Cop in America doing a bad job, again

VeevaVee said:
I don't think so. He still has whatever it is in his hand as he falls against the fence, but the cop picks the radio up from further away.
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So he does, looks small, like a multi tool or switchblade, mayyybe a taser?
 
Skizzo said:
:lol: Since we're on tangents already....

I believe any instance of "cops behaving badly" should be highlighted, addressed, and figured out how to avoid it happening again. I just usually take issue with how people sometimes tend to address all cops. We're human too, we make mistakes. Yes there are bad cops, just like there's bad accountants, fishermen, barristas, etc. obviously cops have a finer line for margin due to what they do, and dealing with people's right and civil liberties, and they should be held to a high standard, and the ones not fit for the job should be removed.

That being said, people seem to sometimes overlook that we get plenty of abuse just for being cops. I won't relate it to it being the same discrimination someone gets for the colour of their skin, but just because I chose to sign up to be an officer, that the abuse is should just be accepted to be a part of the territory. I signed up to try and make a difference and because I want to help. Does that mean I should just accept that people tell me they hope my kids are raped by black people? Just because I put on a uniform, a badge and a gun, doesn't mean I'm immune to making mistakes, and taking things home on my shoulders that I don't tell my family about, because I don't want them to have to try and imagine the things we see and deal with.

Just this weekend we had felony stops on the freeway with traffic flying by, tasers deployed in a hospital after someone high on meth tried to grab an officers gun, a guy with a hole through his leg from his motorcycle crash. Then I still have to be polite and professional to the next person I pull over for going 94 in a 65 that no he can't get a break, and then listen to how it's my fault and I ruined his day/weekend/life.

In my opinion, and yes I'm obviously biased :) is that there's so many cops you never hear anything about, that could tell you just as many, if not more, stories about what they have seen and dealt with, and never set a foot wrong. They shouldn't be taken for granted, or even worse, lumped into a "all cops are (insert choice of word here)".

/end long tangent that I said I wouldn't go into
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Wouldn't you get a lot less abuse though if it wasn't for all the highly publicized cases of bad behavior? Obviously it's just a minority of bad police, but the impression is that police rarely get charged with crimes or held to account by fellow officers. That might not even be true, but it's certainly the perception.
 
VeevaVee said:
NSFW / NSFL - if you watch this, you're watching someone die.


So this happened yesterday, or possibly today..not sure with the time difference.

Anyway, what's people's thoughts?
They were wresting on the ground...not grounds to kill someone.
But the kid grabs something from the officer's belt (if you watch a video in the comments you see this)...more of a threat..but then he starts to move away just before he gets shot.

There's a small argument that he was a threat, but there's a much bigger argument that the officer's life wasn't in danger and it could be handled entirely differently.
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From Facebook:

Don't take my word for it....
Richard Dencer:
"this happened less than a mile from my house,although im no fan of the police,this dude tried to rob a 99 cent store,then tried to rob the 7-11 across the street and failed he then took a young girl hostage, she escaped, cops show up he gets tasered with no effect then starts fighting the cop then goes for the cops belt,that will get you shot everytime."
 
Got a couple buddies that work there. Supposedly he thought the suspect might have taken his knife. It turned out to be his flashlight but wasnt sure at the time. Cop just pulled in to get some coffee and the suspect immediately confronted him and fight was on, landing a punch on the officer. Susp did grab for the officer's gun which isn't shown in the video.

Imo the susp wasn't an immediate threat as the officer did have space and time to give commands and use another force option. If he shot him right when the suspect reached for his gun then it would be totally justifiable. Supposedly he'll be cleared of the shooting depending on how he articulates his decisions in the investigation. Wouldn't be surprised if the suspect was high on something.
 
