Conte | Spurs Manager

City won the xG in both league games this season, 2.32 to 2 today and 2 to 1 in the away game. They've just been unlucky or maybe have psychological issue with Spurs after that CL semi few years ago.
I don’t think it’s about luck at all. They struggle to deal with Kane in that pocket with Son or Moura as the runners in behind. At no point today did they not look vulnerable despite having 90% possession for the first 15 minutes of that second half.
 
City won the xG in both league games this season, 2.32 to 2 today and 2 to 1 in the away game. They've just been unlucky or maybe have psychological issue with Spurs after that CL semi few years ago.

Or maybe that means xG means feck all because football is more than just stats on an internet site.
 
City won the xG in both league games this season, 2.32 to 2 today and 2 to 1 in the away game. They've just been unlucky or maybe have psychological issue with Spurs after that CL semi few years ago.

Or maybe that means xG means feck all because football is more than just stats on an internet site.
I am pretty sure 1 whole point in that xG for City comes from their penalty. So it's 1.32 in case the provided stats is correct. So without Romero brainfart individual error, the stat pretty much agreed with the eye test: City doesn't created more easy chances.
 
They’ve played that exact same game numerous times over the years against city and won under both Jose and Nuno. That’s the blueprint for how to beat City.
Yep, Spurs have the right mixture of players to take them on (ie: Son and Kane).

Helps that Conte has experience in these kind of games though. I remember his Chelsea side beat City, and Hazard, Willian and Costa all shone.
 
I am pretty sure 1 whole point in that xG for City comes from their penalty. So it's 1.32 in case the provided stats is correct. So without Romero brainfart individual error, the stat pretty much agreed with the eye test: City doesn't created more easy chances.
Exactly. That penalty was 0.96 xG. Spurs won both the "open play xG" and the "on target xG" statistics. And they had 4 big chances vs City's 2.
 
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"Better wins" :lol:

Didn't City knock us out of 2 cups semis and just humiliated us this season?

Am surprised there are still Ole apologists around. Anyway, Conte being a top class coach isn't even a topic for discussion, because he's indeed.


No Apologists here, more sky and no doubt your narrative too, they completely parked the bus, and beat city a way that's happened a lot.



I'm just pointing out how ridiculous he all was watching the match
 
No Apologists here, more sky and no doubt your narrative too, they completely parked the bus, and beat city a way that's happened a lot.



I'm just pointing out how ridiculous he all was watching the match

Explain the "Ole getting better wins" nonsense, because the "better win" narrative has to be one of the most ridiculous phases I have seen here recently. :lol: There's no win better than another.

When we defeated them 2-0 in 2020 with Scott's long range goal, we had 28% possession percentage in this game.

And the 2-0 win last season in Etihad had us with 34% possession and conceding 23 shots from City.

Otherwise, the knocked us twice from EFL cup semi, and humiliated us this season while playing in 2nd gear.

"Better wins". :lol:
 
Explain the "Ole getting better wins" nonsense, because the "better win" narrative has to be one of the most ridiculous phases I have seen here recently. :lol: There's no win better than another.

When we defeated them 2-0 in 2020 with Scott's long range goal, we had 28% possession percentage in this game.

And the 2-0 win last season in Etihad had us with 34% possession and conceding 23 shots from City.

Otherwise, the knocked us twice from EFL cup semi, and humiliated us this season while playing in 2nd gear.

"Better wins". :lol:

You’re laughing but you’re actually wrong.

As you highlighted United didn’t concede a goal and had more of the ball. They were better wins.
 
Conte parked the bus and seemingly they scored with every opportunity they had.

Spurs could play that game another 9 times and they'd lose everytime.
Rubbish.

City benefited from a calamitous goal keeper error, an offside (by a gnats cock) goal and a penalty ….and they still LOST!

Spurs have taken 6 points off City this season.
 
Rubbish.

City benefited from a calamitous goal keeper error, an offside (by a gnats cock) goal and a penalty ….and they still LOST!

Spurs have taken 6 points off City this season.
Ole did that last season
 
Rubbish.

City benefited from a calamitous goal keeper error, an offside (by a gnats cock) goal and a penalty ….and they still LOST!

