Communicado Official: Casemiro #18
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What!? Shaw was bought for what at the time was a lot of money with the aim of tying down the left side with a quality modern full back for years… but, look at TAA, look at Cancelo, Zinchenko, Robertson look at Reece James, Cucarella, Perisic, Chilwell etc… Shaw is light years away from them.
Shaw’s been a nothing signing for Utd and needs replacing.
The players who’ve contributed to Utd winning trophies since SAF left are guys like Zlatan, Pogba, Martial, Matic etc, who were better short time signings than many of you remember because they were allowed to stay too long and given silly contracts by the idiots who run Utd.
Shaw was the best fullback in the league only two years ago, probably why he said relative success.
Liverpool.
He was?
In the world rather, yes. There was no better LB than Shawberto Carlos
Apologies but are you an expert in squad building to state so categorically that starting with a group of young players is fundamentally wrong? Only at United people become fixated with long term plans of 5+ years. Why is it going to take so long when last season Arsenal finished 5th with the youngest squad in the PL after Arteta being in charge after only 2 full seasons? And to cap it off his signings so far this season have all been 25 or younger. Gabriel Jesus 25, Zinchenko 25, Fabio Vieira 22, Marquinhos 19 which had brought the average squad age down even further to 24 years old and I think most people would admit that right now Arsenals project seems a lot more promising than ours.
No, I'm telling you that the claim that a long term plan only exists when you target young players is fundamentally wrong. You don't need to be an expert in team building, it's simple logic.
The visas get sorted in Liverpool
They are rattled so stopping him getting here in time.
They are rattled so stopping him getting here in time.
When I say relative success I mean just that. He hasn't been the signing we all hoped he would be but we have had a few consistent seasons where he played at a very high level which I think is more than most of them. Matic had a very good his first season but it then went quickly downhill but he did become more important in his later years as backup so maybe I was being too harsh on him. Pogba and Martial had their moments but on the whole they've been very disappointing. Zlatan was great for a season but his longevity at United goes against him. My next sentence after saying Shaw was a relative success should of been the pointer in hinting that I don't think he even did that well. Just better than others.
You've stated that for you a long term plan is 5+ years. I've stated that after 2 years Arsenal have the youngest squad in the league at 24 and at the minute are looking very good so where's the logic?
First Arsenal have done nothing short or long term. And secondly the logic is that there is more than one way to do things which is what I already wrote in a previous post, so I won't repeat myself. The notion of long term planning only concerns a timeframe it doesn't concern how you achieve or structure your plan during that timeframe.
I did mention that Bruno was a success his first 18 moths with us and don't think Zlatan was with us long enough to give him a mention.
So how would you classify what Arsenal have done after decimating their whole squad and rebuilding in 2 years the youngest squad in the PL?
Reading through your posts to me you are saying that a long term plan takes 5+ years where first we need to sign short term players 1 or 2 seasons, also mid term players 3 or 4 years and then think about replacing them which to me isn't logical when first we need to knock the whole building down and build new foundations, just like Arsenal have done. What's so illogical about going down that route?
There is nothing to classify or say about Arsenal, so I don't.
And no that's not what I said. I didn't tell you what we need or don't need to do, I told you that any plan that is beyond 4 to 5 years is a long term plan and that this plan doesn't have to be about exclusively signing young players. I also told you that a long term plan includes short and mid term plans, you don't go from year 0 to year 5, you have earlier goals and plans on how to achieve them.
And the lack of logic is when you only consider the validity of a long term plan if it's based around young players.
Gone up one position since we signed him. 19th place now. The Casemiro effect.
Why are you constantly ignoring my points on Arsenal when the evidence is right before your eyes? In 2 years they've decimated their entire squad and have by far the youngest squad in the PL and if managed right could become contenders well before the 5+ years you mentioned as a long term plan. Why do you keep implying that it's illogical in thinking basing a core of youth as a long term plan isn't valid when it's exactly what Arsenal have done?