In late 2014 and early 2015, escalating tensions in New York City led to the NYPD staging a slowdown in which the department performed only its most essential duties. That might be expected to lead to an increase in crime, but a new analysis of official statistics shows the opposite: a significant drop in major crime for the period of the slowdown. Researchers are now arguing about what this tells us.
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https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/
 
Skizzo said:
Considering your quote is immediately followed by..
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...which is immediately followed by

But the arrest rate for non-major crime and narcotic offenses dropped, as did the number of stop-and-frisk events.
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The article then goes into why that might be the case:
Maybe people didn’t bother calling the cops during the slowdown?
the data suggests otherwise. The drop in major crime didn’t occur after the killing of Eric Garner, during the protests, or after the decision not to indict. In a similar seven-week window after the killing of Freddie Gray in April 2015, there was no comparable drop. So, public trust in police doesn’t seem to be the reason.
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Sullivan and O’Keeffe suggest that the absence of police activity itself is what led to the drop in crime. “The results,” they write, “imply that aggressively enforcing minor legal statutes incites more severe criminal acts.” Rather than proactive policing deterring major crime, Sullivan and O’Keeffe think it’s more likely that this kind of aggressive enforcement “disrupts communal life, which can drain social control of group-level violence.”
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There’s a lot to question here. As criminologist David Weisburd points out in a commentary in Nature News & Views, “proactive policing” can result in a huge array of different strategies, some of which have data indicating that they work. It’s difficult to take a finding from the exact strategy applied in New York, in a specific city in a very particular political climate, and generalize to other contexts. The natural experiment is “well-done social science, and, in this context, the results have strong weight,”
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berbatrick said:
...which is immediately followed by



The article then goes into why that might be the case:
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It wasn't a criticism of you, more the article that contradicts itself almost immediately.

It's an interesting finding, although as they say, 7 weeks is hardly a substantial time frame to articulate the reasoning behind the results.

It states proactive policing causes the issues, and also that proactive policing has been shown to work.

So they've done a good job covering all their bases.

I'd be interested in seeing those results play out over a longer time frame. Also to see how allowing narcotic offenses to continue unopposed.
 
JustAFan said:
Unfortunately or fortunately or maybe both guilt can not be based on a news article. A judge (in this case) has to weigh the evidence presented by the prosecution and the counter provided by the defense and determine if the prosecution has proven it's case beyond a reasonable doubt.

In theory anyways

Now I am not saying I think the cop is innocent, but that there is a huge difference between what we might see in a news story (which does not have to weigh the evidence) and what is presented in the actual trial.
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Or, maybe the judge is a piece of shit that feels only good guys deserve justice. There have been cases over the years of judges breaking the law in many ways, not being ethical, sending people to prison agreements with DAs, etc.
 
Skizzo said:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nett-incident-deny-claim-of-racial-profiling/

After clearing the casino, a team of officer's started heading toward Drai's nightclub, and while they were on the way there, they located Bennett.

"As they moved toward the nightclub, an individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached," McMahill sald. "Once Bennett was in the officer's view, he quickly ran out the south doors, jumped over a wall onto Flamingo Road East of Las Vegas Boulevard into traffic."

According to McMahill, the officers viewed Bennett's actions as suspicious, which is why he was handcuffed.

"Due to Bennett's actions, and the information the officer's had at the time, they believed that Bennett may have been involved in the shooting and they gave chase," McMahill said. "Bennett was placed in handcuffs and detained while officers determined whether or not he was involved in the incident."


In his statement, Bennett said his time in custody felt like an "eternity" due to the brutal way that the officers treated him.

McMahill said the Seahawks defensive end was in custody for 10 minutes.

"He was detained for approximately 10 minutes and released," McMahill said.

McMahill also added that Bennett told the officers that he "understood" why the situation happened after Vegas police explained it to him.
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Mrs Smoker said:
http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/29/michael-bennett-cops-to-show-body-cam-footage/
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Goes along with what you were saying. Seems like he acted in a suspect manner, causing the police to apprehend him.

Doesn't account for the full 10 minutes tho, neither does it discount anything else he claimed.

Not sure why he ran like that but I don't know how I'd react, quite possible I'd try to get the fcuk outta there too....

