Cop in America doing a bad job, again

nimic said:
Really? He squared up to him and then said he was proud that he shot the man's dog. Some de-escalation.

His wife was actually trying to de-escalate, by trying to get him to come inside.
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Sometimes squaring up to someone rather than cowering/apologising is precisely what de-escalates a situation.

The deputy only "squared up" when the guy was trying to enter onto what I assume is the rear deck of the property. Maybe you neglected to hear that the guy threatened to shoot the Deputy around the 0:38-0:40 Sec mark in the clip.

When leaving the property he shouted "You fcuked with the wrong marine"

I cannot say whether the shooting was justified or not, knowing America, it is possible that the cop overreacted. But to pretend as if the owner was not negligent in firstly securing his dog or that he did not enter onto the guy's property in a disrespectful and aggressive manner is ludicrous.

Society seems to have devolved into where either you're a '100% right or a 100% wrong/ if you're not with us you're against us ' form of discourse that I find quite disturbing. It promotes a degree of intolerance that does no one any good in my opinion
 
I can’t not hear Jack Nicholson every time I read the “you fecked with the wrong marine” quote.
 
calodo2003 said:
I believe it is policy. Maybe not in this situation though.

@Skizzo?
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Scene security and then medical assistance. That being said, that’s based on a situation where you know someone was armed or combative and you don’t want to focus on doing things without the party and weapons being secured etc. I’m not sure what happened here or what led up to the contact like this, so I’m not sure if weapons were involved or not.
 
Goalfather said:
I don't know what else to say!!

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I shudder to think of how many times this stuff happened in the past, when there weren't cameras in 100% of people's pockets. Of course, it's still happening anyway, so... yeah. It reminds me of the overwhelming amounts of instances of police brutality during the George Floyd protests. Sometimes against clearly marked live TV crews.

I guess the presence of a camera made it less likely he ended up shot for resisting or something.
 
nimic said:
I shudder to think of how many times this stuff happened in the past, when there weren't cameras in 100% of people's pockets. Of course, it's still happening anyway, so... yeah. It reminds me of the overwhelming amounts of instances of police brutality during the George Floyd protests. Sometimes against clearly marked live TV crews.

I guess the presence of a camera made it less likely he ended up shot for resisting or something.
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You can see from the blonde cop's body language that he really wanted to put the hurt on the black guy.
 
@calodo2003 another example of what you were asking about earlier. At this point they went straight to addressing the injuries. Sometimes the officers need to take that second to assess and see what the proper course of action should be. As soon as the threats over, “suspect” changes to “patient” and medical attention needs to go towards whatever injuries were sustained from the use of force.

 
entropy said:
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https://breaking911.com/witnesses-s...q_rWxep-935PYrePYZ1Ml4V7BGDUdICj4HaHttvOaenUQ

Our review of the investigation revealed the defendant, although she denied having a weapon at the time of the encounter with law enforcement officers, continually displayed a weapon during her encounter with police officers and also appeared to be attempting to flee. The two officers stated that she was armed with what they believed to be a handgun. Body camera footage confirms the officers’ statements that Hale was holding a handgun. Still photos, taken from body cam footage, of this encounter also demonstrate a weapon was present and in the hands of the defendant.
 
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What a fecking useless piece of shit. He should be paraded in a walk of shame in the streets of Buffalo with a huge sign that says "I'm the useless 911 dispatcher who let 10 innocents down" around his neck and then get spat on by the angry populace.
 
Goalfather said:
I guess you are an expert in de-escalation.

Some may see him getting an angry man off your property without violence as de-escalation.

But to each his own. I guess
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I'm curious as to what kind of training you have in use of force and de-escalation.
 
It feels like the cop killings have been on a bit of a hiatus with all the mass shootings taking centre stage recently but I'm guessing there's been more than enough to go around.

It's absolutely mindblowing that you're no safer from the people meant to protect you than all the nutjobs sporting their AR-15s. It just adds another layer to the already fecked up dynamic that exists in the US.

What a mess!
 
