Cop in America doing a bad job, again

No doubt barros will tell you that he didn't unbuckle his seatbelt quick enough to get his deserved beating.
 
Anyone see the video of the guy's daughter consoling her mother after the incident?

Heart breaking.
 
Police say the video “shows only a short segment” of a longer road-rage incident.
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It's ok lads. The beating only happened for a minute.
 
I just can't wrap my head around how pulling out a deadly weapon is such a normal and casual response to conflict in America. As soon as you pull it out you're making death or critical injury a likelihood, in my view, for yourself as well. How on earth is there so little hesitation before that escalation?
 
Neutral said:
I don't give a feck about any 'context'....WTF is this shit?

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Apparently the spokesman for the police dept said that this video shows only half the story. Not sure what the other half of the story is, but a police officer should not react like that.
 
schwarzfahren said:
I just can't wrap my head around how pulling out a deadly weapon is such a normal and casual response to conflict in America. As soon as you pull it out you're making death or critical injury a likelihood, in my view, for yourself as well. How on earth is there so little hesitation before that escalation?
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In general, or specifically police?
Hesitation also gets people injured and killed.
 
schwarzfahren said:
I just can't wrap my head around how pulling out a deadly weapon is such a normal and casual response to conflict in America. As soon as you pull it out you're making death or critical injury a likelihood, in my view, for yourself as well. How on earth is there so little hesitation before that escalation?
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Just shows how fecked up America's gun culture is.
 
VeevaVee said:
Just shows how fecked up America's gun culture is.
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They're pathetic. The rest of the world needs to start calling a spade a spade.

America has a pathetic attitude to keeping its populace safe. You could take anyone, from anywhere, and ask them to write some gun legislation and they would be able to make something more serviceable and plain sensible in comparison to what they have.

That fact would still be true if you set the cut off age for people you ask at 16.

The country is a joke.
 
ghagua said:
Apparently the spokesman for the police dept said that this video shows only half the story. Not sure what the other half of the story is, but a police officer should not react like that.
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Found this online. http://www.twincities.com/2017/06/22/video-worthington-mn-police-excessive-force-aclu-traffic-stop/

The American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota is calling for an investigation into a police officer’s conduct shown in squad-car video footage of a 2016 arrest after a stop in southwest Minnesota.

The ACLU is alleging excessive force by the officer — a 32-year-old graduate of Harding High School in St. Paul — who can be seen punching and kneeing the driver moments after he approaches the vehicle July 28 in Worthington. Law enforcement officials say the video shows only part of the incident. A criminal complaint against the driver alleges he aggressively swerved toward the officer after threatening other officers earlier that morning.

The officer accused of excessive force is white; the driver, charged with assault, fleeing and driving without a license, is a Laotian-American man who was 21 at the time.

In the video, released Thursday by the ACLU, the officer yells profanities as he approaches the vehicle with his handgun drawn and orders the driver to get out of the vehicle. The officer holsters his firearm, flings the door open, reaches into the car and tugs at the driver with both hands. He then delivers three upward knee blows toward the driver, as well as a right-hand punch. The driver is brought partially out of the car, and the officer delivers three more downward blows with his right hand, followed by a right elbow.

(Warning: This video contains graphic language.)


The driver was identified by the ACLU as Anthony Promvongsa; the officer, dressed in jeans and a police vest, is identified by the ACLU as Buffalo Ridge Drug Task Force Agent Joe Joswiak. Joswiak, who grew up in St. Paul, could not be reached for comment.

Another officer, in standard uniform, is visible in the video. The other officer, identified by the ACLU as Sgt. Tim Gaul, makes contact with the driver after Joswiak has brought Promvongsa to the ground. Joswiak pins Promvongsa’s neck to the ground with his left knee.

The ACLU says Promvongsa was charged with multiple felonies in the incident and is awaiting trial. According to a news release by the ACLU: “This whole incident began when off-duty police officers accused Promvongsa of driving recklessly. The prosecutor upped the reckless-driving charges to assault with a deadly weapon — his car. Promvongsa denies any conduct that would warrant the type of brutal attack that occurred here.”

