https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/07/americas/cocaine-whiskey-colombian-president-intl-hnk/index.html
interesting idea, I wonder what the coke pubs would look like
Colombian president calls for global legalisation of cocaine, calls it ‘no worse than whisky'
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/07/americas/cocaine-whiskey-colombian-president-intl-hnk/index.html
interesting idea, I wonder what the coke pubs would look like
I agree. Don't understand forbidding cocaine while alcohol is being allowed and also, pushing oxi family for benefits that pushed people to fentanyl that causes 100k deaths a year in US alone. And I never used cocaine because I think is a nasty drug to take. So is alcohol
if one is legal both should be I reckon
a lot of the potential harm that comes with cocaine is because it's illegal (not suggesting it isn't harmful)
a lot of the potential harm that comes with cocaine is because it's illegal (not suggesting it isn't harmful)
It’s definitely worse than whiskey.
It’s also dumb as feck to consider it in isolation from alcohol. The two are inextricably intertwined.
It’s also dumb as feck to consider it in isolation from alcohol. The two are inextricably intertwined.
I dunno man, I really can't see a world where I've just sat down for a nice romantic meal and asked whether I would like to see the Cocaine list before ordering my food.
and there goes your appetiteDepends on the person and the quantity
What the feck?
Cocaine makes you go from 0-100 in 6 seconds after a line.
You can moderately drink alcohol. A glass of wine at dinner isn't going to turn you into a pumped up lunatic.
I've never heard or witnessed, "yeah just going to have a chill line of sniff tonight with the wife."
Cocaine makes you go from 0-100 in 6 seconds after a line.
You can moderately drink alcohol. A glass of wine at dinner isn't going to turn you into a pumped up lunatic.
I've never heard or witnessed, "yeah just going to have a chill line of sniff tonight with the wife."
For the average person, it takes more than a glass of whiskey to send you over the edge.
For most people, a small line of coke will change you as a person.
can't have any fun these days
Not really. Most people who drink whiskey drink it at doses that are completely safe. I would say almost nobody who does coke takes it at a safe dose.
Based on what? Most drug harm charts have alcohol as the number 1. If anything, the outrage over a statement like the one we’re talking about shows that people still don’t realise how incredibly harmful alcohol is.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drug
I've never blacked out and pissed on myself/someone's clothes while on cocaine...
pogues comin..
I really need to see that methodology - i don't have an economist subscription anymore.
Does it weigh based on number of consumers %?
Because there is no way in hell Alcohol is worse than crack cocaine or heroin in that regard.
The vast majority of Alcohol drinkers do not have long term health / mental / life problems because of it, because it can be done in very good moderation.
Heroin and crack cocaine on the other hand....
I’m not minimising the harm alcohol does. At a population level it’s definitely harmful. But at an individual level it’s possible to take it in a way that’s completely safe. That might be possible with coke but that’s not how it’s used. The average session involving cocaine is a hell of a lot more likely to be a binge than the average episode of alcohol drinking. Anyway, my main point is it isn’t either/or. You’ll basically only ever find them being used in combination.
Also every single person I know who is a regular coke user has developed alternated behavioural and personality traits. More on edge, more aggressive etc.
Better to outlaw whiskey. It’s absolutely rank.
Have you ever considered the possibilty that things happen in the world that are different to your own personal experience?
I'd be highly sceptical of any study that doesn't take into account that cocaine is illegal and how that manifests itself in number of consumers, type of consumer, and so forth.
A society in which both cocaine and alcohol are legal I would find it extremely hard to believe that alcohol would still be worse.
A society in which both cocaine and alcohol are legal I would find it extremely hard to believe that alcohol would still be worse.
Yep, it also manifests itself as an enabler for alcohol too.
Shit-faced at 11pm but your mates want to carry on the bender? A nice line will sort you right out!
One line of cocaine can cause your coronaries to go into vasospasm and give you a heart attack. One glass of whiskey will not do that. Let’s be real here lads. Cocaine should not be legal in any way or form it is disastrous.
but a bottle might
No, a bottle of whiskey is also not going to do so. In the long term alcohol is quite cardio toxic, in the short term not as much.
On the other hand cocaine can be quite bad in the short term and the long term.
Again, based on what? I think an issue here that people are not considering is that the perception regarding illegal drugs is seriously skewed, as we usually only see the most extreme cases of drug abuse, as those who are in relative control of their use, won't be noticed, as they are using in secret due to the law. While in case of alcohol use, everything is done in public. Hence the perception that it is easier do drink in moderation than it is to use other drugs in moderation.
A person using coke every now and then, won't do so publicly. Those who drink do. The same with other drugs like heroin and so on. Once you enter social circles where the use of drugs like ketamine, coke, heroin and so on is somewhat normalized, you see what I mean. My sister, as an example, works in advertising. The amount of coke that is being used in this industry is stunning. And many of the users will never have to check into rehab. Many of them will just stop using at some point. And some will lose everything because of it. Pretty much like with alcohol.
The irregular and not deadly or completely self destructive use of drugs other than alcohol, tobacco and cannabis is mostly invisible and happens behind closed doors. It completely skews the public perception of the risk involved in certain drugs.
I do however realize that the harm from alcohol partly stems from how normalized it is. That would likely be different if it were treated like other drugs.
But from everything I've read on the topic so far and regarding basically every method to try and rank these drugs I have seen yet, the outcome is usually the same: alcohol is among the worst or the worst.
By the way, I'm really not trying to downplay coke and similar drugs. I don't use them (tried a very small amount of coke once and hated it) and I would never advise to use them. My point is that alcohol really isn't any better and people still don't realize how incredibly harmful it is. And I think people especially don't realize how harmful small amounts of alcohol already can be. The alcohol lobby has worked wonders to try and convince people that regular use of alcohol in moderation won't be harmful, while in reality it is one of the main causes of cancer.
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/oash-alcohol-cancer-risk.pdf
I absolutely have done that.
I'd like a gram of the 15% pure, stepped on 6 times, blend please for £25.
your own clothes i hope!
Blow Nun
To be fair, Cocaine makes me incredibly horny, Alcohol does too but then when you realise you are too drunk there goes your poll tent for the night, however Cocaine... All night long baby
NiceQuantities matter. A have seen much more people and much more fecked up people from alcohol than cocaine. I had involved several times in ambulance events for friends/acquaintances (and random people) for alcohol. Not yet for cocaine.
Is just my personal experience, of course. Also, there are more alcohol consumers than cocaine. Sure. But alcohol is a very nasty drug and it is very dangerous
Cocaine change you as a person, I absolutely agree @AfonsoAlves. It is nasty
It was! For some reason, it's one of those things that doesn't work well with me. Every time has ended in a ridiculous mess. I don't judge others but it's always a 'no' for me these days.
Great post
Some people can and do chill with lines of cocaine and alcohol on a Saturday without going into a frenzy. Not saying it's healthy obviously. Anyways, the war on drugs have clearly not worked, so why not try something else for once. Would rather states take the money and put it into helping those with problem use rather than gangs and cartels.
I spent 20 years of my life dabbling in most illegal drugs, including cocaine, as did almost all my friends. I’m well familiar with the spectrum of use. Once again, I’m not minimising the harm that alcohol does. In fact my argument that cocaine is worse would be heavily influenced by the fact that cocaine makes people drink a lot more alcohol than they would do otherwise. But a glass of whiskey is only rarely accompanied by a line of coke. Hence whiskey is less dangerous overall.
yeah same, and everyone I know has long been over it
I think you kinda have to be after your 30s or it would've fecked your life up by now