Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Carolina Red said:
You know the training actually states that if a knife wielding person is within 21 or so feet and your gun is holstered, you lose. It's the "Tueller Drill" or "21 foot rule". It's kinda controversial because of all the variables it takes for granted, but as far as I know, it's been the rule for a couple of decades.
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At 10 feet they have time to shoot the guy's balls or legs only if they come running at them them shoot to stop the guy, I think one of the reasons is the lack of training shooting the gun and psychological training like not to shit in their pants when someone who looks like a criminal stares at them and they start shooting until they unload their guns... shit they wouldn't survive a zombie apocalypse :lol:
 


An example of how a knife wielding person is a deadly threat.
Importance of having distance. The officer did the right thing stepping back to get optimal distance, but officers are not obligated to retreat. He could've tripped on his ass earlier than he did, and could have been stabbed.
A "real life" example of how difficult it is to shoot at a moving target in an already stressful and dynamic situation.
A "real life" example of how one, or even multiple bullets, won't necessarily "stop" a suspect like you see in action movies.

The officer was very very lucky.
 
choiboyx012 said:
An example of how a knife wielding person is a deadly threat.
Importance of having distance. The officer did the right thing stepping back to get optimal distance, but officers are not obligated to retreat. He could've tripped on his ass earlier than he did, and could have been stabbed.
A "real life" example of how difficult it is to shoot at a moving target in an already stressful and dynamic situation.
A "real life" example of how one, or even multiple bullets, won't necessarily "stop" a suspect like you see in action movies.

The officer was very very lucky.
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There is a famous police shooting from Pennsylvania, I believe, in which an officer shoots a perp over 20x (17 in center mass) and the guy still almost killed the cop.. Injured him badly. All the guy had in his system was "a little alcohol" per tox report. I think it's used in police training... But I cannot remember the officer's name.

Edit: found it! The Peter Soulis incident
http://lawofficer.com/2008/12/officer-down-the-peter-soulis-incident/
 
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choiboyx012 said:


An example of how a knife wielding person is a deadly threat.
Importance of having distance. The officer did the right thing stepping back to get optimal distance, but officers are not obligated to retreat. He could've tripped on his ass earlier than he did, and could have been stabbed.
A "real life" example of how difficult it is to shoot at a moving target in an already stressful and dynamic situation.
A "real life" example of how one, or even multiple bullets, won't necessarily "stop" a suspect like you see in action movies.

The officer was very very lucky.
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Time to use a desert eagle 50 caliber :)
 
choiboyx012 said:


An example of how a knife wielding person is a deadly threat.
Importance of having distance. The officer did the right thing stepping back to get optimal distance, but officers are not obligated to retreat. He could've tripped on his ass earlier than he did, and could have been stabbed.
A "real life" example of how difficult it is to shoot at a moving target in an already stressful and dynamic situation.
A "real life" example of how one, or even multiple bullets, won't necessarily "stop" a suspect like you see in action movies.

The officer was very very lucky.
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Trying to tell me he couldn't have shot him in the legs and thus incapacitate him?
 
MoBeats said:
Trying to tell me he couldn't have shot him in the legs and thus incapacitate him?
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He could try but the cop is moving, the crazy guy is moving, if you really feel the need to open fire then your best bet is to aim for the center of your target. Less of a chance of missing your target if you aim for the largest part of the target you are firing at. In some situations a disabling shot might be practical, in others not so much.
 
Actually, this is a guy going for him with a knife, it shouldn't be in this thread. The cop is within his rights shooting this guy, so I take my comment back.

My issue is with cops shooting to kill unarmed people, which is what this thread is about for the main.
 


Pretty shocking this one, breaks his jaw and knocks out 3 teeth. Can't see any justification whatsoever.
 
Carolina Red said:
1) Why would you do that? Animals who entered the force for wrong reasons.
2) Why the feck would you do that directly in front of the dashcam if you were to do that? They will still get away with it
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What kind of dick travels around telling kids wanking is bad? The cop should have just shot him.
 
In fairness it might be the greatest headline of all time! To make things even better, apparently the anti-masturbation dolphins name was Fappy!
 
diarm said:
Is it? On CNN? Do they have a parody section?
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No idea but there's stuff in there that couldn't possibly be serious.

I kept telling him that I wasn’t actually a real dolphin but just a man dressed up in a dolphin costume.” Horner continued, “Besides being on drugs, he looked like a heathenish self-rapist too. I’ll say a prayer for him, not a full-prayer though, just a half-prayer.”
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I mean, if this is all kosher than hats off to you. That's the most surreal news article I've ever read, bar none!
 
Sadly when you google Fappy The Anti Masturbation Dolphin it becomes immediately apparent that he also hasn't been arrested for swimming naked at Seaworld, for masturbating in public nor is he the subject of an upcoming Michael Moore documentary. His real name is Paul Horner though and he's a stand up comedian taking the piss out of the likes of Westboro.

Damn you Google, it should be true.
 
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Well that is very disappointing. I should have listened to old Abe when he said don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 
JustAFan said:
Google is your friend in situations like these.
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Until Pogue mentioned parody earlier, I hadn't even checked the url properly. Just clicked the link, saw CNN and took it at face value.

Call me naive if you will, but we live in a world where Donald Trump is within a handful of points of being elected President of the United States.
 
One thing that is immediately apparent in all these videos is lack of training these officers obviously have.

You give them military equipment, overwhelming power without insight and conviction and pay them bugger all and then you wonder why shit goes so wrong.

One example that springs immediately to mind is the Ferguson riots where we had Police officers pointing military grade weapons at rioters that were showing no aggression with no trigger discipline. I mean seriously, wtf. And this example is one of so so so many.

In the military we were taught in civilian situations:
1) You never ever point your weapon at someone unless you plan on using it, it unnecessarily escalates the situation for all party's involved.
2) Trigger discipline
3) Deescalation whenever possible
4) Follow your ROEs
5) Heart and minds

Military training on the use of force is so much more rigorous than police training (coming from 6 years experience with the Australian Defence Force working with military forces and training them all over the world) and why is this so, it should be exactly the same, if not more so. You have to train to respond calmly in stressful and dangerous situations, second, you have to be legally accountable for your actions or else it is anarchy (like it currently has been for quite some time). They do this shit because they know they can cover it up and they can get away with it.

This doesn't mean doing a single 10 hour course and saying ok you now are trained in deescalation techniques, it requires a methodical training regimen that enforces their own set of ROEs, this training needs to be ongoing, constant and methodical, using techniques such as "train-the-trainer", real life on the job training with appropriate supervision from commanding officers to correct behavior and reinforcement at every single level of the chain of command.

Just my two cents.
 
diarm said:
Until Pogue mentioned parody earlier, I hadn't even checked the url properly. Just clicked the link, saw CNN and took it at face value.

Call me naive if you will, but we live in a world where Donald Trump is within a handful of points of being elected President of the United States.
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Still it never hurts to double check stories, especially if they are not about Donald Trump.
 
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