Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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Body cam footage of the beach thing. Dunno if it's been posted, but if anything it makes it even more excessive than I thought it was the first time.
Personally think the police hitting that guy with the car is less bad. This man is a known felon who is trying to flee from the police. The car doesn't hit him hard and his only injuries are some bruises. He also tries to block the guys path a few times first, so I don't think it was his intent to run him down per se.
Personally think the police hitting that guy with the car is less bad. This man is a known felon who is trying to flee from the police. The car doesn't hit him hard and his only injuries are some bruises. He also tries to block the guys path a few times first, so I don't think it was his intent to run him down per se.
It's a thin line between, a slight knock and broken bones or worse tho isn't it?
Yea that vid was posted a few pages back, it's worth going back a few pages to see Mike's mental gymnastics attempting to justify the whole thing.
Yea that vid was posted a few pages back, it's worth going back a few pages to see Mike's mental gymnastics attempting to justify the whole thing.
It is, but there's a difference with the girl on the beach and a convicted felon running from the police. The cop in the car was fired by the way.
Yea I saw it on reddit earlier. I hear ya but where do you draw the line?
That's a difficult question. One that cops have to answer in all those situations. That's why I'm not entirely unsympathetic towards them initially. Their job is terrible. It's also a job that attracts power hungry narcissitic cnuts ofcourse, which makes judging these things even harder.
I'm glad I'm not a copper though.
Ah my bad, yes I did see those gymnastics. Would be funny if it werent so disturbing. Still suspect it being 50% contrarian wumming for the sake of it.
Would someone ever carry one around loaded, but unchambered? Or is that considered somehow 'not ready enough'?
The "Condition 1" vs. "Condition 3" debate is actually something frequently debated when looking at how weapons should be carried.
In the days before things like firing pin safeties, most firearms were carried by police and military personnel in "Condition 3", which is loaded magazine/empty chamber.
This fell by the wayside with the invention of firing pin and drop safeties because the argument was successfully made that in a self defense situation, the racking of the slide of a pistol or the bolt of a rifle could lead to a stoppage failure of the weapon (a jam) and/or could lead to human error in working the action to the point that the person would not be able to adequately defend themselves in time. This also requires the use of two hands, which the person might not have the use of at that given moment for a variety of reasons.
Because of these factors, most police offices switched to "Condition 1" carry, which is loaded magazine/loaded chamber with safety engaged.
Gracias, knowledgeable friend. On a side note, a few months ago I handled tactical pistols for the 1st time in my life (the joys of Florida) and was surprised that my pussy typing & videogame hands weren't of the required strength to smoothly work slide (1911 & P226). Not as easy to work as "in the movies"...
Do people agree that the cops should have arrested her according to the state laws ?
I issue for me the excessive force, completely unnecessary and disgusting but the arrest I'm not sure I can disagree with.
On the bigger picture I think the US alcohol laws are ridiculous and the police force are trained in general to deal with everyone as if they are an axe wielding nutjob.
Never once thought as a kid that I would get arrested, beat down by police if I was caught with alcohol underage. The normal thing was to have it confiscated, poured down a drain and that was it. Police sent you on your way.
I issue for me the excessive force, completely unnecessary and disgusting but the arrest I'm not sure I can disagree with.
On the bigger picture I think the US alcohol laws are ridiculous and the police force are trained in general to deal with everyone as if they are an axe wielding nutjob.
Never once thought as a kid that I would get arrested, beat down by police if I was caught with alcohol underage. The normal thing was to have it confiscated, poured down a drain and that was it. Police sent you on your way.
Drinking underage is illegal not just selling? There is no freedom in that country!
It's a state-by-state decision. Federalism at work.
https://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591
"I'm a woman, you're not allowed to hit me," she says after kicking out at them and refusing to be amenable.
Again, it's clearly excessive force but I have zero sympathy for her.
Again, it's clearly excessive force but I have zero sympathy for her.
starts around 4:30
Th cop should definitely arrest her. You can't kick or spit at a police officer and the woman is obviously a massive cnut.
The force with which the arrest was done is beyond excessive though.
After watching some of those first amendment audits there are a few big problems with this incident.
It's important to keep in mind the law that allows filming from a publicly accessible location do not include interfering with an active police investigation. The cameraman is following closer than 20 feet and is legally in jeopardy of violating the interfering in an active investigation aspect. The cameraman has no standing to question the jurisdiction of the officers at that moment as he doesn't have all the information.
Second, the cameraman very clearly crosses other citizen's private property during this incident. he could be considered in violation of trespass.
Third, there is no actually evidence of police brutality or anything except the officer saying he is getting arrested, which may be perfectly legal.
Finally he insults the officer first by saying calling him "fecking sheisty" (an arguably racist phrase btw) and then later "feck you" while acting entitled. While cussing out public officials is usually counter productive in the least, in some places its actually against the law (there are tonnes of crazy local laws on the books that most people are not aware).
