Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Personally, given the state of racial tensions in America, specifically surrounding police brutality in recent years, I find it disgusting that any police officer would cheer on someone rallying to rough up the people they arrest even more, and insist that they aren't part of the problem.

And I don't think there's any defending that.
Calling it a 'joke' only ridicules the situation and takes away from the context in which this entire situation is allowed to happen.

Sure, I find crude jokes hilarious - but coming from this President? Clapped at by police officers? When thousands have died at their hands in the last years alone?

Nah, not for me.

But hey, i'm not a policeman, maybe I just don't 'get it'
 
ivaldo said:
You still don't get it do you? Yes, cops will on occasion defend cops, more often than they should, but assuming every cop is defending another cop when they make comments on particular instances is prejudicial. How can you not get this!?

And then when you've been shown to be completely and utterly wrong on the aforementioned instance you've simply said you haven't read all their posts so it just seems that way. You know why it seemed that way? Because you've entered the thread and read his post with that viewpoint already in mind.

That comment has come directly from a video you have posted of Trump making a speech, a speech that has been lambasted by several different departments and individuals within law enforcement. So yeah, green smiley all you like.
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Fcuk sake did you see what the smiley was in reference to? Wind your neck in I already accepted that it's prejudice and so what? I'll spell out the joke because you clearly didn't get it, and I'm guessing that's the problem here.

Some black people have those prejudices about police because of the prejudices that some police have about black people (case in point the article linked on the page where this back and forth started), you saying that black people not having those prejudices will make the situation improve is hilarious because in America, not having those prejudices could get you killed.

I don't have the same (police can do no wrong) view of police as you and some others, and I'm guessing that's because we have different experiences (police can do wrong and I've seen on multiple occasions), I'll leave it at that.
 
afrocentricity said:
Fcuk sake did you see what the smiley was in reference to? Wind your neck in I already accepted that it's prejudice and so what? I'll spell out the joke because you clearly didn't get it, and I'm guessing that's the problem here.

Some black people have those prejudices about police because of the prejudices that some police have about black people (case in point the article linked on the page where this back and forth started), you saying that black people not having those prejudices will make the situation improve is hilarious because in America, not having those prejudices could get you killed.

I don't have the same view of police as you and some others, and I'm guessing that's because we have different experiences, I'll leave it at that.
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And if a police officer justifies their own generalisations about an enormous and far reaching group of people with that same thought process you're all over them like a rash. Hypocrisy.

So you're happy to accept your prejudices and therefore your hypocrisy. Then why are you getting offended when I call you prejudice and hypocritical? Simply accepting you were wrong and moving on will be better for everyone.
 
ivaldo said:
And if a police officer justifies their own generalisations about an enormous and far reaching group of people with that same thought process you're all over them like a rash. Hypocrisy.

So you're happy to accept your prejudices and therefore your hypocrisy. Then why are you getting offended when I call you prejudice and hypocritical? Simply accepting you were wrong and moving on will be better for everyone.
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Well clearly you're not hear to engage........

I mean clearly you're on a wind up, it seems like you just want me to call myself a hypocrite and be hurt about the whole ordeal. Are you really trying to compare me thinking that cops are more likely to cover for other cops, to cops thinking that black males are violent criminals? Are they one and the same in your mind?

Does me having that thought justify the other? Is this where you are going?

vi1lain said:
But hey, i'm not a policeman, maybe I just don't 'get it'
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Yup, we just don't get 'it'. Maybe somebody will explain what the 'it' is that we're supposed to be getting?
 
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Well clearly you're not hear to engage........
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What's left to engage? You've admitted you were wrong and are now being abrasive while telling me to 'wind my neck in', hypocrisy. What else is there to discuss? I'm happy to shift focus but right now you're arguing for the sake of
 
ivaldo said:
What's left to engage? You've admitted you were wrong and are now being abrasive while telling me to 'wind my neck in', hypocrisy. What else is there to discuss? I'm happy to shift focus but right now you're arguing for the sake of
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You joined the argument with the singular intention of calling me hypocrite, your work is done, move along ....
 
afrocentricity said:
You joined the argument with the singular intention of calling me hypocrite, your work is done, move along ....
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Which you have now admitted, despite previously claiming you invited two police officers into a discussion to hear their opinion with an open mind. I think we know who needs to move along...
 
