Depends on what you experience as decent frame rate. Many games, including TW3, are well playable around 40 FPS, which is absolutely feasible with today's cards and hardly any settings turned down.
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Fairly sure the 20 series will have the standard 10-15% performance increase over the last series. Think the most important part is that gpu prices are finally going down.
Congrats on the upgrade, @Mrs Smoker!
Congrats on the upgrade, @Mrs Smoker!
It looks like 35-45%. But at +60% to +100% price tags.
35-45% is quite a big jump in performance. If that is true then people shouldn't call them underwhelming at all.
30-40 fps is console level gaming, one of the main reasons most people game on PC is for the higher frame rates. I'm not too demanding but i would look towards minimum of 60, but i know people who have 144hz monitors and won't play anything lower.
The issue is the price doesn't match up with the performance increase.
Top-end prices are for people willing to splash the cash for the best. We can try and reason why it should be lower, but since they'll sell at that price I doubt they'll go down noticeably.
Previous cards haven't reached this level though, the main issue is Nvidia have no competition and can set these ridiculous prices. Hopefully AMD can step up their game.
I think the dogma of 60 FPS minimum is rather pointless. Apart from first person shooters, the vast majority of games feels nice above 40, and I'm always willing to sacrifice a few FPS for more eyecandy/more pixels. Plus, I have a monitor with adaptive frame rate (Freesync), which makes lower frame rates still rather smooth and tear-free.
For the huge price increase, this is underwhelming. Performance per dollar is actually going down, and that's probably a first.
same here, my 1060 can handle most of the games i play with all the goodies switched on on my cheapo chinese 2560px screen. Will upgrade to 4k when that dies, which it refuses to do stubbornly.
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I'm looking to sell my gaming PC and wanted your advice on what I should be asking for it. The spec is as follows...
i5 4460
8GB RAM
2TB HD
120GB SSD
GTX 970
I don't have much more info at the moment as I'm not at home. What do you think, based on that, I should be roughly be looking for? And any advice on the best place to sell? Cheers
i5 4460
8GB RAM
2TB HD
120GB SSD
GTX 970
I don't have much more info at the moment as I'm not at home. What do you think, based on that, I should be roughly be looking for? And any advice on the best place to sell? Cheers
I think I'm going to get the 38" Ultrawide LG monitor 
This past decade has been pathetic as far as processors are concerned.
Mind you, I haven't bothered to look into the new cards as I bought my desktop in May-June (I think) and I've been very happy with my purchase.
I haven't seen statistics on it, but I'm sure it is. Crypto-mining has taken the prices for gpus up tons and is a big reason for it.
What feels nice or not is rather subjective. Personally I play on 1080p screens and likely won't change until the standard for almost all screens in the 100-250€ is 4k, despite having a decent desktop, I just don't feel like it's a good enough upgrade to warrant the extra cost. Others I know can't stand playing on a 1080p monitor anymore.
Framerate & stability goes over eyecandy for me in Dark Souls and those kinds of games. Hell, all action role-playing games I prefer stability and frames over the extra eyecandy. If I played racing games I assume I'd feel similar for those types of games. In more traditional tb/atbb rpgs I'll have the eyecandy, since the battle-systems there don't depend on the framerate being high in any way.
But for the top prices people will rightly "demand" that the standard for earlier generations should be met, saying the lighting looks better or is processed in a cool way simply isn't an argument that will sit right with potential consumers.
Is there a reason you didn't go for a g-sync monitor? For me it was the cost, which made me go freesync. If it was just slightly cheaper for a couple of g-sync monitors with both display ports for the desktop and hdmi for my switch and ps4 I'd go for it!
The crypto-mining boom has ended and graphics cards prices have gone back to their pre-boom levels. The pricing of Nvidia's Turing generation cards is entirely their own doing, testing how far enthusiasts and diehard Nvidia fans are willing to be milked.
Well, I already had the AMD card, so G-Sync was out of the question.