Halftrack said:
I'm curious as to what kind of training you have in use of force and de-escalation.
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I was a law enforcement officer for about 3 and a half years of my life and I was trained in the use of force and de-escalation
 
Goalfather said:
I was a law enforcement officer for about 3 and a half years of my life and I was trained in the use of force and de-escalation
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So the uvalde police on a response in a mass shooting in a school
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
What a fecking useless piece of shit. He should be paraded in a walk of shame in the streets of Buffalo with a huge sign that says "I'm the useless 911 dispatcher who let 10 innocents down" around his neck and then get spat on by the angry populace.
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Can I ask why you think it was a male dispatcher?
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Can I ask why you think it was a male dispatcher?
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A link in the posted article has the caller identifying the 911 Operator as "She", so no need to even guess.

"She was yelling at me, saying, 'Why are you whispering? You don't have to whisper,'" Rogers said, "and I was telling her, 'Ma'am, he's still in the store. He's shooting. I'm scared for my life. I don't want him to hear me. Can you please send help?' She got mad at me, hung up in my face."
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Tops worker says 911 dispatcher hung up on her during shooting. The dispatcher is now on leave and faces termination. | Local News | buffalonews.com
 
Goalfather said:
I was a law enforcement officer for about 3 and a half years of my life and I was trained in the use of force and de-escalation
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Then I'm even more curious as to how you think the guy was doing anything that could be considered de-escalation. Half of what came out of his mouth was shit that was liable to escalate the whole situation.

He shot a large dog with a pellet gun, which is not something you do if you intend to put it down. It's something you do if you're a sadistic sack of shit. Maybe his original idea was "pellet gun won't kill it, but it'll give it a scare and cause it to run off" but he didn't seem remorseful about causing a dog's slow and painful death, so presumable he's just a sadistic asshole.
 
Halftrack said:
Then I'm even more curious as to how you think the guy was doing anything that could be considered de-escalation. Half of what came out of his mouth was shit that was liable to escalate the whole situation.

He shot a large dog with a pellet gun, which is not something you do if you intend to put it down. It's something you do if you're a sadistic sack of shit. Maybe his original idea was "pellet gun won't kill it, but it'll give it a scare and cause it to run off" but he didn't seem remorseful about causing a dog's slow and painful death, so presumable he's just a sadistic asshole.
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In that case you shoot it in the arse, not a kill shot behind the shoulder blade.
 
Halftrack said:
Then I'm even more curious as to how you think the guy was doing anything that could be considered de-escalation. Half of what came out of his mouth was shit that was liable to escalate the whole situation.

He shot a large dog with a pellet gun, which is not something you do if you intend to put it down. It's something you do if you're a sadistic sack of shit. Maybe his original idea was "pellet gun won't kill it, but it'll give it a scare and cause it to run off" but he didn't seem remorseful about causing a dog's slow and painful death, so presumable he's just a sadistic asshole.
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This is what I said earlier in this thread

Sometimes squaring up to someone rather than cowering/apologising is precisely what de-escalates a situation.

The deputy only "squared up" when the guy was trying to enter onto what I assume is the rear deck of the property. Maybe you neglected to hear that the guy threatened to shoot the Deputy around the 0:38-0:40 Sec mark in the clip.

When leaving the property he shouted "You fcuked with the wrong marine"

I cannot say whether the shooting was justified or not, knowing America, it is possible that the cop overreacted. But to pretend as if the owner was not negligent in firstly securing his dog or that he did not enter onto the guy's property in a disrespectful and aggressive manner is ludicrous.

Let me draw a scenario for you and I want you to tell me what is your likely response.

An angry guy enters onto your property with his camera pointed at your face and screaming obscenities. He threatens to shoot you and actually makes the first few tentative steps to enter onto your back porch. Your wife is behind you and your kids are inside. What steps are you going to take to get him off your property?
 
Goalfather said:
An angry guy enters onto your property with his camera pointed at your face and screaming obscenities. He threatens to shoot you and actually makes the first few tentative steps to enter onto your back porch. Your wife is behind you and your kids are inside. What steps are you going to take to get him off your property?
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I probably wouldn't tell him I was proud that I shot his dog.
 
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