Cold War against China?

As far as I can tell, Western naval experts on Twitter don't seem too worried about the danger of naval drones. They seem to assess that Western navies are well-equipped and trained for taking out naval drones.

Hopefully we never get to test it. A war US vs China would be terrifying
 
That China is catching up in every aspect (economy, military, technology) is not new. But in case of Navy, with the new drone technology, I don't know how useful or at least how exposed boats are. We might see billions of dollars exploding with hundreds of people in it by a few hundreds thousands unmanned toys
I don’t think they are catching up.
They have a huge demographic issue that cannot be solved.
 
I don’t think they are catching up.
They have a huge demographic issue that cannot be solved.

We discussed that before @Cal? . I exposed some facts on the semi conductors and i am still waiting for you answer
 
But thats the thing, china is closing the gap on the chips. I am not saying it, articles saying it.

China was mass producing 14nm in 2022, 7nm in september 2023 and seems is currently starting mass producing the 5nm at a substancially higher cost but nevertheless,

https://www.ft.com/content/b5e0dba3-689f-4d0e-88f6-673ff4452977

just 1 level below that the mass produced 3nm from TSMC and Samsung that started mass producing 1 year and a half in Samsung and 1 year in TSMC. the 14nm was mass produced by

Mass production

14nm TSMC 2014 SMIC 2022
10nm TSCM 2017 SMIC skipped
7nm TSCM 2018 SMIC September 2023
5nm TSCM 2020 SMIC February 2024 (substantially more expensive)
3nm TSCM 2022 SMIC on the works year ???
2nm TSCM delayed to 2026

I understand that the closer they get the more difficult it gets but I call that closing the gap. At this pace, they will surpass US/Korea/Taiwan chips technology before the decade ends

On the weapons I definitely have 0 idea and read nothing about it so I'll take your word you might be right
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...smic?srnd=premium-asia&embedded-checkout=true

https://techhq.com/2024/01/huawei-a...eft the US,rather than a Chinese manufacturer.

Make of that what you want
 

This are from january 4, my articles were from february, maybe march

So yeah, ill take later news

Despite, aby of these news doesnt align with your comment that china still 20 years away
 
This are from january 4, my articles were from february, maybe march

So yeah, ill take later news

Despite, aby of these news doesnt align with your comment that china still 20 years away
China are far away from catching up, multiple bottlenecks exists as I mentioned before.

A key issue is that whilst they can manufacture some relatively advanced chips with modifying their existing DUV machines (at lower yield), they won't be getting their hands on any EUV any time soon.
 
China are far away from catching up, multiple bottlenecks exists as I mentioned before.

A key issue is that whilst they can manufacture some relatively advanced chips with modifying their existing DUV machines (at lower yield), they won't be getting their hands on any EUV any time soon.

Not 20 years as you said, nor 10 years. In less than 5 years they will be there
 
Not 20 years as you said, nor 10 years. In less than 5 years they will be there
You think they are about to manufacture EUV themselves in a few years? Considering they can't even make DUV?

Add the fact that Japan (so friendly with China) has a near total dominance of quite a few key materials in making the most advanced chips.
 
You think they are about to manufacture EUV themselves in a few years? Considering they can't even make DUV?

Add the fact that Japan (so friendly with China) has a near total dominance of quite a few key materials in making the most advanced chips.

Man, i know shit about the industry and im learning a lot thanks to this discussion. So thanks for that

Everywhere i read it says that china is manufacturing DUV chips already (realated to the 7 nm articles i posted) and they are investing on your mentioned EUV. How many years might take? Industrial spionage is a thing and china is quite well known to advance rapidly in many fields. That is why the US is closing the doors to china, they know they are close.

How close? Wont happen tomorrow or next year or the next, but saying that will take them 20 years at least is insane. If we compare technological level from china 2004 vs 2024, the leap is ridiculous
 
Man, i know shit about the industry and im learning a lot thanks to this discussion. So thanks for that

Everywhere i read it says that china is manufacturing DUV chips already (realated to the 7 nm articles i posted) and they are investing on your mentioned EUV. How many years might take? Industrial spionage is a thing and china is quite well known to advance rapidly in many fields. That is why the US is closing the doors to china, they know they are close.

How close? Wont happen tomorrow or next year or the next, but saying that will take them 20 years at least is insane. If we compare technological level from china 2004 vs 2024, the leap is ridiculous
China is manufacturing 7nm chips using their existing DUV purchased before the ban, they're nowhere close to making those themsevles, never mind the more advanced EUV.

Add to that the fact there are many more chokepoints with material from Japan, etc, I just don't see them being able to catch up in the foreseeable future.

2004 v 2024, most of that period were when China got on with the west and didn't have to operate under a ban, I just don't see them making the same progress in the coming 20 years.

Also I'm not saying they won't be able to make 2 nm eventually, but I just don't see them catching up to whatever the US, Japan, Taiwan will be making by then.
 


Well, well, well.

It takes really something when actual fascists start spying for communists (in name only, but still) just because they hate democracy. I don't think even Tom Clancy could have imagined such a twist, not even in some of his novels in the 1990s.
 