Spurs have taken 6 points off City this season.
He was well offside to be fair
 
He was well offside to be fair
Lucky let off for City he was. He didn’t gain any advantage by being offside. The tactic of switching quickly to wide players was spot on. As shown again by Kulusevski’s assist for the third goal that stood.
 
Lucky let off for City he was. He didn’t gain any advantage by being offside. The tactic of switching quickly to wide players was spot on. As shown again by Kulusevski’s assist for the third goal that stood.
That’s fair. I also think Pep played into Contes hands and he still freezes against attacks with pace when the defensive block is functioning well.
 
I smell a trap, however….

Wanted Conte at Utd.

Like his passion, heart on sleeve, must win mentality.

He’d of been good but potentially other issues.

Think we are doing the right thing by taking a slow decision and sorting the back room and structure out. We need to do this properly for the long term.
 
He’d of been good but potentially other issues.

Think we are doing the right thing by taking a slow decision and sorting the back room and structure out. We need to do this properly for the long term.
Excepted he may not be a good fit for the Utd board.

Who knows, if/when he falls out with Levy where he’ll go next.
 
Spurs were the better team, deserved the win, City had a lot of possession but did not really manufacture too many clear cut chances. I got to feeling they might have to rely on a penalty, which they eventually got, or a screamer from range. Kane would have made that City team next level scary with all the possession they have, at some point he would get the ball in and around the box and more likely than not, put it away.

Dont know how Spurs can lose at home to Wolves and Southampton and go away to City and win. But Id say Sanchez is part of that equation, they looked much more organised with Dier marshalling the backline and Romero on the right of the three. City's goals came from Lloris clowning around and a penalty. Still feel Royal and Sessegnon are average and Bentancur is clearly not up to the pace of the game yet. A few times he had to rush a pass and it went astray, not used to how fast players will be on him. Thought Kulusevski was good, didnt realise he is only 21, why did Juve get rid?
 
Conte would have been perfect for us with his deep defence and counter tactics but it would be very short term. About time , we move towards progressive tactics like how Liverpool, City, Bayern etc. are playing.
 
the tactics he used is the best way to beat city. That was why ole was successful at it because it was the type of football that he deployed. Nothing special about it. If he had out possessioned city like poch did with psg last season, or I believe Arteta did as well this season before they got a red, that would have been more impressive.
 
the tactics he used is the best way to beat city. That was why ole was successful at it because it was the type of football that he deployed. Nothing special about it. If he had out possessioned city like poch did with psg last season, or I believe Arteta did as well this season before they got a red, that would have been more impressive.
If this were true then every team in the league would deploy the same tactics Vs City and they would be in the relegation zone if there is nothing special about it as you claim. Seems to me it's a bit more than that.
 
the tactics he used is the best way to beat city. That was why ole was successful at it because it was the type of football that he deployed. Nothing special about it. If he had out possessioned city like poch did with psg last season, or I believe Arteta did as well this season before they got a red, that would have been more impressive.
Not sure why you put out those meaningless stats as most fan even the delusional one would say that a champion league final, their league best finish and highest point tally, and consecutive season in champion league in much better than the ones you mentioned. That is why those managers you listed are no where to be seen.

Conte has a much better squad than his predecessor. Definitely has much better depth. The starting eleven Conte is a bit more stronger, but Conte has better talent to choose from the bench which with his predecessor, if one of their talent got injured, they had the likes of llorente, Edward's, winks, skipp, and other very average selection to choose from.
Lloris = lloris
Tripper > royal
Verthogen > Sanchez
Alderweireld = Romero
Rose < regullion
Sissoko < hodjberg
Dembele = bentacur
Son = son
Lucas = Lucas
Lamela < begwein
Kane = kane

Do you ever have a clue about what your on about? Prime Dembele was one of the best midfielders in the league, Rose was better than Regulion, Lamela is better than Bergwein. You just make things up to suit your agenda, it’s quite embarrassing.:lol:
 
I am a bit worried if he does get backed in the summer. It's not how I would like us to set up, so glad we didn't go for him, but can't deny he's extremely effective when he gets all his players in line with his philosophy.
 