Do we have the full 10 minutes anywhere?
 
langster said:


What the actual feck? I suppose technically if the guy doesn't have a permit then the ticket is justified, but taking the mans cash too? Shit, that's harsh. A simple "move along" would have sufficed, and there certainly wasn't any need for the patronising "i'm serving the public" bullshit. Feck the police! Even the pretend ones too.

Although, don't feel too sorry for the dude, he's just been given over $30k via the GoFundMe set up for him :lol: Ironically, that ticket could possibly be the best thing that ever happened to him. If the Rent-A-Cop hadn't been such an arse and taken his cash too, it's unlikely he would have been given much sympathy at all.
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Why not a warning? Oh he's Mexican.
 
Skizzo said:
Weird how there's always more to a story than when people first post something.
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And unfortunately yet again the assumption is the officers were in the wrong.

It's worrying Bennett went to the lengths he did to condemn the officers as racist.
 


Arrested a teenage girl, who said she was raped by 2 officers. Doctors said there was signs of assault, officers said it was consensual. Consensual with someone handcuffed and detained? Officers only placed on desk duty so far.
 
Baxter said:


Arrested a teenage girl, who said she was raped by 2 officers. Doctors said there was signs of assault, officers said it was consensual. Consensual with someone handcuffed and detained? Officers only placed on desk duty so far.
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Wow...
 
ivaldo said:
And unfortunately yet again the assumption is the officers were in the wrong.

It's worrying Bennett went to the lengths he did to condemn the officers as racist.
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There's some stories that absolutely paint the officers involved in a bad light (as article above) where things should be investigated thoroughly.

But it's a little ridiculous that an athlete comes out and says XY and Z happened to him because he was a black man and the police are racist.

No, they did their job as best they could and you had XY and Z happen because you acted a certain way. Which could have been the end of it...but then he lies about it on social media. How does he help anyone with that? Idiot of the highest order.

As for the allegations with the teenager, I hope that's seriously looked at because even a "best case scenario" where it was consensual still raises plenty of red flags and violates all sorts.
 
Baxter said:


Arrested a teenage girl, who said she was raped by 2 officers. Doctors said there was signs of assault, officers said it was consensual. Consensual with someone handcuffed and detained? Officers only placed on desk duty so far.
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Yes, Shaun King's twitter is a totally unbiased news source right there. This event definitely happened the way he claims, all right. No doubt about it
 
here we go again...Video in the link.

Police in Utah fatally shot a man from behind while he was running away from officers, according to newly released footage, which has sparked accusations of racial profiling and a “brutal execution”.

Prosecutors in Salt Lake City have said officers were justified in killing Patrick Harmon, 50, who was pulled over for riding a bicycle without a light and who attempted to flee when police tried to arrest him. Police are not facing charges despite the fact that the body-camera footage captured officer Clinton Fox shouting “I’ll fecking shoot you!” from a distance before he fired three bullets into Harmon, who was running in the opposite direction.

The district attorney’s office claimed that Harmon said “I’ll cut you” and turned and faced officers with a knife as he was running. The video, however, raises questions about the narrative. Harmon cannot be heard making that threat and was running away from the officer, not facing him, when he was killed.

Salt Lake officials have claimed that the killing of Harmon was legal because the officers feared for their lives, even though the video, released to local media, revealed that Harmon was not advancing toward them. Another officer said he fired his Taser at the same time that Fox shot Harmon. The footage showed the officers handcuffing Harmon as he laid on the ground face-down, groaning in pain.

Civil rights activists said the killing of Harmon was the latest example of police brutality and a prejudiced criminal justice system in the US, where officers kill black men at disproportionately high rates. Data has shown that across the country, black citizens and people of color are stopped by police and targeted for low-level offenses at higher rates than white residents, and some reports have suggested that police stop and cite black cyclists for minor infractions with much greater frequency than others.

Police are rarely charged and almost never convicted for use of force in the US, where the law generally allows officers to use lethal force if they claim that they perceived a threat.

Police declined to answer questions about the case, but the chief, Mike Brown, said in a statement: “We trust the process and support the decision from district attorney Sim Gill. I believe our officers have the training and judgement and ability to make split-second decisions in dynamic situations.”

