning the police for lying, it just exemplifies how shady And corrupt they can be. I can find a preponderance of police fault in every story that is in this link (at least for the last dozen pages). I’m not saying that the police are blameless here at all.

To me, this is an example of the other party being at least in as much fault. It’s a shame that the accident occurred, but you can’t automatically absolve the motorcyclists of blame.
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the reason the policy exists is because it leads to fatal accidents
 
Silva said:
the reason the policy exists is because it leads to fatal accidents
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Again, the policy is in place for positive reasons and the police are culpable in this, but the motorcyclists are as well. I have too many first hand instances of dealing with motorcyclists driving illegally and irresponsible, up to physical altercations. I unfortunately see instances of it almost daily. They are not blameless in this, Pollyanna-ish to think so.
 
Silva said:
also this heavily implied you don't blame the police at all
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It’s the first time where I looked at a story in here and felt that the police weren’t massively, almost completely at fault.

Cant see how that statement would lead one to believe that I was just arbitrarily pro-police.
 
calodo2003 said:
Again, the policy is in place for positive reasons and the police are culpable in this, but the motorcyclists are as well. I have too many first hand instances of dealing with motorcyclists driving illegally and irresponsible, up to physical altercations. I unfortunately see instances of it almost daily. They are not blameless in this, Pollyanna-ish to think so.
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this is a separate issue and it should be dealt with by taking their drivers licences/arresting them without chasing them at high speeds
 
calodo2003 said:
It’s the first time where I looked at a story in here and felt that the police weren’t massively, almost completely at fault.

Cant see how that statement would lead one to believe that I was just arbitrarily pro-police.
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they chased someone at high speeds and covered it up, even if you have a seething hatred for people who break laws on the road then that seething hatred should also be directed at the police officers who drove dangerously
 
Silva said:
this is a separate issue and it should be dealt with by taking their drivers licences/arresting them without chasing them at high speeds
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In my opinion, it’s an overriding mindset of most of the non-Harley riding type of motorcyclists out there. They can achieve such high speeds so quickly, any type of police intervention has to also be insanely fast.

Some type of camera system, etc. needs to be in place to be able to capture instances of this wreckless driving and properly ticket.
 
calodo2003 said:
In my opinion, it’s an overriding mindset of most of the non-Harley riding type of motorcyclists out there. They can achieve such high speeds so quickly, any type of police intervention has to also be insanely fast.
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This is a good argument for road safety laws that prohibit high speed chases.

Some type of camera system, etc. needs to be in place to be able to capture instances of this wreckless driving and properly ticket.
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ok i get it now, you've been a coma because this is already a thing
 
Silva said:
they chased someone at high speeds and covered it up, even if you have a seething hatred for people who break laws on the road then that seething hatred should also be directed at the police officers who drove dangerously
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It’s most certainly is, I am utterly appalled by the actions of the police in my country. The recent militarization of the police in both mindset and weaponry leaves a massive amount to be desired and currently is causing a tear in the country’s moral fabric that won’t easily be mended.
 
calodo2003 said:
It’s most certainly is, I am utterly appalled by the actions of the police in my country. The recent militarization of the police in both mindset and weaponry leaves a massive amount to be desired and currently is causing a tear in the country’s moral fabric that won’t easily be mended.
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Excellent we've come to an agreement.
 
Silva said:
This is a good argument for road safety laws that prohibit high speed chases.


ok i get it now, you've been a coma because this is already a thing
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Don’t see evidence of such in stretches of the road where this type of driving typically occurs. Sure, there are traffic stop cameras at many major intersections in my area, but none on the bridges or stretches of highway where this type of motorcycling occurs.
 
calodo2003 said:
Don’t see evidence of such in stretches of the road where this type of driving typically occurs. Sure, there are traffic stop cameras at many major intersections in my area, but none on the bridges or stretches of highway where this type of motorcycling occurs.
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I'm pretty sure that's basically @Skizzo's day job, you could always get a dash cam and send in footage of dangerous behaviour you come across.
 
Silva said:
Excellent we've come to an agreement.
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Yep. From what I have seen of your posts, we think very much alike on many issues. We see alike on a good portion of this one as well, hopefully all those in that police force who are hiding behind the blue line and are covering up the police culpability in this are taken to task on this to the fullest.
 
In regards to the motorcyclists, a lot of them ride with their plates removed, covered, or tucked under the rear of the bike. They’re not stupid. Especially in this area they’ll ride like idiots because they know they’ll likely be able to get away in the heavier Bay Area traffic.

Ideally we’re be able to get a plate, run it for their address, and pay them a visit later. More often than not though, they speed off and get away, then post it to their Instagram to look cool for their friends. Sometimes it’s just speed, sometimes it’s blocking traffic to do “tricks” or race.
 
Skizzo said:
In regards to the motorcyclists, a lot of them ride with their plates removed, covered, or tucked under the rear of the bike. They’re not stupid. Especially in this area they’ll ride like idiots because they know they’ll likely be able to get away in the heavier Bay Area traffic.

Ideally we’re be able to get a plate, run it for their address, and pay them a visit later. More often than not though, they speed off and get away, then post it to their Instagram to look cool for their friends. Sometimes it’s just speed, sometimes it’s blocking traffic to do “tricks” or race.
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Arent they allowed to land split in california?
 
