Would be a pointless move. We've got plenty of both quality and quantity at LB. We need a RB.
Coentrao plots Man Utd move
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He is capable of attacking unlike our other options at left back. However now that we've invested in Shaw we may as well give him the platform to develop. Right back has to be the priority.
How good is he as a holding midfielder? Could he do a Schweinsteiger/Lahm?
No.
Why not? With Carrick aging and Blind as our back up #6 and LB we are going to be in a bind every time one of Carrick or Shaw is injured.
seems a legit move. It's not like we've spent £30m on a young left back or anything like that.
Bring him in for £15m on 60k a week I say
Bring him in for £15m on 60k a week I say
Let us look back at 2005-2006 season when we signed Evra. We already had established player in Heinze (player of the year previously?) and also Silvestre and O'Shea who could have played there. I guess you guys would be against signing Evra back then. But at the end it turned out fantastically well for us.
The point is, when the deal for player of Coentrao quality is possible within reasonable boundaries...you do not look at covers which are good enough. You instantly improve the squad. That's how you move forward. That is how Fergie did it. The worst possible approach now would be to become complacent.
The point is, when the deal for player of Coentrao quality is possible within reasonable boundaries...you do not look at covers which are good enough. You instantly improve the squad. That's how you move forward. That is how Fergie did it. The worst possible approach now would be to become complacent.
He's injured far too much. For Madrid, he'd be sitting happily on the bench for weeks, but would then get injured almost immediately when he was needed, like when Marcelo was injured, or suspended. The pattern seemed strong enough that I was never quite sure if it was a sign that he didn't train much unless he was expecting to start or if it was a psychological thing.
Anyway, backups who aren't available when you need them aren't actually backups and I can't imagine his injury record improving at United.
No transfer fee and a reasonable wage? Then, maybe he'd be worth a gamble, but what's the chances of that?
Anyway, backups who aren't available when you need them aren't actually backups and I can't imagine his injury record improving at United.
No transfer fee and a reasonable wage? Then, maybe he'd be worth a gamble, but what's the chances of that?
He has averaged 24 games per season in the 4 seasons (just under) that he has been at Madrid. His best form came in his first two seasons. Since then, he hasn't played all too much. Would be a pointless signing and I've always found him extremely overrated.
According to a FIFA agent, Gaya's transfer to Real Madrid will be announced next week. If true, I guess that's it for Coentrao then.
Wouldn't be a bad signing for around £5-7m. Shaw has had quite a few injuries this season and if we get CL football next season, we need someone a bit more experienced for those games. Can't really start playing Young or Blind at LB if we've not got decent enough cover to swap their positions.
Real getting their transfers done for summer really early by the looks of things.
Real getting their transfers done for summer really early by the looks of things.
who is Gaya?
He's really good. When he plays.
I would not buy him,He is a good left back, specially defending however he has an attitude and sloth problem . It would cost no less than 15/18 million €. If I were Manchester, I´d spend on other position, probably more necessary
This. We're weak at left back. Shaw has been a huge disappointment and Rojo and Blind can merely fill in there and play better at centre back and defensive midfield respectively.
He would absolutely walk into our first team.
Young Spanish lb from valencia
I wouldn't say Shaw's been a huge disappointment. The fee is a long term investment as much as anything else. He is still only 20, and defensively he's been excellent when fit. The only advantage i can see to this deal is to provide us with more going forward, since Shaw doesn't really excel there, but if Coentrao is barely fit anyway then it might not be such a good idea.
On crutches?
Shaw's been a huge disappointment? 
I've been impressed by Shaw.....the only issue has been niggling injuries
the only stand out mistake for me was the penalty he gave away v Everton
I wonder how well he will link up on the left with Young/Fellaini/Carrick in those nice little triangles - Spurs and Liverpool couldn't get the ball off us for long periods and Blind looked good (apart from a wee bit of sloppiness second half vrs Scousers)
the only stand out mistake for me was the penalty he gave away v Everton
I wonder how well he will link up on the left with Young/Fellaini/Carrick in those nice little triangles - Spurs and Liverpool couldn't get the ball off us for long periods and Blind looked good (apart from a wee bit of sloppiness second half vrs Scousers)
Shaw's been a huge disappointment?
Whenever Shaw has the ball he's always looking for a nice safe backpass before making a darting run forward that everyone on the pitch knows to ignore. It's like he's nervous on the ball so would rather not feck up than try to do something, anything, with it. When the ball comes to him at the byline and there isn't an open pass to anyone else, he visually hesitates before resigning himself to his fate and half heartedly tries to create some space to hoof a (usually poor) ball into the area.
