College Basketball 12/13

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reelworld said:
I've heard good things about Shabazz Muhammad. How good is he?
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I saw him play in the McDonald's All American game, I thought Poythrees (Kentucky) was a little better on the day, but there's no doubt Shabazz has the skills, he was MVP of the game and led all scorers with 21.

Great to hear he's ineligible, IU may have to play UCLA, they're both in a 4 team tournament in the new Barclay's center in a week or so, if each win their first game they'll face each other.
 
Ah, I'm also an Ohio State fan, born in Columbus, so I have to throw some hate out for you both. But that rivalry is mostly in football, we still hate Tim Biakabutuka.
 
The Spartans and the Hoosiers are the traditional "bigger" basketball schools in the the Big Ten. We are both football schools. Though any chance to get one over the dirty buckeyes is a good day.

We are ranked 4 and 5 respectively in both the AP rankings and USA today polls. This is the most talented bunch of kids that Beilein's has had and should be a good season for us. Should be two good games between us. I have marked Jan 13th and Feb 5th on my calendar. :)
 
Michigan gave IU a lot of trouble last season, those will be some fantastic games between them Feb 2nd and March 10th.

I only really followed OSU when I was living in Columbus, but Matta is a fantastic recruiter so I'm sure he'll have another fantastic set of players coming in this year. I enjoyed watching Evan Turner for OSU, those were some very good teams when he was there.
 
That team with Turner and Oden was really good. It was just unfortunate they run into arguably the best Gators team ever. The Gator team with Horford, Noah, Humphrey and co was awesome. Annoying -any team with Noah is - but awesome.

Reminds me of Greg Oden, I am sure the Blazers are still kicking themselves for picking him over Durant. It was always a no brainier to me but the Blazers management thought otherwise and the rest is history.
 
We won the least "upsetiest" upset. Despite being ranked below Kentucky, Duke was expected to win. Very mature play by the seniors. So, that's knocking off one of the top 5 in the country in November. Now we get to play (potentially) #s 2 and 4 before December.
 
Sir Matt said:
What's going on in this thread?

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As long as there aren't any UNC fans I'll be happy, but we don't much like Duke around these part either.

Thought I do love your student section's ability to put pressure on the opposition team, I'm all for IU moving the student section to courtside and getting them to steal some of the Dukies techniques.

Though, of course, we already have one of the loudest stadiums in the country.
 
JustAFan said:
Syracuse is the closest major college basketball team to me. Don't worry too much about the rankings since the tournement effectively renders them pointless anyways.
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Sure, winning your division is much better than having a particular ranking, but all that really matters is getting as deep in the tournament as possible. For me, getting to the final four is as good as winning your league.
 
Forevergiggs said:
That team with Turner and Oden was really good. It was just unfortunate they run into arguably the best Gators team ever. The Gator team with Horford, Noah, Humphrey and co was awesome. Annoying -any team with Noah is - but awesome.

Reminds me of Greg Oden, I am sure the Blazers are still kicking themselves for picking him over Durant. It was always a no brainier to me but the Blazers management thought otherwise and the rest is history.
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I think if the draft happened tomorrow that Durant would be rated as number 1, as the focus in the league is much more on wing play. Back then the focus was still so much on centers that there wasn't all that much debate on taking Oden.

He certainly would have been a pretty good player, though not as good as Durant of course. I don't think there was any reason to predict he'd have the trouble he did.

That Gators team made OSU look bad, Noah and Horford looked fantastic, obviously high level NBA players in the making. I hadn't really been convinced by Noah up to that point, with him being so scrawny, but watching him put Oden in his pocket it was clear he more than makes up for it with tenacity and savvy.
 
gooDevil said:
Sure, winning your division is much better than having a particular ranking, but all that really matters is getting as deep in the tournament as possible. For me, getting to the final four is as good as winning your league.
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I would say getting to the final four is a much bigger achievement than winning the division tournament. I would trade of any big ten tournament wins with a final four appearance.

gooDevil said:
I think if the draft happened tomorrow that Durant would be rated as number 1, as the focus in the league is much more on wing play. Back then the focus was still so much on centers that there wasn't all that much debate on taking Oden.

He certainly would have been a pretty good player, though not as good as Durant of course. I don't think there was any reason to predict he'd have the trouble he did.

That Gators team made OSU look bad, Noah and Horford looked fantastic, obviously high level NBA players in the making. I hadn't really been convinced by Noah up to that point, with him being so scrawny, but watching him put Oden in his pocket it was clear he more than makes up for it with tenacity and savvy.
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Durant was a better player. He was lighting it up for Texas, he scoring was out of the charts for them. There were also major injury concerns with Oden, as it proved. He was a dominant center at college level but was anyways going to be found out at the pro-level where the size and speed are much bigger and faster respectively. Like you mentioned, an NBA level center in Noah totally dominated him in the tournament finals.
 
There is something very annoying with everything related to Duke Basketball, including their fans. :p
 
They get all the calls. Though i'm sure their fans would deny it. They have possibly the best reputation in college basketball for quality clean basketball, the refs love them.
 
Forevergiggs said:
I would say getting to the final four is a much bigger achievement than winning the division tournament. I would trade of any big ten tournament wins with a final four appearance.
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At least with a league title you actually have something at the end of the year, teams should not hang banners for a final four appearance, imho. The FF would probably be better for recruiting, though.