So you're telling that one time a chinese girl flirted with me was just because I live next to the lisbon naval base? Disappointing.
 
It has also witnessed a remarkable number of weddings in recent years between Chinese students and the seamen who work at its naval bases.

How many weddings makes it remarkable? 2? 20?
 
So you're telling that one time a chinese girl flirted with me was just because I live next to the lisbon naval base? Disappointing.

And that is why she was only flirting. She quickly found out that you were not worth the time
 


China has been lying about their military expenses as the real number is closer to matching US expenses. Why do you think they're doing that if they don't have any hostile ambitions?

Because you don't put on a condom unless you're gonna feck!
 


China has been lying about their military expenses as the real number is closer to matching US expenses. Why do you think they're doing that if they don't have any hostile ambitions?

Because you don't put on a condom unless you're gonna feck!


US had been militarily fecking the world without a condom for the last 70 years. China not so much
 
US had been militarily fecking the world without a condom for the last 70 years. China not so much

Pretty rich to say when China fecked over what should have been the rightful unification of Korea by poking their noses where they had no international mandate, annexed Tibet by force, created famines that killed up to 55 million lives, purged so many people that we might count millions depending on sources, rolled in tanks and shot civilians on sight in 1989, festered several territorial disputes with everybody around, crushed the special status of Hong Kong, lied shamelessly to the world about COVID, and are now fecking Africa over by stealing their natural resources through debt traps. Of course, the US will always be worse for you than anything that nation of sick fecks, cheats and thieves has ever done.
 
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Pretty rich to say when China fecked over what should have been the rightful unification of Korea by poking their noses where they had no international mandate, annexed Tibet by force, created famines that killed up to 55 million lives, purged so many people that we might count millions depending on sources, rolled in tanks and shot civilians on sight in 1989, festered several territorial disputes with everybody around, crushed the special status of Hong Kong, lied shamelessly to the world about COVID, and are now fecking Africa over by stealing their natural resources through debt traps. Of course, the US will always be worse for you than anything that nation of sick fecks and thieves has ever done.

Thats a tiny dot in comparison on what the US had done.

Specially when we count out its borders, where shouldnt be its business
 
is a disgusting recurrent behaviour oppresing a powerless country. If the US wants to make an ally of phillipines against China (aka taiwan) they should step up on patrolling certain areas. Is not US responsibility but would strengthen the alliance for the PH bases
 
“We see China and Russia, for the first time, exercising together in relation to Taiwan and recognizing that this is a place where China definitely wants Russia to be working with them, and we see no reason why they wouldn’t,” Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said Thursday in testimony to Congress.


 
It's nothing ingenious.

99% of all these hacking problems is some fecking administrator who really shouldn't be in a position of maintaining or being an admin of an IT system being phished with a bullshit email and falling for it.

what's more worrying however is the lack of 2FA across many state level systems.
 
This is not so surprisingly whatever -

Last time I was in China I had 5 people follow me wherever I went, totally unsubtely too :lol:
 
This is not so surprisingly whatever -

Last time I was in China I had 5 people follow me wherever I went, totally unsubtely too :lol:

Yep. :lol:

I think Selina Wang easily spotted a few of them too when she did a few reports for CNN in China a few years back.
 
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Yep. :lol:

I think Selina Wang easily spotted a few of them too when she did a few reports for CNN in China a few years back.

The funniest part was they were the most un-intimidating bunch of people you could send.

I've been in many situations where we had to get escorted, though most of the time they let us know in advance, especially on official work related matters, as that's pretty part of the standard when travelling on a diplomatic passport as part of an attache.
The guys usually were suits, with earpieces in, very smart, very professional and on some occasions they were armed.

I actually didn't go to China on a work related trip, so when I applied for my Visa, I had to declare that I was an active service member at the time, and that I also had a diplomatic passport, hence why they sent people to follow me around everywhere. It was super annoying actually, I had to check in to the Police station everywhere I went and even simple things like getting a train ticket were nonsensically painful and long winded.

Anyways, the 5 people they got were all these unimposing middle aged men and women, the mens average height was about 1.70m, none of them showed any signs of military service, security training or police behaviours. One of the women was bordering on obese, one of the guys looked genuinely malnourished and one of the guys was also on the podgy side. All they did was follow me about 10-15 meters back everytime and they were just on their phones the entire time. Everytime I left the hotel and if I hopped in the Taxi a few of them would get into a taxi of their own and follow me whilst the rest would wait for me back at the hotel lobby. In my entire two week stay in Beijing, they didnt say Hi or greet me or interact with me in any way, they just basically followed me. I don't know how accurate this claim is, but it genuinely looked like to me the Chinese government just paid some random locals to follow me around in Beijing :lol:
 
One activist, Tenzin Yangzom, a campaign coordinator for the International Tibet Network, criticized Hungary’s government for “allowing the Chinese police to be operating on Hungarian streets.”

“This is not China, is it? This is Hungary, it’s a free country, you have freedom of speech,” she said.