That's fecking disgusting. It's like a serial killer toying with you before he inevitably kills you. You know for a fact this officer wanted to legally kill that guy, he even said if you fall face first and you're arms move in a natural action he would be shot. Two unarmed police in any developed country would have that situation controlled in a fraction of the time.
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That's fecking disgusting. It's like a serial killer toying with you before he inevitably kills you. You know for a fact this officer wanted to legally kill that guy, he even said if you fall face first and you're arms move in a natural action he would be shot. Two unarmed police in any developed country would have that situation controlled in a fraction of the time.
Its incredible how the cop wasn't convicted for that. Says it all about the US justice system.
Half the problem is how the police in the states think they're special forces these days, they get themselves so psyched up with all their toys.
Half the problem is how the police in the states think they're special forces these days, they get themselves so psyched up with all their toys.
Reading up on this story - the deceased is from the same town in Texas that my aunt has resided in for over forty years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver
The cop is clearly a nutter, evident with the engravings on his weapon. It's in Arizona so no wonder the cop was found not guilty. I can understand the probable defense of the intoxicated person reaching back when ordered not to make incorrect movements, but this cop was clearly itching to shoot. With that many PD on the scene (at least two, may have been three) they could have easily subdued the man in a team effort as he lay on the ground.
An investigator agreed on my assessment above - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/firings-come-precarious-time-big-tv-morning-shows-n825601 - The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...on-used-by-mesa-officer-facing-murder-charge/ - appears the article was taken down or is no longer accessible, go figure.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...eport-officers-shooting-hotel-guest/82376090/
"You're F***ed" was etched onto Brailsford's weapon, an internal investigation report stated. In addition, an investigator found the words "molon labe" engraved on the outside dust cover. The Greek words, a classical expression of defiance, loosely translate to "come and take them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Shaver
The cop is clearly a nutter, evident with the engravings on his weapon. It's in Arizona so no wonder the cop was found not guilty. I can understand the probable defense of the intoxicated person reaching back when ordered not to make incorrect movements, but this cop was clearly itching to shoot. With that many PD on the scene (at least two, may have been three) they could have easily subdued the man in a team effort as he lay on the ground.
An investigator agreed on my assessment above - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/firings-come-precarious-time-big-tv-morning-shows-n825601 - The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...on-used-by-mesa-officer-facing-murder-charge/ - appears the article was taken down or is no longer accessible, go figure.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...eport-officers-shooting-hotel-guest/82376090/
"You're F***ed" was etched onto Brailsford's weapon, an internal investigation report stated. In addition, an investigator found the words "molon labe" engraved on the outside dust cover. The Greek words, a classical expression of defiance, loosely translate to "come and take them."
That he didn't get anything for that is just an outrage! fecking medieval bullshit that! Leaders of the free world, my ass!
That's harrowing to watch.
cops are murderers
And cowards!.
It is obvious why the officer got off.
Mr Shaver clearly dsobeyed the officer's command twice
I reckon if Mr Shaver was black, he would have been shot earlier.
It is also evident that America's Right to bear Arms has created a monster.
It should be obvious to anyone watching that video that the guy was scared shitless....and some people when they are scared find it difficult to understand and follow basic instructions. But because of the gun rights the probability of a guy with no criminal record having a gun in his waistband is also significantly higher. Hence the overkill ( pardon the pun)
Mr Shaver clearly dsobeyed the officer's command twice
I reckon if Mr Shaver was black, he would have been shot earlier.
It is also evident that America's Right to bear Arms has created a monster.
It should be obvious to anyone watching that video that the guy was scared shitless....and some people when they are scared find it difficult to understand and follow basic instructions. But because of the gun rights the probability of a guy with no criminal record having a gun in his waistband is also significantly higher. Hence the overkill ( pardon the pun)
What the actual feck is that video? How can a person like that be allowed to be near other humans, let alone have a fecking gun?
Because it is in a country where several people kill each other with guns on a daily basis and no one cares.
It's absolutely awful. The second he said he wasn't going to be diplomatic I knew it was going to be shit.