Police and prosecutors issued a joint statement Thursday afternoon saying “the video, viewed in a vacuum, shows only a short segment of the incident.” Citing the ongoing case against Promvongsa, authorities said it was “inappropriate to comment further.”

Court documents, however, allege that Promvongsa harassed two other officers beginning about 9:30 that morning before Joswiak attempted to pull him over. Promvongsa followed an off-duty officer so closely that the officer couldn’t see the hood of Promvongsa’s Honda Pilot, according to the criminal complaint; Promvongsa then pulled up alongside the officer’s car and swerved at it. When the officer came upon another off-duty officer, he pulled over, grabbed his pistol, and stepped out of his car. Promvongsa then raced past them, came back and told the officers to “stay there as he was going to go get his boys and come back to get them,” according to the complaint.

The officers recognized Promvongsa and reported the incident to dispatch, which is when Joswiak got involved. Joswiak checked Promvongsa’s driving status and found his license was revoked and he had been ticketed a week earlier.

Joswiak was looking for the Honda Pilot when the vehicle appeared, approached and then swerved toward Joswiak’s unmarked car. Joswiak said he recognized Promvongsa from previous contacts, according to the complaint, and he believed Promvongsa recognized his car.

Joswiak turned around and activated his lights, but Promvongsa did not stop, according to the complaint. Gaul joined the pursuit.

Promvongsa pulled over about a mile later, but did not comply with Joswiak’s orders to get out of the car, according to the complaint.

According to the ACLU, Promvongsa stated: “I had no idea what was going on when I was approached and attacked by this officer. I did not even have the opportunity to take off my seat belt before I was literally blindsided with this unnecessary attack. I immediately pulled over for the Worthington squad car and before I knew what was happening I was beat and ripped from my vehicle.

“I know I am not the first person to have this type of traumatic experience with law enforcement in Worthington. This type of violence with community members has to stop. This encounter was demoralizing and has left me scared of future interactions with the police.”

Promvongsa, who is represented by a public defender, disputes the officers’ version of events leading up to the stop. He obtained the squad car video and brought it to the attention of the ACLU’s Greater Minnesota Racial Justice Project in Mankato this month, according to interim legal director John Gordon. The ACLU is not representing Promvongsa, and no civil case has been filed, but “we view all legal options being on the table,” Gordon said.

Teresa Nelson, executive director of the ACLU of Minnesota, stated: “Agent Joswiak’s use of force against Anthony Promvongsa is disturbing and completely unnecessary. We are calling for an investigation of Agent Joswiak’s behavior and for him to be held accountable for his brutal attack on Anthony Promvongsa, up to and including termination and prosecution.

“Thus far Agent Joswiak has received no punishment for this abhorrent treatment of Anthony. This sends a message that the department condones the officer’s behavior, which it should not.”

U.S. Rep. Tim Walz, a Democrat representing Minnesota’s 1st Congressional District, said he found the video “deeply disturbing.”

“I have had a chance to speak with local officials and leaders in the community and believe all parties are passionate in pursuing justice,” Walz said in a statement. “I will continue closely monitoring this situation. Addressing situations like this one in our communities and in Minnesota is an absolute necessity and we are all in this together.”

Walz is running for Minnesota governor in 2018.

POLICE RESPOND
On Thursday afternoon, Worthington police issued a joint release with the Nobles County Attorney’s Office and the Buffalo Ridge Drug Task Force. Below is the full statement, which was distributed by the Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association:

“The July 28, 2016 video released by ACLU is one piece of evidence in a pending criminal case. Release and discussion of evidence in pending criminal cases is limited by the data practices law and criminal court procedural rules. The video, viewed in a vacuum, shows only a short segment of the incident that is the basis of the criminal charges.

“The charges in this case include two counts of assault with a dangerous weapon (a motor vehicle), one count of fleeing an officer in a motor vehicle, possession of a small amount of marijuana, and driving after revocation. Further details available to the public are included in the criminal complaint in this case, which is Nobles County Court File 53-CR-16-683.