£30m for that is an absolute joke. If you think of all the widely recognised excellent right and left backs in world football and their performances while in their late teens and early 20's, they weren't like that at all.
Shaw may only be 20, but if you compare him to other top right and left wing backs when they were 20 and Shaw can't get near them.
I'd disagree if I'm honest. Being only 20 and in his first season here, which is obviously a massive step up, he's not made any feck ups, and looks very promising. To me anyway. Certainly not a massive disappointment by any stretch.
Let's have a whole team of left backs
I agree that to call him a massive disappointment is way over the top. We paid for the potential which hopefully he may live up to in a few years time. He's certainly made feck ups though for instance being red carded in one instance and giving away an unnecessary penalty in another, as well as being caught napping on a few occasions. He's only 20 and had a tough season with injuries so no reason to be too worried but he needs to have a good injury free season next year where he will hopefully make massive strides in his performances, particularly going forward.
If not too expensive I would gladly accept that player no matter of his 'Rod Stewart' haircut. His experience is already comparable to Evra's. He could be useful in a rotation system and that already would minimize the injury streak risk at some point both for Coentrao and Shaw.
You're off your head.
At his age, taking a massive step up that he as, relocating his family, battling with injuries, etc... he's done every bit as good as I'd have hoped. With a good solid run in the side and a bit more maturity (which he will undoubtedly gain at our club), he's going to make you look bloody daft.
I'm absolutely delighted we signed him, as I'd imagine most sane United fans are.
Yeah I am. I like him a lot.
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
Shaw was excellent for Southampton as an 18 year old kid, and can comfortably compare with those names you mention. In the case of Clyne, it's just laughable you'd even suggest he isn't at his level to be quite honest. Whether or not he'll end up ''world class'' will remain to be seen, but even if he didn't improve at all (which he will) I'd still have him as our first choice left back for the next ten years.
Shaw isn't poor...not by a long shot, and you basing your argument off the assumption that we are all in agreement of him currently being so, is a bit daft.
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
I'm not sure if you're actually serious or not, but Coleman was playing in the Irish league at 20, and Clyne and Baines were playing in the Championship at 20.
Saying Shaw is worse than Baines, Clyne and Coleman were at 20?! Absolutely ludicrous. Shaw is a very good prospect who seems to be beaten with the stick that is his price tag. Hopefully he get himself consistently fit to stop some of lunacy about him.
Anyway, Coentrao would be a versatile option and useful squad member but I'm not sure we'd be sniffing around him.
Anyway, Coentrao would be a versatile option and useful squad member but I'm not sure we'd be sniffing around him.
I stopped replying, i thought he was wumming. It turns out he might be serious.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
Having Coentrao means that Blind and Rojo can play elsewhere. Plus he can play on the wing in a pinch.
Might be nothing to it though.
Might be nothing to it though.
This would have been a fantastic signing 3 years ago. Now im not so sure. The only thing im sure of is that his time at Madrid is up.
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
Seamus Coleman at 20: Played in the Irish league, hadn't even played in the PL before he turned 21All ignoring the point that at NONE of the top left backs in world football in the last decade were as poor at 20 as Shaw is.
Even compare him to Ashley Cole at 20, Leighton Baines at 20, Nathaniel Clyne at 20, Seamus Coleman at 20, and Shaw can't hold a candle to any of them.
I have no idea why everyone seems to think he's suddenly going to get a lot better from now on when all the other players who reached the required standard were much better than him at his age?
Nathaniel Clyne at 20: Played in the Championship
Leighton Baines at 20: Played for Wigan, PL newcomers at the time
Ashley Cole at 20: Had just made a breakthrough following injury to a first team player in his position
And the best part is, Shaw isn't even 20 years old yet and has already played almost 2 seasons worth of games in the PL putting in solid performances both for Southampton and us. So Shaw being unable to "hold a candle to any of them" is bullshit.
I understood where you're going with this but you also need to recall that Heinze had crocked his knee in September, Silvestre was starting in central defense that season, and O'Shea was terrible and in-and-out of the starting XI at LB (with Richardson in there at times). The club needed cover at LB considering the above. O'Shea eventually settled in at CM, Brown forced Silvestre out to LB, and Evra flopped initially. Thankfully, both he and Vidic acclimated by the following season and formed half of a great back four.
But quality squad depth is always a great thing to have.