Not condoning it in any way, but it pains me when I see officers give these guys instructions (no matter how simple like keeping your hands shown at all time and not look as if you're reaching something from behind) and then they do it. This officer was a dick, but if I hear an officer being this irrational or unstable like this guy, if he says to keep my hands on the ground and crawl forward the last thing I'm going to do is stop crawling and swing my right arm back for a milisecond. I mean, what the feck was he thinking. Was he drunk?
Nevertheless, the fact this guy didn't get punished at all is a joke.
I've wanted to visit the states ever since I was a little boy but year by year I'm more reluctant. Perhaps it's an irrational fear of making a mistake in front of police officers but their trigger happiness really doesn't help.
@Hernandez - BFA the articles linked above did indicate the deceased was intoxicated.
Assuming you're going to visit Orlando?
Ah didn't read the article, just the video. Makes sense then, which makes it even worse that the officer did what he did. Sure drunk people may be dangerous as they may think irrationally, but to expect him to follow every instruction to every point is just asking the guy to get shot.
On top of being under the influence the man was terrified, All people act differently to high stress situations I guess, some remain completely coherent and logical, some panic. The victim might have fallen to the latter category. I'm guessing that if you panic it's hard to obey commands of a yelling man. There's no excuse for what the officer did, worse is that he walked away from that a free man.
That is feckin sickening, I have seen some awful things on the net over the years but that is terrible, honestly that is a cold blooded execution. How anyone can watch that and not see from the outset that the police officer was buzzing for an opportunity to pull the trigger is beyond me. How many more do we have to see before someone calls a spade a spade? You are giving a licence to kill to people who are mentally unstable. I can't believe I've seen people on various sites justify what is quite clearly a murder. You're not a patriot if you can't see anything wrong with your society and defend any criticism to the hilt. You're a coward. That vermin should be locked up indefinitely. I pray that we don't roll out weapons across our police force.
The guy yelling and the guy who shot were two different officers.
The victim also gave the cops an out as soon as he put his arm back to pull up his shorts. It's fecking tragic as shit, but when someone makes a rash movement when under instructions from a cop there's always a risk with the way police is run over there. Police officers are quite protected under the law in these cases.
It pains me to say it, but I can see how he was acquitted for murder. At least the cop is off the streets.
The victim also gave the cops an out as soon as he put his arm back to pull up his shorts. It's fecking tragic as shit, but when someone makes a rash movement when under instructions from a cop there's always a risk with the way police is run over there. Police officers are quite protected under the law in these cases.
It pains me to say it, but I can see how he was acquitted for murder. At least the cop is off the streets.
What happens in a society where everyone is armed to the teeth.
Police essentially behave like they're in a war zone.
Police essentially behave like they're in a war zone.
Orlando??? The only place worth visiting in Florida is Tampa!
That's where I work. Next to the airport.
I know billy
On a serious note, I probably wouldn't want to visit Florida due to your state's hold your ground law. I know its irrational and that I shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush but I've never held a gun or had a gun pointed at me, I honestly think I would act like the unfortunate guy in the video above... Probably piss my pants and make involuntary movements.
We aren't all like that. I was going to invite you to a game at McDintons.I know billy
On a serious note, I probably wouldn't want to visit Florida due to your state's hold your ground law. I know its irrational and that I shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush but I've never held a gun or had a gun pointed at me, I honestly think I would act like the unfortunate guy in the video above... Probably piss my pants and make involuntary movements.
That shuffle-crawl thing can't be procedure, can it?
I correctly called the walter scott shooting as a bad, unjustified shooting. Surprised he actually got sentenced 20 years in S.Carolina of all places. Wtf was he thinking.
Didn't think it was common, but I've actually seen 1 or 2 agencies use it for felony or high-risk stops. I was trained very differently both in the academy and afterwards when I was a trainee with my department.
The Daniel Shaver video is going to mess with me for a while. The cop sounded fecking aroused by his faux-power.
The worst part was that there was nothing he could do to prevent the shooting. The instructions were contradictory and he was not being allowed to speak- then he was shot because he stumbled as his pants fell down due to crawling as the cop asked. Kafkaesque.