ivaldo said:
Which you have now admitted, despite previously claiming you invited two police officers into a discussion to hear their opinion with an open mind. I think we know who needs to move along...
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:lol:

Wait.... Are you still going down this false equivalency route? I'm a hypocrite because I'm suspicious that cops may cover for other cops even though I was open to the possibility that these guys wouldn't (only one of them has spoken btw)? Ermm... Or I'm a hypocrite because I did this while being critical of other cops being suspicious of black males and in some circumstances shooting and killing them? Sure.... Ok
 
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@afrocentricity

Just out of curiosity, how do you have this idea that I'm here just covering for any and all cops?
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Yeah it would be nice to see the exact posts that led him to believe that or whether it is the typical internet thing that it is automatically assumed you are taking the direct opposite position of the other person even if nothing posted actually suggests that. Can't speak for everyone but I have been guilty of filling in meaning behind what someone posted and been on the other end where people read a whole lot of words into one of my posts that were never actually there nor meant to be there.
 
Because in a country where everyday instances of police brutality and murder come to light, when the president seems to encourage this, the response of the police is going to be scrutinised. The main defence of the police is that a few bad cops drive the news, ignoring the majority sensible cops.
The spontaneously happy reaction to this speech at this moment seems to say a lot. For an example of another kind of spontaneous reaction, look at the reaction of the NYPD to the presence of their mayor 1-2 years ago.
 
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@afrocentricity
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Just out of curiosity, how do you have this idea that I'm here just covering for any and all cops?
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I don't know tbh, I just wouldn't be surprised if you did. Like I said I don't know you. I knew 3 other policemen (2 and 1), they weren't clean, 2 I've seen take drugs, 1 there are strong rumours about. Then you have police culture, man culture, group think. Is it really that shocking that a person could have the mindset that I've exhibited? I find it surprising that others find it shocking. I take your comments at face value though, if you've never seen anything untoward, and nothing happens at your precinct then fair enough. I've literally dug you out what? 2 or 3 times? It's not that deep is it?
 
afrocentricity said:
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Wait.... Are you still going down this false equivalency route? I'm a hypocrite because I'm suspicious that cops may cover for other cops even though I was open to the possibility that these guys wouldn't (only one of them has spoken btw)? Ermm... Or I'm a hypocrite because I did this while being critical of other cops being suspicious of black males and in some circumstances shooting and killing them? Sure.... Ok
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No, you're a hypocrite because, despite having evidence in this very thread of the contrary, you've still stood by your prejudicial views of a cop and are now trying to defend them. You've called him into the thread to point score, made a hilarious claim that you're being the arbiter of justice and then got up in arms when two posters have questioned you on it.

You know it's going well when you have to shove a laughing face into every other post in an attempt to give it weight, or editing a post 15 minutes after I have replied to it... bodes well. (:lol:).

But then my view that you shouldnt tarnish every cop with the same brush equates to, in your words, believing police can do no wrong pretty much denote how utterly lost you are in all this.
 
ivaldo said:
No, you're a hypocrite because, despite having evidence in this very thread of the contrary, you've still stood by your prejudicial views of a cop and are now trying to defend them. You've called him into the thread to point score, made a hilarious claim that you're being the arbiter of justice and then got up in arms when two posters have questioned you on it.

You know it's going well when you have to shove a laughing face into every other post in an attempt to give it weight, or editing a post 15 minutes after I have replied to it... bodes well. (:lol:).

But then my view that you shouldnt tarnish every cop with the same brush equates to, in your words, believing police can do no wrong pretty much denote how utterly lost you are in all this.
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Is this what you do? You've got tunnel vision mate, the conversation is moving on. Ok you want to call me a hypocrite go ahead and knock yourself out. There are smilies in my post because you're making me laugh. Your coming across all internet warrior. You got me, that hypocrisy in small letters was like a dragon punch to the nuts, you've won. Well done.

Never mind that you ignored pretty much everything else in my posts \0/
 
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Is this what you do? You've got tunnel vision mate, the conversation is moving on. Ok you want to call me a hypocrite go ahead and knock yourself out. There are smilies in my post because you're making me laugh. Your coming across all internet warrior. You got me, that hypocrisy in small letters was like a dragon punch to the nuts, you've won. Well done.

Never mind that you ignored pretty much everything else in my posts :D
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I don't need to any more, you've done a fine job of demonstrating it to one and all.

Great point to make while ignoring half of the post you just responded to, thats what they call hypo...