Gill added in a statement: “Officer Fox reasonably believed deadly force was necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself and/or others and therefore his use of deadly force was ‘justified’.”

“He was scared. All he did was run,” said Adriane Harmon, another niece, who was sobbing after watching the footage for the first time Thursday. “It hurts … They said ‘I’m going to kill you’ and they shot him three times. He’s just moaning on the ground.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...olice-shooting
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Thugs sent to Israel to be trained by security forces and then sent to police black communities in America. Thread name is deceptive as it is obvious that cops are doing the job they are expected and hired to do. Change must happen from the top.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ok, so nobody died but this has to be a new low, surely?
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FFS

But if they really want to do something about this, they have to look at their police academy training and first of all who they accept into it. If im not mistaken it's about 3-6 months depending on the state in the US, which is not enough.

Not saying there isn't dirty/racist/fecked up cops in other countries, but it seems to happen a lot more in the US than other western countries
 
Skizzo said:
It wasn't a criticism of you, more the article that contradicts itself almost immediately.

It's an interesting finding, although as they say, 7 weeks is hardly a substantial time frame to articulate the reasoning behind the results.

It states proactive policing causes the issues, and also that proactive policing has been shown to work.

So they've done a good job covering all their bases.

I'd be interested in seeing those results play out over a longer time frame. Also to see how allowing narcotic offenses to continue unopposed.
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I’m sure was more robberies but people just didn’t report, I had my car broken in and I called the police for nothing so the next time they broke in my car and stole a few computers I just called my boss, this was in Philadelphia. Here where I live in New Jersey the police got the finger prints from some guy who stole a few things inside my brother-in-law suv (we used to leave our cars unlocked but after the state decided to connect Camden to Trenton -train- with stops on every town our crime went up) anyway they found who did it and was arrested a few days later, Camden police was looking for him for a while.
 
From what I've seen cops in the east coast and even midwest are still very much stuck in the old school mentality and way of policing. I saw in that article the department was under a federal consent decree. LAPD was subjected to a consent decree after the rampart scandal in the 90s. Same thing needs to happen in a lot of the bigger metropolitan departments throughout the country and it won't happen unless there's a huge scandal or the city gets sued the shit out and hurts the city pocketbook.

Today some of the older officers talk about how lapd USED to be a great department "back in the good ol' days". But in all honesty they've grown and progressed from those dark days and are very professional compared to the rest of the country. That's what happens when you cough up millions in lawsuits. You change policy, training, procedure, hiring practices, reports and paperwork, etc.

We've had a couple of veteran east coast officers transfer to my dept throughout the years before i even started, and the stories I'd hear from my colleagues who worked with them were very shocking.

Things like nypd's stop and frisk policing personally disgusts me. And its surprising seeing how nyc is supposed to be very liberal and progressive
 
---“I tell you what, it’s going to get to the point where I could shoot one of these motherfeckers,” Nucera said in the recording, according to the Root. “And that n****r bitch lady, she almost got it.”

That wasn’t the first time the police chief was recorded threatening to kill Black people, either.

“These n****s are like ISIS, they have no value,” he allegedly said after arresting a Black suspect in 2015, according to The Courier-Post. “They should line them all up and mow ’em all down. I’d like to be on the firing squad, I could do it.”---

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/new-jersey-police-chief-hate-crime/?fb=dd

Police chief faces hate crime charges after multiple reported racist incidents
 
MrMarcello said:
---“I tell you what, it’s going to get to the point where I could shoot one of these motherfeckers,” Nucera said in the recording, according to the Root. “And that n****r bitch lady, she almost got it.”

That wasn’t the first time the police chief was recorded threatening to kill Black people, either.

“These n****s are like ISIS, they have no value,” he allegedly said after arresting a Black suspect in 2015, according to The Courier-Post. “They should line them all up and mow ’em all down. I’d like to be on the firing squad, I could do it.”---

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/new-jersey-police-chief-hate-crime/?fb=dd

Police chief faces hate crime charges after multiple reported racist incidents
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what the actual f...
 
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