I am a bit worried if he does get backed in the summer. It's not how I would like us to set up, so glad we didn't go for him, but can't deny he's extremely effective when he gets all his players in line with his philosophy.

I honestly don’t know if Levy will, he’s looking to sell the club now I think but his asking price is justway to unrealistic. Conte will only get what the club makes on its own, there will be no investment from ENIC. There has only been £40m in 2 decades.
 
Or maybe that means xG means feck all because football is more than just stats on an internet site.
XG is one of my most hated stats. It's just bollox.

I actually find it tiresome that people use stats as their basis of an argument of how good a team and/or player is.

Stats have their place no doubt but I think it's taken over real analysis that's done using your eyes and understanding the game.

I remember we signed young and Liverpool signed downing. If you looked at stats alone downing looked the better player. You actually watched them play it was a different story.
 
You’re laughing but you’re actually wrong.

As you highlighted United didn’t concede a goal and had more of the ball. They were better wins.


I thought that was obvious, your man seems to be creaming his monks over Spursy getting the win and thinking it's some sort of mad Ole praise I'm giving.


I'm saying beating city like that isn't something new. They literally parked the bus and got the win. Near sure their previous manager beat them start of season, my post was about narrative come hear from here to next game about Conte being a winner and was a tactical masterclass.

Sky was hard to listen to yesterday.......carragher was shouting this is what you could have won when Kane scored. Sorry spurs aren't winning anything this year while city prob win the league...........absolute nonsense he was chatting :lol:
 
If this were true then every team in the league would deploy the same tactics Vs City and they would be in the relegation zone if there is nothing special about it as you claim. Seems to me it's a bit more than that.
every team in the league doesn’t have good enough players to deploy such tactics. It works on occasion with clinical finishing and luck going your way, and it is the best way to beat such a dominant possession oriented team.

Do you ever have a clue about what your on about? Prime Dembele was one of the best midfielders in the league, Rose was better than Regulion, Lamela is better than Bergwein. You just make things up to suit your agenda, it’s quite embarrassing.:lol:
rose wasn’t better IMO, lamela is not better either. But regardless, do you believe you have better depth now or before? I can give you Dembele though, just because bentacur hasn’t established himself yet in the league.
 
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Conte is a reactive coach like Mourinho BUT the big difference is that Conte wants to win games while the late Mourinho and coaches of this mould like Benitez etc dont want to lose. This is a big plus for Conte because in this way this type of football can be effective.
Mh, not sure i'd agree to that. Conte *can* be reactive in certain games, but for the most part he isn't. His teams are usually very recognizable for their patterns of play, he's one of the managers with the most automatisms around, and his teams generally want to play on the fron foot. Don't mistake the lack of a constant high press for reactionary tactics. It's one of the reasons why he doesn't really like stars who need more tactical freedom and imo why his teams often struggle in CL, when the level is usually higher - they're predictable
 
If this were true then every team in the league would deploy the same tactics Vs City and they would be in the relegation zone if there is nothing special about it as you claim. Seems to me it's a bit more than that.
Agree. Ole after getting destroyed by Liverpool decided to played 5 at the back, and played counter against Man City earlier this season. Without proper coaching, bodies are meaningless seeing how City played us off the park despite being on their second gear.
 
Mh, not sure i'd agree to that. Conte *can* be reactive in certain games, but for the most part he isn't. His teams are usually very recognizable for their patterns of play, he's one of the managers with the most automatisms around, and his teams generally want to play on the fron foot. Don't mistake the lack of a constant high press for reactionary tactics. It's one of the reasons why he doesn't really like stars who need more tactical freedom and imo why his teams often struggle in CL, when the level is usually higher - they're predictable
Predictability is one of his biggest flaws, yes, but what i want to point out has nothing to do with it. Reactive coach in my definition is every coach who counts mainly on the mistakes of the opposition on and off the ball - his plan is a reaction to what the opposition do. Proactive coaches are the ones with clear plan on how they want their teams to play and take the game to the opposition. Conte is a reactive coach by definition because his teams are not the ones that set the tempo of the games and control the outcome. That doesnt mean that his plan is not clear or that he doesnt want to win these games. On the contrary his system when executed properly is a very effective way of winning.