Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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A local "routine traffic stop"
http://wspa.com/2017/07/22/guns-ammo-seized-during-traffic-stop-in-greenville-police-say/
Seized a crap ton of guns and ammo
http://wspa.com/2017/07/22/guns-ammo-seized-during-traffic-stop-in-greenville-police-say/
Seized a crap ton of guns and ammo
Has this been discussed?
http://m.chron.com/news/houston-tex...ompson-terminated-from-sheriff-s-11306134.php
Video
http://m.chron.com/news/houston-tex...ompson-terminated-from-sheriff-s-11306134.php
Video
Below is one where the cop actually did a good job:
Here's security camera footage. The man was intoxicated but didn't deserve being murdered for urinating on the ground. Wow.
In how many other professions are you placed in a situation where you are expected to be shot at by a bad guy, defend yourself and then immediately save the same guy's life while he begs you for help?
WARNING: graphic.
WARNING: graphic.
Officers went above and beyond their duty...a man tried to take their life then begs then to save his. Crazy shit.
Not to mention the officer was so quick to render aid, he didn't even glove up or take precautions in regards to the guys blood.
This is truly beautiful
I'm sure it's not an US policing problem tho.... A few bad apples right? Care to comment? @Skizzo / @choiboyx012
cnut playing to his base/deplorables.
First off, its Trump making a joke. A bad joke, and poorly timed in the grand scheme of things, but a joke nonetheless. He's not known for his tact.
The response for the people there? You'd have to ask them. The guy commentating was playing everything up way beyond what was actually happening. "Whooping and hollering. Yeahhh!" I heard clapping. His commentary on the matter is just as inflammatory as Trump making stupid comments (which I agree, was stupid).
Lastly, surely the fact that different departments and officials have come out and denounced his comments and said they don't agree with them, should count for something?
According to the guy commentating, I'm a police thug and don't care about the public? He says the fact that departments came out and disagreed with Trumps comments shows that we're all backtracking and trying to somehow defend him?
Seems clear that nothing would change that guys mind, and based on all his comments and hyperbole, he's not a fan of any cops since he's decided all of us are the same, regardless of the ones who's already come out and spoke against Trumps comments.
Those are my thoughts at least. Did that answer your question?
Would you have laughed? Would you have looked visibly uncomfortable? Do you think individuals coming out after the fact to condemn it excuses the 'joke' (many a true feeling expressed in jest) and the reaction?
It's something, but I find the preceding events to be more telling. It is what it is, not scripted, not curated...
I expected you to give the answer that you gave (call it a joke, point to the condemnation after the fact, not comment on the crowd reaction, blame the host) as it's the same answer that every other PO or somewhat connected talking head has given. I'd have been pleasantly surprised if you deviated...
So yes, I guess you have answered my question.
Edit: This bit is moreso for the Trump thread but you guys (Americans) carry on excusing the behaviour of your president. 'Trump behind Trump' etc... let's see where that takes ya...
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I just took it as you yelling at me.As for the "you guys" excusing Trump..well, I'm not American, nor do I like Trump.
what would you have liked me to deviate to? I gave you an honest answer that Trump made a stupid comment, people reacted, other people condemned it, that I didn't agree with his comments, and that the host egged things on.
If you want me to just say all cops are evil and Boo America, then just say so.
To be fair...
1. I've laughed at jokes containing material and topics I strongly disagree with. I've heard Seinfeld joke about police roughing up suspects during apprehension, then gently reminding the suspect to bend the head to avoid hitting it on the frame. Given the times we're in, it is bad optics, but I probably wouldn't look too far into it.
2. Many police departments at the local, state and federal level have released statements condemning the essence behind Trump's comments, recognizing that suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and should be treated with the utmost professionalism.
Yea you just literally reiterated the same thing. I don't know, for me, I wouldn't be cheering or clapping, I'd be looking dead into the faces of the people around me, but that's how I am and probably why I have a hard time relating.
Your point 2 is obviously a good thing but it doesn't negate what actually happened at the event. FWIW I'm fully consistent, I'm that guy that doesn't laugh at those 'jokes' and makes it clear, no matter how uncomfortable that makes people around me.
No. I'd rather you didn't pretend that you don't have problems in the police force and in the country as a whole... I know you think I'm hard on you but someone has to be. Normalisation is setting in and you don't seem to think there are any issues, everything is as it should be?
I mean feck me, the president of the US making jokes about police brutality and a bunch of high ranking people laughing heartily at it.... Jesus.
I'm not denying that it's bad optics, and that there is a possibility that internally, some people there agreed with Trump's comments (which were extremely irresponsible).
Frankly, I'm less concerned about this, and more concerned about the "tough on crime" stance the current administration is taking, a roll back from Obama's tenure when there was more of an emphasis on fixing police-public relations and introducing criminal justice reform policies. The Sessions-Trump combo would not look out of place in the 70s, a sad indictment.