:D:lol::D:lol::D - Am I doing it right?
 
Skizzo said:
@afrocentricity

Just out of curiosity, how do you have this idea that I'm here just covering for any and all cops?
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So anyway, I don't think you're the actual police defence force, maybe for some the fact that I said you're answer was unsurprising indicated otherwise, but even if I have loose assumptions about a group, I take each person individually. In saying that, is the fact that I believe some cops will avoid criticising other cops shocking to you?
 
What the hell was this about?

I'll assume some kind of chase that ended up with multiple units in pursuit, which appear to probably be NARCs involved due to the civilian clothing (I'm probably wrong). But the resulting showdown seems quite disjointed.

 
MrMarcello said:
What the hell was this about?

I'll assume some kind of chase that ended up with multiple units in pursuit, which appear to probably be NARCs involved due to the civilian clothing (I'm probably wrong). But the resulting showdown seems quite disjointed.

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Looks like a grander and gunnier version of when 5 different Verizon guys showed up at my apt when installation was going on, apparently just to be able to claim the job (the first guy that arrived did 99% of the work from what I could tell).
 
MrMarcello said:
What the hell was this about?

I'll assume some kind of chase that ended up with multiple units in pursuit, which appear to probably be NARCs involved due to the civilian clothing (I'm probably wrong). But the resulting showdown seems quite disjointed.

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Lol yea there's so much wrong tactically. I'm sure this video has been played in every roll call room in departments throughout the country
 
Skizzo said:
This was posted on a friends Facebook page last week..apparently she knows the involved. Had a lengthy discussion about it.

This guys hands were also visible most of the time too...and he was just reaching for his wallet/ID

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ATM- ask, tell, make.
Too much back and forth talking and fiddling around imo.
 
Skizzo said:
This was posted on a friends Facebook page last week..apparently she knows the involved. Had a lengthy discussion about it.

This guys hands were also visible most of the time too...and he was just reaching for his wallet/ID

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I'm sorry but what the feck is wrong with this driver. I don't care if I'm in the wrong or not, you don't get anywhere if you refuse to exit the car after the police tell you to. You gain absolute feck all.

Then he pulls out his fecking gun.

The bolded bit - are you serious? He had the fecking balls to bring and point his gun at one of the officers at the end of the video. How do you really know he was reaching for his ID/wallet?
 
choiboyx012 said:


This scum of the earth piece of shit got convicted 35 years. Really hits home.
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Then there's moments like these. I will never ever defend the cops who don't even give people a chance to stand down. We've seen videos of officers putting a gun up at a person, telling them to put their arms in the air, and just a milisecond into the person seemingly doing so, the officer shoots in an instant. They are bastards.

But there's moments like the above where the officer repeatedly gives the guy a change to take him hands out of his pocket. Ignored multiple times. He could have tazered him on the spot, and yet he's be lynched by some for tazering someone who wasn't threatening in any way. Instead he gives the guy more chances than he should have and gets shot point blank and could have easily died on the spot.

I could never be a police officer, especially in the States. One of the hardest jobs I can imagine.

Hope that scum enjoys prison.
 
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I'm sorry but what the feck is wrong with this driver. I don't care if I'm in the wrong or not, you don't get anywhere if you refuse to exit the car after the police tell you to. You gain absolute feck all.

Then he pulls out his fecking gun.

The bolded bit - are you serious? He had the fecking balls to bring and point his gun at one of the officers at the end of the video. How do you really know he was reaching for his ID/wallet?
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He's not being serious. @Skizzo does a nice job at balancing horrible bad cop videos and stories with what a good cop goes through daily. We often hear he was just reaching for his ID, this video shows what that could mean.
 
senorgregster said:
He's not being serious. @Skizzo does a nice job at balancing horrible bad cop videos and stories with what a good cop goes through daily. We often hear he was just reaching for his ID, this video shows what that could mean.
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My bad.
Saw a police officer with a stab wound last night in A&E and seeing this thread hit home.
 
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This scum of the earth piece of shit got convicted 35 years. Really hits home.
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This story was on my local news website in SC this morning. I actually came to this thread to link to it.

Considering the injuries this officer suffered, it is amazing that he survived.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I'm sorry but what the feck is wrong with this driver. I don't care if I'm in the wrong or not, you don't get anywhere if you refuse to exit the car after the police tell you to. You gain absolute feck all.