This should not even be compared to the NJ beach incident.
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cop went from 0 to 100 in about 5 seconds dude needs to be anger management not in a position of power
As I pointed out that cameraman is in violation of many of the very strict conditions that those first amendment auditors adhere to (at least the successful ones).
He is probably going to get rightfully convicted of interfering in an active police investigation. He could have been jeopardizing innocent citizens lives by his ignorant actions. Based just on this video I would vote guilty for interfering in an active investigation if I was on the jury.
This example should not even be compared to NJ or other incidents.
Its funny because from the video I am quite convinced I know more about the law than the cameraman and he shouldn't be playing these games because he is too biased and ignorant for it.
the policeman arrested for the sole reason that he was personally pissed off, that's an abuse of power, whether or not you're totally a legal genius doesn't really matter
What’s the purpose of this person? Is he there to annoy cops on duty?
The cop went agressive a bit suddenly, but I dont really see the point of this other than seeking attention and baiting those cops? Reminds me of the thing we did when we were 10 waving a hand in someones face and yelling you don’t own the air in front of you lolololo
What’s next, looking over a surgeons shoulder with your phone and asking him if he’s doing okay? Then yelling when he accidently nicks an artery? Cops have very stressfull jobs, I see no benefit in doing this honestly.
Edit: missquoted, talking about that 1st amendment thing video.
The cop went agressive a bit suddenly, but I dont really see the point of this other than seeking attention and baiting those cops? Reminds me of the thing we did when we were 10 waving a hand in someones face and yelling you don’t own the air in front of you lolololo
What’s next, looking over a surgeons shoulder with your phone and asking him if he’s doing okay? Then yelling when he accidently nicks an artery? Cops have very stressfull jobs, I see no benefit in doing this honestly.
Edit: missquoted, talking about that 1st amendment thing video.
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i don't really care what he was doing there, punching the shit out of someone when you've got them on the ground and a bunch of your co workers are already restraining him isn't on
Again, this is incorrect.
From the video alone, he was rightfully arrested for interfering in an active police investigation.
If he had any clue about the law he would know he needs to stand at least 20 feet back from the police while they are in active investigation. Not only that but he was harassing the officers with offensive and potentially racist language!
This just isn't a good example nor does it illustrate police misbehavior but rather a dipshit citizen breaking the law because he is offensively naive.
I quoted the wrong vid, that one is obviously terrible.
what racist language?
At the very start, he calls the officer "fecking sheisty" for no reason whatsoever. I will let Jewish people debate on that word but I have been informed by Jewish people IRL a long time not to use "sheisty" or "shyster" as they are "at the least racially insensitive".
Either way there is nothing wrong with this arrest. The dipshit was legally guilty of interfering in active investigation.
seems like a stretch https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/almID/900005387204/?slreturn=20180505175001
wether or not he's guilty of something is irrelevant, the cop was personally pissed off by his presence and decides for that and that reason alone to arrest him aggressively
I can't see that article, can you quote it?
Either way, I think the kid was guilty of interfering in an active police investigation and nothing on the video makes me think this is even remotely equivalent to incidents of police brutality or misbehavior. Just based on that video I would vote guilty on the camerakid not the police.
tldr; the antisemitic thing is a false etymology that wrongly linked it so shylock for sounding vaguely similar
again, i don't care if he's guilty of something, that police officer has an anger management issue and needs help not power
I disagree that the video is enough information to make a diagnosis of anger management.
I also think linking that video with the others does a disservice to people who were actually mistreated by police as I see nothing in that video that shows police brutality.
The camerakid also clearly has anger management issues to be calling random people "fecking sheisty" and saying "feck you". Kid deserves to be convicted. Not enough information to say anything about the police here.
On shyster, that's cool, but I am still going with the Jewish people I actually know IRL and respecting their knowledge and wishes over an internet article and will not be using the word. I don't know the credentials of whoever wrote this article I can't read. I do know the credentials of the people who asked me long ago not to use that term.
"get the feck out of here"
"feck you"
is how the exchange went for people who didn't sit through it, he didn't just randomly spurt it
okay, maybe the kid has issues too, i'm all for helping him/banning him for policework
and this thread isn't a game of fecking one upsmanship, posting one thing does not equate it to another otherwise the simple brutality wouldn't hold a candle to the murders stop being such a shyster
You are leaving out the kid already called the officer "fecking sheisty" right at the start for no reason. Even if you personally do not believe it has any racial connotations, its still being offensive for no reason as well as revealing a clear predisposition to believe certain things. It completely removes his objectivity as a camera observer.
The kid was guilty of interfering with an investigation. Without any further context that is all we can conclude. For all we know something was about to go down and the officer expediting the situation by arrresting him and removing his potential for more interference saved lives. Even if it didn't literally save lives, it very well could in similar situations. I don't see the kid's rights being violated in any way. During an active investigation police might not have time for uneducated, potentially agenda driven people with a camera who have no clue the obligations of being an actual press journalist.