Skizzo said:
More often than not though, they speed off and get away, then post it to their Instagram to look cool for their friends. Sometimes it’s just speed, sometimes it’s blocking traffic to do “tricks” or race.
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Isn't this just straight up evidence for one on your cops download and pay them a visit?
 
Skizzo said:
In regards to the motorcyclists, a lot of them ride with their plates removed, covered, or tucked under the rear of the bike. They’re not stupid. Especially in this area they’ll ride like idiots because they know they’ll likely be able to get away in the heavier Bay Area traffic.

Ideally we’re be able to get a plate, run it for their address, and pay them a visit later. More often than not though, they speed off and get away, then post it to their Instagram to look cool for their friends. Sometimes it’s just speed, sometimes it’s blocking traffic to do “tricks” or race.
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I have been in quite a few blocks, a couple of times being slowed down by the riders to about 30mph on the highway. It’s quite unnerving, especially initially being surrounded by them.
 
calodo2003 said:
I have been in quite a few blocks, a couple of times being slowed down by the riders to about 30mph on the highway. It’s quite unnerving, especially initially being surrounded by them.
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I had a couple ride my ass a ways down a country 2 lane road recently because they wanted me to speed up. I didn’t specifically because of that and because I was already going 5 over the limit.

They eventually passed me then when they got near a biker bar slammed on breaks in front of me to turn in.

Not gonna lie, part of me said “hit the gas”.
 
Carolina Red said:
I had a couple ride my ass a ways down a country 2 lane road recently because they wanted me to speed up. I didn’t specifically because of that and because I was already going 5 over the limit.

They eventually passed me then when they got near a biker bar slammed on breaks in front of me to turn in.

Not gonna lie, part of me said “hit the gas”.
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Been there before as well. I was merging into a major city road near my place when I almost collided with a motorcyclist who was speeding who was trying to get in the lane where I was. I had my blinker on, was merging for quite some time, he could have slowed down and gone behind me, but he tried to slip around me. All of a sudden there were three motorcyclists in front of me, slamming on their brakes. They got so close that I could not see their real wheels. We slowed down to a crawl, two of them had passengers on their bike who took their helmets off and started slamming my hood with them. I thought about pulling off the road and calling the cops, but I also was concerned that they would start bashing my windows in. I accelerated and they ultimately got out of my way. It all happened within 30 seconds, freaked the feck out of me.
 
Eboue said:
Arent they allowed to land split in california?
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They are, but it still has to be done safely. If traffic is at a dead stop, they can split, but can’t do it at excessive speeds, for example.

Silva said:
Isn't this just straight up evidence for one on your cops download and pay them a visit?
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A lot of their pages are private for their friends or clubs only. Plus the argument would be that how could we prove it was them riding if it’s just from a helmet cam?

calodo2003 said:
I have been in quite a few blocks, a couple of times being slowed down by the riders to about 30mph on the highway. It’s quite unnerving, especially initially being surrounded by them.
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Yeah we get that a lot, and also with sports cars out on the I-280. Their friends block off traffic behind and then they race over the next mile or so. Ass hats.
 
Those sideshows seem to be getting more popular too in the Bay Area. Crazy stuff and not a lot the police can do about them.
 
Fecking hate reckless bikers. They're hard to see as it is, don't blow past me on my right side going 180 kph. Even though I think you're a cnut, I will still feel guilty if I accidentally hit you and you're killed. Feck you.

Even though police were wrong to chase him, he could still have decided to just pull over. Especially with his wife on the back. Feck him for that, honestly.
 
What's wrong with that? Didn't you know cops are allowed to use physical force? Go read the police procedure manual please. The cops were just doing their jobs and did nothing wrong other than apply too much force. The rules of the building probably state that squatting in the corridor is not allowed. Just to be sure, better reference local news reports and apartment laws too.
Also, the cheek of him talking on the phone and being disrespectful to the cops while they were giving out instructions.
 
The longer video is unfortunately even worse. Once they've brutally attacked him, handuffed him and forced him to lay on his stomach they laugh and joke before taking his shoes off, binding his legs together and taking turns to kneel on the small of his back. They then drag him to his knees and feet, slam his head into the lift door, drag him back to the ground, kneel on him again, bind his legs even tighter, press his head into the ground and eventually wrap some sort of material round his face before carrying him off.

They're torturing him.

 
Ekkie Thump said:
The longer video is unfortunately even worse. Once they've brutally attacked him, handuffed him and forced him to lay on his stomach they laugh and joke before taking his shoes off, binding his legs together and taking turns to kneel on the small of his back. They then drag him to his knees and feet, slam his head into the lift door, drag him back to the ground, kneel on him again, bind his legs even tighter, press his head into the ground and eventually wrap some sort of material round his face before carrying him off.

They're torturing him.

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Christ, it looks as though he was out on his feet, then the bald cop throws an elbow.

It’s as though meathead MMA-dork losers become cops to be able to act like they are fighters. At least in the ring a fighter who is knocked out will be assisted by the referee; in instances like this, the unconscious man has no chance.
 
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