Then he pulls out his fecking gun.

The bolded bit - are you serious? He had the fecking balls to bring and point his gun at one of the officers at the end of the video. How do you really know he was reaching for his ID/wallet?
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Yeah sorry if that's older part caused any confusion. It was meant to highlight how everyone says they're reaching around in their car for wallet/ID/registration etc, and while some legitimately are, it just goes to show how a guy with a loaded gun probably won't be up front about it and might even lie to an officer, no less.

Hopefully people realize that's why police are so adamant about not reaching around where we can't see.


Any update on the officer who was stabbed?

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ATM- ask, tell, make.
Too much back and forth talking and fiddling around imo.
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Yeah it seemed they were trying to maintain the polite demeanor and not seem too forceful. There's only so many times you can ask nicely. Sure you don't want to escalate things, but you sure as hell don't want to let a situation evolve like that.

senorgregster said:
He's not being serious. @Skizzo does a nice job at balancing horrible bad cop videos and stories with what a good cop goes through daily. We often hear he was just reaching for his ID, this video shows what that could mean.
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I try to balance at least. I figure the officers going above and beyond should get just as much, if not more, attention than the guys ruining it for the rest of us.
 
bucky said:


Don't even know what to say.
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Not much to say. Nothing should lead to an invasive search on the side of the road. For marijuana, no less. If they legitimately began searching the vehicle for marijuana, fair enough, but once they didn't find any, that should be it. You search where is reasonable. Passenger compartment, trunk. You don't rip someone's pants down and invite yourself in.

Regardless of the outcome for the civil trial, she'll unfortunately have to live with the actions taken that day, and money won't take the sting off that.
 
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Don't even know what to say.
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Cleared of wrongdoing! FFS. This is the big problem, police in the states are just not accountable for their actions. They have free rein and too many of them clearly should not be in any position of power.

Dashcams and bodycams should be mandatory for every single law enforcement service and be active every single time they interact with a member of the public. (Not that having video evidence made any difference in this case, or in so many cases.)
 
Neutral said:
Cops getting shot all over the place tonight

4 in Florida - 1 dead
2 in Pennsylvania
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A police officer in Florida was murdered and another was critically wounded while four other police officers around the country were struck by gunfire within a span of two hours Friday night.

Officer Matthew Baxter (27), a three-year veteran with the Kissimmee Police Department, was killed and Sergeant Sam Howard (36), a ten-year veteran, remains in grave condition after being shot after responding to a suspicious person near Palmway and Cypress Streets at approximately 9:30 p.m. yesterday night.

Three suspects are in custody and a fourth is being sought. One suspect, Everett Glen Miller, has been charged with first-degree murder on a police officer.

About 160 miles away in Jacksonville, Florida two more police officers were shot around 11 p.m. Friday evening. In this incident, police responded to an attempted suicide call on the 5100 block of Seaboard Avenue. One suspect was armed with a rifle, while three others inside the house took refuge in a bedroom. When the officers tried to enter the home, the suspect opened fire and shot at the cops through the door leaving one officer in critical condition and the other in stable condition. Three victims who were hiding inside the home were unharmed. The suspect was shot and later died in a local hospital.

In Fayette County, Pennsylvania, two state troopers were also shot on Friday night at around 9 p.m. at an incident that occurred in a supermarket. In that incident the suspect was killed and the two Pennsylvania State Troopers were taken to the hospital in stable condition.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Matthew Baxter’s family, friends, and colleagues at the Kissimmee Police Department. Officer Baxter is servived by his wife and three children.

We are also praying for a full and speedy recovery for Sergeant Sam Howard and all the other law enforcement officers injured in each of last night’s violent assaults on America’s peacekeepers.

UPDATE: Sergeant Sam Howard passed away on the afternoon of August 19, 2017. He is survived by his wife and child. We offer our condolences, thoughts, and prayers to Sergeant Howard's family, friends, and colleagues at the Kissimmee Police Department.
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We had a briefing item yesterday regarding not going to grab lunch at a certain place while on duty, due to the fact that officers went there and found broken glass in their sandwich. Fortunately they found it before they consumed any of it.
 
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We had a briefing item yesterday regarding not going to grab lunch at a certain place while on duty, due to the fact that officers went there and found broken glass in their sandwich. Fortunately they found it before they consumed any of it.
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What the feck, that's terrible
 
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