If everything goes to plan with them they are assembling a team that could play together for the next 7 or 8 years. If that isn't long term I don't know what is.
I'm not ignoring it, it's simply irrelevant and there is nothing to say about it. At no point did I told you that there is only one to plan long term, you are the one doing it. It's bit like claiming that there is only way to go to London and point the finger at a car.
This whole dialogue started when I said a long term plan should be based around youth and your comment to me said I was, "fundamentally wrong." I quoted Arsenal as an example of how it can work and you're still saying it's irrelevant when it obviously isn't.
No the conversation started with me making a general point and you questioning the existence of such plan at United because in your opinion we didn't bring enough young players during the past two seasons(while ignoring that we have a bunch of young and youth players). You then claimed that " For a long term plan to work we need a core base of very good young players. ".
You didn't suggest that it was your favored option, you claimed that it was the unique option. You first used a general point that I made to question United and then made a claim that is not true because it's only one option out of many when you create a long term plan, it can be built around a young core of very good players but it can be built around one or several cores of players with different age ranges. You just need to make sure that you have very good players during the timeframe that you deem long term because the reality of the matter is that you only control players during the length of their contracts which is generally 5 years since FIFA only recognizes as guaranteed the first 5 years of a contract.
Utd trying to dampen the protests? 
Classic Glazer PR stunt.
Arsenal finished 5th and with more points (iirc) the season before Arteta was hired. It's taken them 3 years to get back to where they started. It's not exactly a huge achievement.
We already know that it is possible to take over a PL team, improve them, bring in youth, and rise along the ranks. And we know it's possible, even likely, that it amounts to nothing. Pochettino did just that from 2014-2019.
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Posted similar in another thread but it's completely tone deaf from Richard Arnold (who I'm assuming has made the call here) not just because of the protests but the last time we did this with Varane he had a massively underwhelming season. More Disneyland bollocks and shows that things haven't move on at all from Woodward.
They're trying to sugarcoat the whole thing by signing stars. I'm all for signing Casemiro but transfers like these shouldnt move the attention from the fact the club is in shambles and hopefully protests like the one which will happen today will just go on. This time they shouldn't escape it by throwing star signings at the fans in the hope they'll be like oh great, Glazers are nice, its all good.
Imagine if there will be pitch invasions and in stadium protests, Casemiro will be like where the hell did I come. This is worse than white hankerchiefs.
I'll enjoy seeing Casemiro before kick-off at least. It's a great way to introduce a new signing.
Does anyone know if he can speak English? Quick search on youtube and nothing came up
he’s never responded to any of my emails asking him if he’d like to see a picture of me with my top off. they were all in english, so i’d assume not.
Last time we presented a player on the pitch we won 5-1. Might be a bit PR stunty but if it helps us tonight I’m all for it.
The Glazers are playing 3D chess by unveiling him before kick-off.
Man United Spokesman "The Green and Gold scarfs thrown onto the pitch were in support of our new Brazillian superstar, who was unveiled before kick-off"
Man United Spokesman "The Green and Gold scarfs thrown onto the pitch were in support of our new Brazillian superstar, who was unveiled before kick-off"
They're holding some kind of funeral for him
So it seems Varane is a better DOF than Murtough
It all depends on what you have. If what you already have is largely what you need, you can expect what Tuchel did after taking over Chelsea. If what you have requires some supplementing and adjustment, you can expect what Conte did after taking over Tottenham. If what you have is really not a viable core at all, but something that needs major reconstructive surgery, there probably isn't a way around what Arteta has done after taking over Arsenal. So, the question is what United has. And unfortunately it looks to me like we resemble Arsenal more than the other two in that respect.
first one probably means we won’t be able to register him in time
Both. The first one is saying he won’t play, the second is saying he will be unveiled.
He's in tears at the moment. Presuming he just caught the Brentford game.