Where did I pretend there's no issues in the police force or the country? You asked my opinion on this specific incident, and I told you. I've criticized other instances they have been discussed on here, and said there's plenty of work to be done to get things to where they should be. Both in terms of policies and general public relations.
It's true. Some wear a badge
Where did I pretend there's no issues in the police force or the country? You asked my opinion on this specific incident, and I told you. I've criticized other instances they have been discussed on here, and said there's plenty of work to be done to get things to where they should be. Both in terms of policies and general public relations.
It's true. Some wear a badge
I'm just glad Afro is around to give you such a hard time, there just aren't enough people willing to put in the hard graft of absolutely slating American officers, with absolutely generic and unequivocal condemnation, these days.
Lord knows what you'd be up to otherwise, you over empowered, heartless, lawbreaking thug.
I'm just going by the posts I've seen not the ones I haven't. So I accept I may be wrong...
Like I said tho, you went straight to police defence force mode. You tend to whenever I see your posts.
Jokes aside, what's your point? I should lay off him? Or police in general? If it's the former then fair enough, the latter? Fcuk off...
That's shocking.
Even beyond the totally unabashed racism, how long it took to seemingly stop trying to defend him!
How that man rose to his rank would be a big concern of mine.
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My opinion on the story is there's much worse going on and worth talking about. I don't think it's fair to categorically say that it's indicative of anything more than a bunch of officers laughing and clapping at a shit joke made by their president, I think it reflects more on Trump than anyone lined up behind him, I've long given up hope for any remote kind of accountability for anything he says though.
I think the presenter is extremely poor. It's inflammatory, narrow minded and prejudiced in itself to broad brush the way he does. In many ways it's like a mirror image of idiocy. Trumps a moron for saying it, you would hope officers would react with more sense and the presenter shouldn't make ridiculously unfair extrapolations about literally all police in America.
It's a fool's debate.
I think it's a pointless thread at this stage. You provocatively call into the thread two American police officers then immediately dismiss their contribution. Did you ever want their opinion because you show no respect for it? You immediately patronise and point score 'I knew you'd say that' whilst telling us how you see yourself as the arbiter of justice in calling out comments and not following the herd. Give me a break.
There's no win. It's been done to death, people think there's plenty of officers doing a good job, people condemn illegal or immoral acts by police, people try to talk about gun culture and America's unique issues but it always comes back to the same conversation over and over and no-one learns, moves on or changes.
I appreciate these 2 guys doing their best to explain what they think though, less so your contributions.
- classic police defending just what I expected, I'm so clever, go feck yoursef and your choice of career - there I saved you the bother!
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I took a break from shaving kittens to check this notification.
This is more of an indictment of your own stubborn views and prejudices than anything else to be honest. @Skizzo gives an honest account of how he saw things and you call him a 'talking head'. It's alarming you don't see your own hypocrisy in all this.
I said he had the same response as the talking head. Seriously, typical redcafe. Make it about the poster not the subject....
I can't relate, you can. It is what it is.
Why? Because it's not a good look. Why isn't it a good look?
Why's that then? Because it highlights something that you don't particularly want to talk about?
What are you even talking about? I ask his opinion and he says what I expected him to say. I let him know that.... What's the big deal? Did you think I hurt his feelings or something? Respect? Did I disrespect him? The guys supposed to be a police officer I would have thought this discussion would wash over him like water...
Damn son
Exaggerate much? You guys really need to read a post and not a feeling. Anyone would think I compared myself to MLK.
So exit the thread then? What are you expecting to be discussed in here? I was actually hoping for the police in here to engage in a conversation rather than just trying to explain shite away. Maybe tell us how they think things can improve, maybe discuss some of the more unexplainable fcukries posted in here. C'est la vie...
Feel free to put me on ignore....
Such a pointless comment, basically you don't like the fact that I'm criticising the police, you seem to think I'm trying to make this about me? You can't stand to read it?
Well.... Bye?
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Aside from the fact that I didn't call him a talking head, what exactly is my prejudices, views and hypocrisies?
And you too...
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Deary me.
Have a good evening mate.
Have a good evening mate.
You've said he gave the same answer, you're arguing semantics now, the point is the same regardless.
You complain about cops stereotyping, and then stereotype cops, repeatedly.
See @Duafc post, it sums it up nicely.
Sums what up? And how is it semantics? We're all different people so I don't expect us all to see eye to eye, but at least read what I'm saying and don't put words in my mouth. I asked you what are my prejudices, views and hypocrisies?
I literally just said how it's arguing semantics, the point is still the same but instead of tackling the point you want to talk about how I said you called him a talking head as opposed to having the same opinion as a talking head. Essentially you've accused him of towing the line, so it doesn't matter either way, or would you care to explain to unsubtle differences?
You generalise cops and then complain about their stereotyping, you're so entrenched in your negative perceptions of a vastly varied group of men and women you can't see it.
Where? Where do I do this?
