Holy cow, I was reading this page bottom to top and didn't know you were quoting other people for a minute and was wondering what the hell is wrong with you.
I could not read the comments in any Fox News source without wanting to vomit.Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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Holy cow, I was reading this page bottom to top and didn't know you were quoting other people for a minute and was wondering what the hell is wrong with you.
I could not read the comments in any Fox News source without wanting to vomit.Tweets like this are inevitable after highly charged incidents. Rest assured policing isn't going anywhere, although there will be intense (but temporary) pressure to reform aspects of it.
I'm all for that - that's what should be the response here. There are some excellent analyses into the reduction in training that officers receive, the 'talent-pools' from which hiring is happening and the percentage of funding going to stupid stuff like weaponry.
Instead it's easy to say 'policing is racism'. It's a lovely soundbyte, a chunk of the population say you're sooooo deep and really get the historical context. Let's hold some seminars and get some money from think-tanks to see how we can do a long-term analysis of how 400 years has gotten us to where we are, and how America is a special thing with a special relationship and because of that only America gets how American policing could possibly work andif you don't acknowledge race is the root then you're racist yourself so walk the f*ck on and watch your pointy white cap doesn't catch on the way out.
It's performative reform. The American police system is not going to fix institutional racism. If you believe that racism is the fundamental foundation upon which the very concept of policing in America is built then you're never going to fix it. You're just going to moan about it, and say any sensible, tangible reform isn't enough. So huzzah, police=racist, defund the police, etc. Fits nicely on a poster for the riots.
It's always interesting to note the change in behaviour or lack thereof when another set of officers show up at a scene. In something like this.
In the video a car pulls up and a few more police officers get out. As they approach the incident one of the cops involved in the beating puts another boot in, seemingly without a care for who is approaching, and there's is no reaction that this is out of the ordinary from any of those newly arrived on the scene.
They'll dress this up as a few bad apples getting rightfully punished but these lads getting convicted won't change a thing.
In the video a car pulls up and a few more police officers get out. As they approach the incident one of the cops involved in the beating puts another boot in, seemingly without a care for who is approaching, and there's is no reaction that this is out of the ordinary from any of those newly arrived on the scene.
They'll dress this up as a few bad apples getting rightfully punished but these lads getting convicted won't change a thing.
You're damn right! Feck America! I would say that most of those people are complicit by default with the whole gun ownership/crime thing and institutionalised racism in every aspect of US life. If Sandy Hook and the hundreds of school shootings ain't enough to move you people to act then feck the lot of you. Just rip it up and start again.
Hearing Tyre Nichols calling out for his mum as he's beaten to death is just too much man.
I don't think it's quite that easy here. Memphis is about 60% black; whites are the visible minority. The Police Chief is black, and I may be mistaken, but I think the city's administration is mostly black. I expect the police union is as well. If the offending cops were white they might be afforded gentler treatment on the basis of minority status rather than privilege, but I'm not at all convinced they would be treated any differently in this case.
Indeed. It’s like someone asking why America’s prison-industrial complex has anything to do with slavery.
I disagree, it's an outdated Constitution that is the real problem
I only look now and then to see what is being said, and sometimes to add a comment to wind them upHoly cow, I was reading this page bottom to top and didn't know you were quoting other people for a minute and was wondering what the hell is wrong with you.
But the reality is that there's a significant number of people think like this, you should see the Paul Pelosi thread!
When you see this stuff it makes you wonder how long it will be before there really is some kind of civil war
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The USA was founded off the back of one to start with
The complicating factor is that in the interim between the last BLM protests (George Floyd) and now, police killings are higher than ever before.
So I'm not sure how much PR or wanting to prevent riots matters to police - it certainly means more overtime pay! Maybe someone in the chain of command personally disliked this video, and so decided to take action.
What do you think the relation between police and minorities in the rest of the world is?
I can't seem to fathom why this has happened?
Is there something underlying here? Police brutality has been linked partly to racism before but in this case its diminished by the perpetrators being black.
Why did those 5 police officers beat an innocent guy they didn't know to death? A toxic culture in their unit?
Is there something underlying here? Police brutality has been linked partly to racism before but in this case its diminished by the perpetrators being black.
Why did those 5 police officers beat an innocent guy they didn't know to death? A toxic culture in their unit?
Don't forget the time they had a family handcuffed and down on the hot asphalt when it was over 100 degrees with the babies screaming. The stolen vehicle they were after was actually a motorcycle not a family wagon. Cops in America are a pack of dumb abusive cnuts.
A toxic culture prone to violence, thoroughly desensitized and jaded and lacking any semblence of empathy, it's not just their unit, it's a vast swathe of the population of the United States. Not everyone by any measure but a big slice unfortunately.
As others have aluded to, police in America were originally slave hunters. Then they became legitimate when slavery was abolished but never got rid of the mentality.
Police in any country have their fair share of bullies who never left the playground and power trips to the max because of the authority. Add in guns everywhere and media messaging that criminals are everywhere so you need guns everywhere and everyone is terrified, suspicious and completely fecked in the head. Not a good thing if you're a police officer having to suspect everyone is gonna kill you, not a good thing if you're stopped and you suspect the police officers are gonna kill you either.
It’s not quite as simple as saying race didn’t play a part just because the 5 officers were black.
The fact is people in America, but especially the police, view a black person as inherently more dangerous than an equivalent white person. Whatever the race of the officer, this fundamental fact which is subconsciously present amongst police, and reaffirmed throughout their training, and in every day society.
Therefore the question isn’t if the officers are black why did this happen, but rather if the victim was not black, would this have happened?