Durant was a better player. He was lighting it up for Texas, he scoring was out of the charts for them. There were also major injury concerns with Oden, as it proved. He was a dominant center at college level but was anyways going to be found out at the pro-level where the size and speed are much bigger and faster respectively. Like you mentioned, an NBA level center in Noah totally dominated him in the tournament finals.
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I'm always wary of a player that's in love with his jump shot, from the bit I saw of him at Texas I had no idea he would turn into possibly the best jump shooter around. And while Texas was good they didn't do much in the tournament as I recall. Happy to be wrong though, he's fun to watch and his team is great at winning now.
 
There were 3 times as many polls last season, I'm guessing many haven't started yet...or the guy's getting lazy. But I think Kenpom was listed last season.

http://kenpom.com/

He has IU as #1, so obviously he knows his stuff.

Data through games of Sunday, November 18

1 Indiana
2 Kentucky
3 Florida
4 Louisville
5 Syracuse
6 Ohio St.
7 Michigan
8 Wisconsin
9 Michigan St.
10 Gonzaga
 
That was a heart wrenching game against Georgetown, I think they made their first 5 three pointers, and were over 60% from deep for most of the game. We blew a couple of late leads last season, most notably Nebraska, it was nice to see us rebound from the GT comeback by dominating in overtime.
 
Nice box score for Indiana's starters:

Zeller 17 pts, 4-11 fg, 8 re's
Hulls 17 pts, 5-8 fg, 3-6 from 3, 4 steals
Ferrell 14 pts, 9-11 ft, 4 ast
Oladipo 12 pts, 4-5 fg
Watford 10 pts, 3-4 from 3, 10 re's
 
I just noticed this but you support Buckeye football and Hoosier basketball, goodevil? Hmm...the best of th Big 10. Why do I find that wrong? :p
 
I don't understand basketball. I play NBA2k13 for the Atlanta Hawks and I do well at point guard. I'd love to get into it properly but I tried watching it and while I get the premise and some basic tactics, I don't understand all the abbreviations they use, and what the actual different positions do and what all the stats they bring up constantly mean. When the commentators talk it's like gibberish to me.

'Well X at PG scored 48 with 3 FTs out of 5 FTAs and 1 ST but no boards with 6 ASTs before being subbed on at SG but then his FG% and RM fell sharply even though his FGA rose.'

Okay I do understand that, just about because I just researched it, and I just made that all up but you get the gist. It's confusing when you get it all barrelled at you as a newbie.

Also how do the league standings work? I don't get this decimal point system. 0.234 score or whatever in the league tables.
 
Zarlak said:
I don't understand basketball. I play NBA2k13 for the Atlanta Hawks and I do well at point guard. I'd love to get into it properly but I tried watching it and while I get the premise and some basic tactics, I don't understand all the abbreviations they use, and what the actual different positions do and what all the stats they bring up constantly mean. When the commentators talk it's like gibberish to me.

'Well X at PG scored 48 with 3 FTs out of 5 FTAs and 1 ST but no boards with 6 ASTs before being subbed on at SG but then his FG% and RM fell sharply even though his FGA rose.'

Okay I do understand that, just about because I just researched it, and I just made that all up but you get the gist. It's confusing when you get it all barrelled at you as a newbie.

Also how do the league standings work? I don't get this decimal point system. 0.234 score or whatever in the league tables.
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The league standings are simple, just wins and losses. The decimal points are winning percentage. So if your team has 13 wins and 9 losses, your winning percentage is 13/22 or .591.

These are the positions.

1 - Point Guard - Responsible for bringing the ball up the court and running the offense. It's their job to distribute the ball and set up other players (like Xavi or Scholes)

2 - Shooting Guard - Often the main scorer, Bryant, Wade, and Pierce are good examples.

3 - Small Forward - This player is a wing, some teams will use a three guard lineup. The normal setup is 3 forwards, 2 guards but when teams switch to a three guard lineup the third guard will play here. Durant and James are small forwards. Big enough to play down low (in the paint) and quick enough to succeed on the perimeter.

4 - Power Forward - Along with the center, these guys are the biggest players on the team. The power forward isn't as tall as the center but is usually very strong and does a lot of rebounding and scoring.

5 - Center - Tallest player, responsible for rebounding and post defense. Some great centers will also be prolific scorers (like Shaq) but there are also a lot of guys who are there for their defense. It isn't uncommon to see power forwards capable of outside shooting (Kevin Love, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki) but you will almost never see that in a center.
 
Ah right. Fair enough. That decimal system seems silly. Someone has to work that out, for seemingly no reason. Why is a pass from point guard in his own half to whatever position is standing at the by line considered bad? My team members regularly get 3 from there. I pass it immediately when it's handed to me, get marked down for bad pass, he bags a 3 and I get an assist.
 
Well the schedule is 82 games and each team won't always have the same number of games at each time. There will be off nights. In football, you'd say "Team X has a 4 point lead over Team Y but Team Y has 2 games in hand". Here you would look at the winning percentage.

So if team X is 38-33 and team Y is 36-30 it can be confusing. You just look at Winning Percentage for Team X as .535 and for Team Y as .546 and you know that Team Y is ahead in the standings despite having fewer wins so far.

I'm not really familiar with the game you are using. I assume it is a Be A Pro type thing. If you are regularly passing in your own half and succeeding, that's pretty unrealistic. When you watch games you'll see that the point guard almost always dribbles the ball past the half way line to the top of the three point line (the arc). Then he starts running the offense. Whether that is a designed play or a simple pass or him dribbling past his man, drawing other defenders onto him and then passing it to a open team mate.
 
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