Tbh he could have let his shorts fall down. Reaching towards your pockets when someone has a gun pointed at you & who has instructed you not to move your arms back isn’t a great move.
Yes cop was being a dick, but his instructions were very clear.
His instructions were contradictory. He was setting that guy up to fail to satisfy his bloodlust.
I still don’t understand how civilians are expected to react 100% without any mistakes or sudden movements, despite being put in an obviously traumatising situation - and any mistake, or sudden movement is grounds for causation for them to be killed.
Doesn’t make sense to me, especially considering officers are trained, armed, armoured and out numbering the individual too.
Doesn’t make sense to me, especially considering officers are trained, armed, armoured and out numbering the individual too.
Yup, this is absolutely baffling. People react differently and cope or not with stress to varying degrees, to expect everybody to comply 100% is literally asking for an excuse to execute them as per in the video discussed. Some people absolutely shit themselves during, say, driving license test, nevermind being at the gunpoint after so many examples of American cops doing absolutely shite job.
I believe that soldiers, cops, plenty of them just enroll to be able to kill somebody because deep down they are fecking psychos and they manage not to show it during psychological tests.
Its an instinctive reaction. Bet you would do the same in that situation. Your pants slide down and you try to pull them up.
Why didn't the second cop move to him and cuff him when he was on the floor? He was outnumbered, lying on the ground with a cnut with an assault rifle aimed at him and bawling his eyes out.
The cop was rightly fired. If there is a hell, there is a special place for this prick. "you're fecked" on his gun and he shoots an unarmed man in this fashion. What an absolute waste of human skin!
Absolutely. Its very odd to justify something like this by saying the instructions were clear. As @Kostur said above, something as trivial as a driving test makes people nervous, imagine being at gun point facing multiple cops who are threatening to blow your head off.
The cop actually says that he's supposed to fall down face first if he even stumbles and will be shot if he breaks his fall with his hands. That's simply looking for an excuse to shoot the guy because there's no way he could ever possibly do that. Its fecking instinct.
I agree 100%. I was pulled over Thursday for a random breathalyser test and I won't lie, I was crapping my pants a bit, if you added a gun into the situation I don't know what I would have been like.
The police should feel protected and capable to deal with any situation thrown at them, they're too important an institution not to, but with each passing incident where there is a clear abuse of power, tragic misunderstanding or down right discrimination it becomes more and more obvious something has to be done because not only should people not only be gunned down needlessly but Police trust and respect will dwindle and in turn we will see more incidents like the ones in this thread.
Someone points a gun directly at you and tells you they're going to shoot you unless you do x, y and z, generally people become very compliant. I've been there and managed to follow instructions, that I didn't understand as my understanding of Arabic is minimal.
Why didn't he cuff him near the room, as they were responding to reports of a person aiming a rifle out of a window, so no cop is going to go near that door way to cuff someone and have their back to an open doorway. Let's not forget it's not that long ago a mass murder occurred, someone shooting out of a hotel window.
Yes officer was sacked and is a dick, but he's rightly cleared in my book, look at the footage, appreciate that hand going back towards his pocket and that they were dealing with reports of an armed person. Just because someone is visibly crying, does not mean they won't shoot you given the chance. That hand to me looks like it's going for the pocket, not to pull his pants up. They get a split second to make those calls.
He was being as compliant as physically possible. A mental misstep while following absurd and contradictory orders shouldn't be just cause for a manslaughter.
There were at least 2 officers, one could arrest him while he was on the ground while the cnut with a gun covered. He was no threat while on the ground, even when he was 'reaching for his pocket' the first option should be to physically restrain him. But no, as long as people like you are around who have no respect for the value of his life the police will get away with it.
Funny that as soon as they blasted the feck out of him they moseyed on over to 'the door no cop would go near' like they had all the time in the world...
But why does he need to shoot him several times? Just shoot him once in the leg or somewhere non-lethal.
These are only the scum that are caught (and even then it's clearly not enough!), just imagine how often this stuff happens that they get completely away with. The US justice system is in shambles on all levels.