I'm talking about cops defending bad cops, even when there's not enough info to do so. I'm talking about cops being unwilling to accept that there's a problem with policing. Nothing will get better until this starts to happen, until there's more introspection in the US police system, training, diversity, weeding out the bad fcuking eggs...
But here we are talking about me and my supposed hypocrisies and prejudices
Wait so it's that I said he's toeing the party line then? Ok that's fair. I think that towing the party line and palming it off as a joke and some clueless police officers laughing at said totally inappropriate and unfunny joke is naive at best... At worst, you work it out.
There you go again, I don't know if they'll recall but I've already told both cops that I think it's a minority so I don't know where you're going with this. You need to actually read my posts...
Edit: Following to its natural conclusion you must think that I think @choiboyx012 and @Skizzo are corrupt, racist, etc? I'm sure I've told them that I don't think that, they could be, I don't know them. I just think they are in that police family/brotherhood, just like repubs who don't/won't criticise Trump. Doesn't mean they condone all his shite, they have their reasons for not doing so. I don't get it, but I can't relate. I don't like something I say it....
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Which is fine and I entirely agree, but starting with the assumption the police officer will do something wrong or is a bad apple is not the way to do it, especially when you are expecting the officer to have a similarly unbiased view on, say, you as a black man. That's hypocrisy mate, by its very definition, and having that generic view of an officer is a big part of the problem.Where? Where do I do this?
I'm talking about cops defending bad cops, even when there's not enough info to do so. I'm talking about cops being unwilling to accept that there's a problem with policing. Nothing will get better until this starts to happen, until there's more introspection in the US police system, training, diversity, weeding out the bad fcuking eggs...
But here we are talking about me and my supposed hypocrisies and prejudices
Wait so it's that I said he's toeing the party line then? Ok that's fair. I think that towing the party line and palming it off as a joke and done clueless police officers laughing at said totally inappropriate and unfunny joke is naive at best... At worst, you work it out.
There you go again, I don't know if they'll recall but I've already told both cops that I think it's a minority so I don't know where you're going with this. You need to actually read my posts...
You've invited an officer to give his opinion of a situation, a quite reasonable opinion I might add, and then condemned outright, stating it's the same answer every cop would given and assumed why he has given. It couldn't possibly be simply his own opinion in the matter, could it?
If you don't understand how that is stereotyping, how that is hypocrisy, then buy a dictionary.
And a simple search will show how you've accused Skizzo of blindly defending a cop and then for you to backtrack when he has pointed you in the direction of posts when he's don't quite the opposite (page 20).
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I'll own that one then, cops defend other cops. Controversial I know. Nobodies ever heard that before... Regardless you can call it a prejudice then, one that you can easily dispel mind, just by opening your mouth.
As we are doing false equivalence here that other stereotype that you mention. What's that based on? How does that manifest itself? Do people die as a result of it? Maybe not so equivalent....
Just to put this to bed, when I asked the cops to comment it was with an opened mind, I half assumed that would be the answer (whatever the reason), call that what you want I don't really care. I think there's no longer any reason to continue as unless @choiboyx012 come in with a different line of conversation this has run it's course. It's like nearly a page of back and forths for a poster saying 'haha I knew it' to another poster... @Duafc point being that he thinks the thread is pointless now and yours that you think I'm a hypocrite.
Yes, that's what people do when they are mistaken. Curious why you called it backtracking tho.
Fcuk me I just read this again. You know how funny it is you writing that in this thread? Think about it
I could explain it but I don't think I have to...
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You still don't get it do you? Yes, cops will on occasion defend cops, more often than they should, but assuming every cop is defending another cop when they make comments on particular instances is prejudicial. How can you not get this!?I'll own that one then, cops defend other cops. Controversial I know. Nobodies ever heard that before... Regardless you can call it a prejudice then, one that you can easily dispel mind, just by opening your mouth.
As we are doing false equivalence here that other stereotype that you mention. What's that based on? How does that manifest itself? Do people die as a result of it? Maybe not so equivalent....
Just to put this to bed, when I asked the cops to comment it was with an opened mind, I half assumed that would be the answer (whatever the reason), call that what you want I don't really care. I think there's no longer any reason to continue as unless @choiboyx012 come in with a different line of conversation this has run it's course. It's like nearly a page of back and forths for a poster saying 'haha I knew it' to another poster... @Duafc point being that he thinks the thread is pointless now and yours that you think I'm a hypocrite.
Yes, that's what people do when they are mistaken. Curious why you called it backtracking tho.
Fcuk me I just read this again. You know how funny it is you writing that in this thread? Think about it
I could explain it but I don't think I have to...
And then when you've been shown to be completely and utterly wrong on the aforementioned instance you've simply said you haven't read all their posts so it just seems that way. You know why it seemed that way? Because you've entered the thread and read his post with that viewpoint already in mind.
That comment has come directly from a video you have posted of Trump making a speech, a speech that has been lambasted by several different departments and individuals within law enforcement. So yeah, green smiley all you like.