That’s the hardest thing to take. The fact that from the cctv video he appears to be already out and they are holding him up so each can keep punching him.
Even in street attacks, unless if alcohol is involved, there usually comes a stage where at least one will realise it’s going too far and stop it. But in this there wasn’t.
Don’t know if he is right or wrong. My dad saw it, he thinks there must have been a previous issue and it seemed very personal. Exact words “looks like they are taking out vengeance”. Before anyone jumps on his head, he is old and comes from a time when walking the streets at night would often see him get stopped by passers by asking him if he needed a lift or if he’s car had broken down etc.
I said diminished, not 'race didnt play a part'. I dont think this would have happened if the victim was white. But I am still shocked it happened to a black man at the hands of black officers.
Yeah, it certainly is. I was thinking the Rodney King video was the slightly worse of the two last night, but the defenselessness & the ability to hear what the cops were saying / how they were acting makes this video far worse.
It did seem very personal, but that just might have been the zeitgeist of the SCORPION unit, always 'us against them.' They actually fist bumped on the CCTV video soon after Nichols was leaned up against the car. Two other people came out & said that the unit did the same thing to them (pulling over for no reason / minor reason) & the interaction turned physical & ugly quickly. One of the victims called in to Internal Affairs twice, but no one ever got back with him. If someone from IA had done so, the Tyre Nichols murder may never have happened.
I’ve heard this. But looking at both the videos I think even if they were white they would have been fired straight away.
Do they ever fecking learn?
The sheer aggressiveness from American police is just something else. Even traffic stops are approached as life-or-death situations.
Do you think that when the incident involves Black Police Officers it does not get the same attention as when it involves White Officers? I have this terrible feeling that there might be more cases like this but there was no outrage just because it was a Black officer and the victim was Black. This current case might be different because it was 5 of them and it was kinda hard to ignore.
Given the likelihood of a gun appearing it's not hard to understand why, doesn't excuse what happens sometimes
With there being more guns than people in my country, a routine traffic stop can be far from routine.
But going into a traffic stop in the mentality those five officers had is unacceptable.
It's the sheer aggressiveness from a large percentage of Americans, in general, that's worrying. This is not to defend what they did but it seems like everyone is out to kill.
To you it may seem like it but that is not the case, the problem is that the cops don't know if someone is armed or not and because guns are readily available they automatically assume as a default that they are, I k ow if it was me I would!
Yes, if you watch bodycam video 1 he was very compliant and when they kept abusing him he got free and ran. Made them look really incompetent. They took their revenge.
I believe cal also posted the unit's motto 'if you run, you pay' or something.
That might be the case. As is also the case that when the death by police is more “ambiguous” then the white officer is more likely to get better treatment by the Police Union.
I think this video is very different to any that we’ve seen before race goes out of the window when dealing with it. Even subconscious biases can no longer be applied, because it’s a very brutal murder caught on video. My only surprise is why did it take 20 days to charge them, and why have 4 been able to post bond.
That does show a different standard for police officers. If a dead body was discovered, and then cctv showed me & you beating that person to death. A murder investigation would be launched straight away. Possible that during those 20 days they were investigating the victim more.
saw something on twitter today from a black journalist that caught my attention...
he basically said if you took the mug shots and just put the title of the article 5 black men arrested and charged with murder of another black man.....most people wouldn't blink an eye simply b/c that has been common place in certain cities and communities in america.
but you take that same article and put them in police uniforms and it absolutely blows up and turns people into groups that want to protest and riot. Was that b/c police are held to a different standard whether black or white? is it a pre-programming reaction that people have now?
he basically said if you took the mug shots and just put the title of the article 5 black men arrested and charged with murder of another black man.....most people wouldn't blink an eye simply b/c that has been common place in certain cities and communities in america.
but you take that same article and put them in police uniforms and it absolutely blows up and turns people into groups that want to protest and riot. Was that b/c police are held to a different standard whether black or white? is it a pre-programming reaction that people have now?
Police are there to protect and serve, that's their job, of course it's a different standard
The post still applies if I used the diminished vs what I wrote.
Wtf is with cops being total f**king nutjobs with gang mentality. Watched the edited video and it was still so freaking disturbing. Don't dare imagine what the real video looks like. fecking hell. If I was watching that and could not see uniforms and flashing light, I'd think those were some thugs committing extreme violence. 5 huge dudes ganging on a 27-year old skinny kid. This country is going to hell it seems.
Cops have license to kill.
So you think police shouldn’t be held to a different standard and be allowed to act on their whims and desires when dealing with people?
Riots and violence is what it has more likeliness to succeed. Peaceful protests accomplishes close to nothing and disrupts nothing
I don't have balls to be a (street) police in US, no matter how much they pay. You risk your life, even when giving speeding ticket.
In the positions of power these Police animals were in (officers don’t apply to these feral beings in particular), they certainly deserve to be behind bars for the rest of their natural life.
Ideally a Supermax, the ones where the cells are tiny concrete, windowless and dull, and they are in them 23 hours a day, let out only too a court yard where the sky is covered and they quite literally never see the light of day ever again. Until Their brains are mush.
the footage is quite undeniable, they literally used their power from the law, pulled a compliant guy from his car and beat him to a pulp until he breathed no more. Supermax please
Ideally a Supermax, the ones where the cells are tiny concrete, windowless and dull, and they are in them 23 hours a day, let out only too a court yard where the sky is covered and they quite literally never see the light of day ever again. Until Their brains are mush.
the footage is quite undeniable, they literally used their power from the law, pulled a compliant guy from his car and beat him to a pulp until he breathed no more. Supermax please