“Because the case is now awaiting a jury trial date, the Buffalo Ridge Drug Task Force, Worthington Police Department, and the Nobles County Attorney’s office feel it is inappropriate to comment further.

“Our agencies ask that the media and the public remain patient as the criminal case progresses accordingly.”

The statement was attributed to: BRDTF Commander Nate Grimmius, Worthington Chief of Police Troy Appel and Nobles County Attorney Kathleen A. Kusz.

Here’s the full video. Jump to 1:30 for the beginning of the stop. (Warning: This video contains graphic language.)
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ghagua said:
Apparently the spokesman for the police dept said that this video shows only half the story. Not sure what the other half of the story is, but a police officer should not react like that.
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Yeah read about this....if the kid did what the police say he did then throw the book at him but you can t apprehend someone like that...that is sooooo ott!
 
choiboyx012 said:
In general, or specifically police?
Hesitation also gets people injured and killed.
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In general. Road rage? Better pull out a gun! Routine traffic stop? Better pull out a gun! It's such a huge jump in escalation in my opinion, but it seems almost to be the default in the US.
 


Here's a recent bodycam video out of Las Vegas PD. A good example of a less-lethal weapon used (taser) but failing to be effective. Failure to comply with verbal commands to drop the knife (deadly weapon), and once he charged at the officer there was only going to be one result.
 
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Here's a recent bodycam video out of Las Vegas PD. A good example of a less-lethal weapon used (taser) but failing to be effective. Failure to comply with verbal commands to drop the knife (deadly weapon), and once he charged at the officer there was only going to be one result.
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But why didn't they shoot him in the hand to make him drop the knife? Then they could have verbal Judo'd him into cuffs.
 
Y'all sound like meat heads right now... Just saying. I can understand why you might want to point out things that you as police may know more about. But making light of excessive violence by police, and blind defence of anything they do, does nothing to change the thoughts and opinions that people like myself hold towards you and your jobs.

If anything it makes it worse...
 
afrocentricity said:
Y'all sound like meat heads right now... Just saying. I can understand why you might want to point out things that you as police may know more about. But making light of excessive violence by police, and blind defence of anything they do, does nothing to change the thoughts and opinions that people like myself hold towards you and your jobs.

If anything it makes it worse...
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Theres been countless times myself and other have come into this thread and pointed out things that may not be know to people outside the profession. It doesn't matter how many times a video comes out with no backstory and people have gone straight away to the "all cops are racist!" Or "all cops are bad and need training!" Or whatever else is the flavor of the month.

I've also come in here and posted videos of officers doing things flawlessly and the right thing (as @choiboyx012 did above) and no one bothers to come in and discuss any of that. I've brought up incidents I myself have been involved in with uses of force and people being shot, and again, no one cares.

This is never an open discussion, it's just a place for people to come in and cry foul whenever an officer involved anything comes out. I've been fair and critical throughout this thread, but if you just want this as a place to solely discuss the bad and none of the good, carry on.

The fact that we sound like "meatheads" because we ironically commented the same thing people criticize officers for on almost every shoot, should also highlight how stupid a point it is to start with.

Show me where I made light of any officer using excessive violence or unauthorized use of force?

Show me where I've made a blind defense of any and all officer involved incidents?

If this is what you decided to focus on instead of the countless other posts both of us have made throughout the thread condemning officers for their incidents, then why would I try and change your thoughts or opinions when you've clearly cemented them as they are?
 
JustAFan said:
Thought NOT was the case, but just wanted to be sure as we have had people seriously expecting all cops to be able to make shots that they see on TV shows or movies.
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It's a ridiculous critique, and such a lazy one.

"Oh they can't shoot an arm or a leg to disable someone with a knife? They need to train more then!"

I assume that training would also include aiming at part of the leg that would not involve hitting any major arteries that could cause a bleed out too, of course.
 
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