G-Sync is not only overpriced, but also a closed standard exclusive to Nvidia. Freesync/adaptive sync are VESA standards and open for everyone to adopt and support (Intel has announced support for it years ago, but it has yet to be implemented in their graphics hardware. A representative recently said that they are still going to, though)
So it's in everybody's best interest to support the VESA standards and hope that the day comes where Nvidia isn't making money from G-Sync anymore and changes to the open adaptive sync standard as well.
Would any of you buy a used GPU?
Yeah definitely. They’re built solid these days. Even the ex mining ones are good value as the loads and temperatures will have been consistent.
Interesting. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference currently, in what a used 1080 ti goes for and what one will cost new. Well, the model I'm interested in, anyway.
Normally I wouldn't say it's an issue, but as a gamer I wouldn't touch a miners old gpu out of principle, the only time I would is if the price was ridiculously low. They are lower now but should be a lot lower. The miners have made their bed let them lie in it.
If the new card isn't much more expensive than the used I would go new every time.
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I have been building pc's for probably 20 years or more - I normally upgrade every 4-5 years so I'm due another one in the next 2 years - my pal actually bought a pre-built one recently for the first time and I have to say I was very impressed with the spec and the overall build quality so I'm now considering doing the same in preparation for Cyberpunk.
Same. If it's an extra 60 quid for a brand new one I'd gladly pay.
I've heard a conspiracy theory that Nvidia are holding back the relevant comparisons for the 20 series because they want people to buy the 10 series. Apparently, it is public knowledge that they have an excess of 10 series cards. When you see the amount of comments from people (like myself) talking about skipping the 20 series and just getting a 1080 ti instead, there might be something to it. It would suck if you shelled out for a 1080 ti, only to later discover that the cheaper 2070 beats the piss out of it.
I wouldn't be surprised. The wise move is to wait for the benchmarks to come out which should be in a few days time.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Just a few more days to hang on. 
nvidia wants to sell RTX and it is presented in a way that if you don't have Rxt then you are left behind . the truth is not many implement rtx in their games and gamers don't really care . then nvidia showcases 40% performance step over previous gen. but that's in rtx heavy benchmarks . the conspiracy is that in non rxt games the performance step is only 10-15% while price jumped 40%.
It’s like any new technology though, you’re buying for the future. RTX is not going to go away.
I'm trying to buy a gaming laptop, but there is one thing i don't know...
Thunderbolt 3.
Ive seen a few nice deals, but people says... "nahh, it would be nice if it had thunderbolt 3"
why i need that? what is it!!!
for example this laptop:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834235087
i will be able to connect it via HDMI and play through the led tv right?
Thunderbolt 3.
Ive seen a few nice deals, but people says... "nahh, it would be nice if it had thunderbolt 3"
why i need that? what is it!!!
for example this laptop:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834235087
i will be able to connect it via HDMI and play through the led tv right?
Is there much/any value in faulty GPUs? I've an MSI GTX780 that's just sat in the box since it died on me back in 2016/2017 (can't remember), & I just stumbled on it while moving stuff about. I'll throw it away if it's worthless, but if it's something that's worth even a few quid I'll put it up for sale locally.
I've never once used Thunderbolt. I guess it'd be handy for hooking up 1249714 displays, but besides that? I don't think it's too much of a miss, personally.
I've never once used Thunderbolt. I guess it'd be handy for hooking up 1249714 displays, but besides that? I don't think it's too much of a miss, personally.
THANKS, yeah, ive been reading a little bit about it and probably won't be needing it either.
What's wrong with the GPU? if it's blown up capacitors, someone who knows how to fix might want to give it a go. I've seen used working gtx780 between 100 and 150usd.
edit. "Sorry, you cannot use the word 'thx' in your message. If it is text speak, please write the word or phrase fully." wtf...
THANKS, yeah, ive been reading a little bit about it and probably won't be needing it either.
