this is scandalous if true. Can you point me to the legislation that stripped away the power of SPD to confront the suspect and protect the children?
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this is scandalous if true. Can you point me to the legislation that stripped away the power of SPD to confront the suspect and protect the children?
What was the excuse in Ulvade, Texas?
In general, I thought the Defund the Police slogan was dumb when I first heard it but every other week since then, US cops are doing tremendous work in convincing me that those activists are right.
Sometimes you forget just how insular some Americans can be. 
There's no excuse for any of it ....but how can you regulate for some fuked up individual that targets kids??? Cops can't control that narrative
cmon now....if you've watched any of the news with what is going on in san francisco and seattle you wouldn't need to ask that question
hell they just recalled the DA in San Francisco b/c teh crime has gotten so bad there without fear of prosecution
He went to a gun store when he turned 18 and legally bought an AR-15. That seems like a pretty good place to start.
100% agreed....that should NEVER be allowed. Again though that has to do with politics and law not the Cops.
Doesn't South Carolina have a significantly higher crime rate than California? Is that because your state is so soft on crime? Just going off the location in your profile.
that's also a misleading figure simply b/c of reported crimes versus non reported crimes
I'm not from the US, could you explain this?
The heart of the problem is gross misuse of a massive budget into stuff that does not improve the quality of policing in the US at all (i.e. buying military-level hardware). If defunding forces PDs to use money far more responsibly and to invest where it matters to increase the quality of the average cop by several notches, then it's worth it. Neither the Brits, the Germans, the Norwegians nor the Finns have anything near American police budgets, but those countries know how to invest properly for whatever money they get.
pretty straightforward in that they based their numbers and crime rate based on what crimes are reported to the police and base it on the per capita of that particular state
end of the day though....people in the US right now aren't as concerned about being prosecuted for committing crimes regardless of the state they live in
They can control how they respond. They didn't.
must read article for those who have been misled by media hysteria over rising crime rate when reality says otherwise
https://jacobin.com/2022/05/sf-da-crime-recall-chesa-boudin-wealthy
https://jacobin.com/2022/05/sf-da-crime-recall-chesa-boudin-wealthy
Not necessarily remove authority, but more cops are choosing not to enforce anything or confront criminals and instead choosing career survival. It’s just not worth it. Let the scumbags leave the scene and just take a report. Why confront them and possibly use force if they resist, and end up getting thrown under the bus because the DA/chief/mayor/joeblowcitizen thinks you’re in the wrong. Doesn’t help that in places like LA and SF even if you do arrest criminals they’re out the door with a citation before you’re even finished with the report, so they can carry on committing crimes.
I can assure you, as an Angelino, it’s not media hysteria. But maybe other resident Californians especially those in SF and LA can share their thoughts on crime and safety where they live.
that's pretty damn spot on
So cops are choosing to defraud the people who pay them by actively refusing to do what they are paid to do and you're cool with that? If I did that at my job, for whatever reason, I would be fired. Must be nice to have such great job security you can just refuse to do what you are paid for. Sure, you guys/gals are frustrated by the perceived lack of support by the public, but your profession EARNED the publics distrust and fear. Rampart? Rodney King? That's just LAPD. Your job is hard, it is dangerous, and probably incredibly dispiriting, but tough shit. LE is paid to do a job and they should do it or find another.
This. If cops don't like the totality of the terms of their jobs, they can feel free to leave. But then they should not have bothered enlisting in police training, which is (I insist and I will insist it until I die) utterly deficient in the US, in the first place.
I never said I was cool with that, but it has become the attitude of many. I don't even understand it myself. But it isn't exactly "actively refusing to do their job". It's just a less proactive approach and still doing your job without having to put yourself in needlessly risky situations.
just like people are wanting to defund the police and put them in a position of exposure to harm? Stick cameras in their face trying to entice them into confrontation?
it works both ways....but only one side recognizes that
There hasn’t been any substantive defunding of police in my country at all. In fact, police budgets on average have gone up.
Wishing defunding v. actually not doing your job. I know what’s worse.
Why do you think cops are on camera so often?
It will be interesting to see the reporting or studies into the rise of the police failing to get involved, if there is one.
I recall that there was a supreme court judgment back in 2005 that said they didn't have a duty to protect..
I recall that there was a supreme court judgment back in 2005 that said they didn't have a duty to protect..
Yup, in Norway you literally have to complete a bachelor’s degree to become a cop.
I'm sorry, you have to help me out here.
You say it works both ways. One of the ways is to defraud the people, and the other way is to cut public funding to a public institution. What I'm asking is, what are you talking about?
Teachers have to get a master now, cops better shape up.
In the US any education makes you less likely to be hired
defraud the people? police in certain parts of the country have their hands literally tied by the local DA's you see examples of it in San Francisco and Seattle on a daily basis. The people go into a store and loot without any fear of prosecution so what do you expect the cops to do when they can't stop them
There is so much BS about the US Police force that is taken as truth and so little credit given it's incredible.
We need a Cop In the USA is Doing his/her Job Thread.
We need a Cop In the USA is Doing his/her Job Thread.
Elaborate on the BS.
Why? They're doing the job they're paid.
Progressives denying that people are feeling unsafe in these big metro cities is somewhat similar to right-wing using stats to show how police violence against Blacks gets overblown because of some other numbers around Black on Black violence. The notion that media campaign and propaganda has led to some portion of the populace to feel more unsafe in last few years seems flimsy. Just anecdotally, I knew many folks living in Bay area who have been voicing their quality of life being impacted by petty crime for last ~3 years now. I am not saying that is due to progressive policies by DA or any other officials, that part of the inference is a bit overblown in the media. But denying that it is a problem is an issue with some on the left.
Even if we accept that departments are being defunded (they’re not) there is not even a close equivalence between having fewer resources and choosing to not do you job.
As for the camera thing? The use of cameras is a necessary these days. LE has proved itself to be unreliable and dishonest in its actions and subsequent reporting.
I was inferring from your “it’s not worth it” that you were commiserating. If not, then apologies.
Observing and ignoring crime (like the officer in Seattle that kicked off this discussion) us, in my mind, actively refusing to do the job.
Yeah, and it's a fecking horrible job when any and all suspects can be just as if not better armed then you; and then we ask why they are on the edge?
The police force in the US with their insane gun laws are akin almost to war zones in terms of stress. You have a society that gives guns to any half wit and then complain that the police are on the edge and rather violent.
The police is not the fecking problem. The gun laws are.
Why does it have to be either or? Clearly it's both. Or should we just ignore the George Floyd's of this world where cops kill at will regardless of whether there's a gun in the equation or not.
I'd make a list, but best to just read the last 216 pages, which probably doesn't even paint the full picture.
And again, doesn't have to be the only problem, but it certain is one of the bigger problems.
It's not as if they don't know the gun laws before they take the job. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Cops here in the UK are daily at risk, doesn't mean they get off scott free for their mistakes. They earn a decent crust because its a dangerous job.
Not for the want of trying..
The US police have an incredibly well organised and powerful union, which along with qualified immunity has for a long time led to really low accountability.
In the UK the police and the support infrastructure protect their own too.