What's wrong with the GPU? if it's blown up capacitors, someone who knows how to fix might want to give it a go. I've seen used working gtx780 between 100 and 150usd.
edit. "Sorry, you cannot use the word 'thx' in your message. If it is text speak, please write the word or phrase fully." wtf...
It just died when playing Rocket League one night along with my Corsair PSU (feck Corsair). Actually, no. The first one died because of the PSU, and the RMA replacement I got just died on its own while playing Rocket League. Would've gotten another but, but sadly it was out of warranty. I've no idea what's wrong with it.
I did spend half an hour at the time trying different PSUs, a different base PC, etc, but couldn't get it to work with half-hearted attempts. Couldn't be bothered taking it apart to try a delve a bit further, so just replaced it.
It just died when playing Rocket League one night along with my Corsair PSU (feck Corsair). Actually, no. The first one died because of the PSU, and the RMA replacement I got just died on its own while playing Rocket League. Would've gotten another but, but sadly it was out of warranty. I've no idea what's wrong with it.
I did spend half an hour at the time trying different PSUs, a different base PC, etc, but couldn't get it to work with half-hearted attempts. Couldn't be bothered taking it apart to try a delve a bit further, so just replaced it.
Have you checked the electrical set up of your place? how stable is your whole neighbourhood in general? Maybe you have a problem with power spikes?
usually a good PSU will help with that, sometimes sacrificing themselves, just to keep the rest of the hardware alive.
What corsair PSU was? the lower tier (CX, CXM..) are not good enough for top components.
Anyway, what killed your GPU could be just about anything. All you can do as prevention is having a good-top tier PSU from a recommended brand, clean your equipment from dust once in a while and monitor your temperatures.
Was an RM850 or something if I remember right. I swapped it to a Supaflower/Superflowa LedExGold or something in '16 on the recommendation of the OcUK forum. Electric is fine, and the PC has ALWAYS been plugged into a surge protector (which wasn't tripped by the incident that killed the GPU).
I monitor temps when pushing my hardware & clean more regularly than most. Definitely wasn't a case of me cooking it outright.
I wanted to wait for the Thronos, but Acer seem horrible when it comes to getting information out of them, even if it's released "everywhere" but in Norway, so I grew tired (and worried that if they aren't into selling it, they might be bad at support and warranty).
I ended up ordering myself a new desktop (and 2 new monitors, will get a 3rd if I find a proper wall-mount for all 3) that will come during next month.
Monitors: 2x Asus PG279Q
New chair: Secretlabs 2020 Titan, charcoal blue softweave fabric.
PC:
Case: NZXT H700i white
MB: Maximus XI Hero (wifi)
PSU: Corsair HX1000
CPU: i9-9900k
CPU-Cooler: Noctua NH-9S (didn't want to refill fluid, and it supposedly works as well as watercooling while only putting out 22db of sound)
RAM: 64GB (ofc not needed, but the money was a gift specified for my entertainment-room)
GPU: 2080 ti Zotac (Was considering going dual, but it seems pointless)
Storage: 1TB Samsung 970 pro M.2, 2x2TB Samsung 860 evo SSD for a total of 5TB SSD-space.
Looking forward to changing out my setup, even if my current one is just a year old.
Very nice set up brother.
I was like that once, then kids happened. Now I find myself buying for my boy's PC more than mine. Worth it though considering at 10 he almost qualified for the Fortnite WC and his aunt knows one of the guys who just one over a million bucks
There is a 16-year old from Norway who won a lot of money in a (I believe) fortnite competition recently.Very nice set up brother.
I was like that once, then kids happened. Now I find myself buying for my boy's PC more than mine. Worth it though considering at 10 he almost qualified for the Fortnite WC and his aunt knows one of the guys who just one over a million bucks
I assume I'll be spending tons on my boy soon enough.
There is a 16-year old from Norway who won a lot of money in a (I believe) fortnite competition recently.
I assume I'll be spending tons on my boy soon enough.
Yeah you will, and you'll love every moment of it!
(Except when they get better than you
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